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Old 07-24-2013, 04:56 PM   #2651
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Derrick Johnson is a great MLB, but wouldn't want anything to do with Tamba Hali at his salary. I think he got into about as many scrums with the opposing team as he got sacks.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:03 PM   #2652
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Derrick Johnson is a great MLB, but wouldn't want anything to do with Tamba Hali at his salary. I think he got into about as many scrums with the opposing team as he got sacks.
It's amazing how much better he got in the 3-4. I think he was pretty bad in a 4-3 for a top 15 pick.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:08 PM   #2653
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QB: Our Qb is more consistent, and has an added element because he can move, peyton canít. Chiefs.
RB: Our running game is one of the best. Jamaal, Kniles, and even Gray and Draughn. The Broncos are smallish and clock consumers, not those that canít carry a drive. Chiefs.
WR: Their receivers are bigger than ours, but we have more depth at the position, allowing us to afford an injury. After Decker and Thomas, its weak. Slight Broncos.
TE: Our TEís can pass block, run block, and catch. Their TEís are about average. Kelce and Moeaki are younger than Dreesen and Tamme, and are more versatile. Slight Chiefs.
OL: Our line doesnít get pub, but Asaomah and Albert hold it down, and the others continue to rise every year. Denverís line is overrated and older than what everyone thinks. Chiefs.
DL: Again, an underrated group. Jackson gets better every year, and they got Devito, who is very good at stopping the run. Weíre waiting to see Denverís. Slight Chiefs.
LB: Say what you want about Von Miller. You wonít hear much now that Elvis is gone. Hali and Houston are the best pass rushing duo in the league, and they can cover. Elvis is a one-trick pony, just ask Pitta. Chiefs
Secondary: Bailey what? Yeah, when the Bronco pass rush did nothing, the secondary was exposed. Its not very good. Ask Flacco and Torrey. KCís secondary held up even when the pass rush didnít, or played so well we got a sack. Our entire defense is underrated. Chiefs.
Special Teams: Tie. Both have excellent units, and both can take kicks or punts for scores.
Coaching: If you watched last yearís divisional round, you know its Reid who gets the nod here. Fox was too conservative and it cost them, it wasnít like the Ravens D was playing that well, Fox got scared into a failure on his own turf.
Chiefs Win 9-2.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:20 PM   #2654
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Chiefs held the Broncos to 17 points at Arrowhead would have beaten them if they had a QB that was worth a ****.
Shoulda, woulda , coulda... Kinda like your life.


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Old 07-24-2013, 05:25 PM   #2655
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QB: Our Qb is more consistent, and has an added element because he can move, peyton canít. Chiefs.
RB: Our running game is one of the best. Jamaal, Kniles, and even Gray and Draughn. The Broncos are smallish and clock consumers, not those that canít carry a drive. Chiefs.
WR: Their receivers are bigger than ours, but we have more depth at the position, allowing us to afford an injury. After Decker and Thomas, its weak. Slight Broncos.
TE: Our TEís can pass block, run block, and catch. Their TEís are about average. Kelce and Moeaki are younger than Dreesen and Tamme, and are more versatile. Slight Chiefs.
OL: Our line doesnít get pub, but Asaomah and Albert hold it down, and the others continue to rise every year. Denverís line is overrated and older than what everyone thinks. Chiefs.
DL: Again, an underrated group. Jackson gets better every year, and they got Devito, who is very good at stopping the run. Weíre waiting to see Denverís. Slight Chiefs.
LB: Say what you want about Von Miller. You wonít hear much now that Elvis is gone. Hali and Houston are the best pass rushing duo in the league, and they can cover. Elvis is a one-trick pony, just ask Pitta. Chiefs
Secondary: Bailey what? Yeah, when the Bronco pass rush did nothing, the secondary was exposed. Its not very good. Ask Flacco and Torrey. KCís secondary held up even when the pass rush didnít, or played so well we got a sack. Our entire defense is underrated. Chiefs.
Special Teams: Tie. Both have excellent units, and both can take kicks or punts for scores.
Coaching: If you watched last yearís divisional round, you know its Reid who gets the nod here. Fox was too conservative and it cost them, it wasnít like the Ravens D was playing that well, Fox got scared into a failure on his own turf.
Chiefs Win 9-2.
I'd love for him to elaborate on the Alex Smith is better than Peyton theory!

I was just reading his blog, and he writes about Peyton being a BUST. Yes, Peyton Manning is a BUST because he's a number 1 overall that hasn't done enough in his career (?)...according to him. Putting aside the fact that the Chiefs also have a former overall number one pick thats done FAR LESS than PM, I wonder what he thinks of JaMarcus Russell?

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Old 07-24-2013, 05:45 PM   #2656
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I'd love for him to elaborate on the Alex Smith is better than Peyton theory!
As has been pointed out earlier, Peyton's head is about to fall off

Some Chief fan heard that from a stranger at an airport so you know its legit
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:55 PM   #2657
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As has been pointed out earlier, Peyton's head is about to fall off

Some Chief fan heard that from a stranger at an airport so you know its legit
Come on it just wasn't a stranger it was a "well dressed" stranger. That means he was either a doctor or a lawyer. Any other profession you would have holes in your clothes.
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Every preseason the KC yokels like KCStudabaker come out of their Winnebagos and double-wides to tell us how awesome the Chiefs are going to be. Then the regular season starts and their woes begin. Such is life.
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Old 07-24-2013, 07:30 PM   #2659
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Old 07-24-2013, 07:34 PM   #2660
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All that's missing is the Cantina Band in the background from the Star Wars bar scene.

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Old 07-24-2013, 07:36 PM   #2661
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My favorite part is the totally unamused old guy in the back.
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Old 07-24-2013, 07:38 PM   #2662
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Not saying the Chiefs are better in most categories. I'm saying that the Broncos are not easily better in the other position groups.

The one position group that the Chiefs are better than the Broncos at without question is LB. 3 of our 4 LB's are multiple year pro bowlers (soon to be multiple year probowlers in Houston's case).

Von is a great player, but he's just one guy. Easily take us as a whole.

IDK Miller and Woodyard are at least equal to DJ, Houston, AND Hali

Houston and Hali disappear vs the run DJ disappears vs the pass

Miller's stats are double Houston's and Hali's in most categories. Hali's stats have been on the decline the last 2 years.

Put Siler in with our TBD MLB and it is at least a push or very slight lead for kFc for 2012.

2013 we added Phillips so our depth is light years better than what you guys added.

It will be fun to watch you guys try to keep us to 17 points at home this year with the addition of Montee Ball, Wes Welker, and a healthy Clady.

It will also be fun to see if Alex Smith goes back to his play from his 1st 3 years and throws more INT's than TD's. That is the thing I would be most worried about as a kFc fan, you have a QB who took 3 years to get more TD's than INT's and he has only one quality WR and a RB to dump it to.

I think Reid could have made Cassell as good a QB that Smith will be, maybe even better but there is no way they could have brought him back after the fan outrage last year.
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:01 PM   #2663
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who cares about position groups. It's a team sport. Broncos will roll the Chiefs, again. Since none of the other AFC West teams know what to do when they win the division, it's up to the Broncos to once again show them how it's done. A little unlucky last year but this year there will be no freakish weather and lucky hail mary to keep us from our Superbowl destiny.

This is one of those years where no 9-7 slumping team that barely could make the playoffs gets on a hot roll. This is a year where a dominant team will just cruise through. Just as the 98 Broncos did, the 2013 Broncos shall own the league and hoist the trophy in the end.
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:14 PM   #2664
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I like the dude in the top right corner with the emo cut who jumps up for a second
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:36 PM   #2665
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Chiefs held the Broncos to 17 points at Arrowhead would have beaten them if they had a QB that was worth a ****.
Isn't kind of hard to say that when you haven't scored over 30 total points in the last 4 games against an opponent?
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:13 PM   #2666
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QB: Our Qb is more consistent, and has an added element because he can move, peyton canít. Chiefs.
RB: Our running game is one of the best. Jamaal, Kniles, and even Gray and Draughn. The Broncos are smallish and clock consumers, not those that canít carry a drive. Chiefs.
WR: Their receivers are bigger than ours, but we have more depth at the position, allowing us to afford an injury. After Decker and Thomas, its weak. Slight Broncos.
TE: Our TEís can pass block, run block, and catch. Their TEís are about average. Kelce and Moeaki are younger than Dreesen and Tamme, and are more versatile. Slight Chiefs.
OL: Our line doesnít get pub, but Asaomah and Albert hold it down, and the others continue to rise every year. Denverís line is overrated and older than what everyone thinks. Chiefs.
DL: Again, an underrated group. Jackson gets better every year, and they got Devito, who is very good at stopping the run. Weíre waiting to see Denverís. Slight Chiefs.
LB: Say what you want about Von Miller. You wonít hear much now that Elvis is gone. Hali and Houston are the best pass rushing duo in the league, and they can cover. Elvis is a one-trick pony, just ask Pitta. Chiefs
Secondary: Bailey what? Yeah, when the Bronco pass rush did nothing, the secondary was exposed. Its not very good. Ask Flacco and Torrey. KCís secondary held up even when the pass rush didnít, or played so well we got a sack. Our entire defense is underrated. Chiefs.
Special Teams: Tie. Both have excellent units, and both can take kicks or punts for scores.
Coaching: If you watched last yearís divisional round, you know its Reid who gets the nod here. Fox was too conservative and it cost them, it wasnít like the Ravens D was playing that well, Fox got scared into a failure on his own turf.
Chiefs Win 9-2.
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Not saying the Chiefs are better in most categories. I'm saying that the Broncos are not easily better in the other position groups.

The one position group that the Chiefs are better than the Broncos at without question is LB. 3 of our 4 LB's are multiple year pro bowlers (soon to be multiple year probowlers in Houston's case).

Von is a great player, but he's just one guy. Easily take us as a whole.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. Two completely different defensive schemes. KC runs a 3-4, Denver runs a nickel 4-3. We score a hell of a lot of points so the opposing team has to throw a lot which means we only have 2 LBs on the field the majority of the time. So you're comparing Von Miller and the highest rated coverage MLB in the league (http://www.denverpost.com/lunchspeci...medium=twitter) to KCs 4 LBs. I'd say both teams have very talented groups. Neither one is better than the other because you can't compare them.
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IDK Miller and Woodyard are at least equal to DJ, Houston, AND Hali

Houston and Hali disappear vs the run DJ disappears vs the pass

Miller's stats are double Houston's and Hali's in most categories. Hali's stats have been on the decline the last 2 years.

Put Siler in with our TBD MLB and it is at least a push or very slight lead for kFc for 2012.

2013 we added Phillips so our depth is light years better than what you guys added.

It will be fun to watch you guys try to keep us to 17 points at home this year with the addition of Montee Ball, Wes Welker, and a healthy Clady.

It will also be fun to see if Alex Smith goes back to his play from his 1st 3 years and throws more INT's than TD's. That is the thing I would be most worried about as a kFc fan, you have a QB who took 3 years to get more TD's than INT's and he has only one quality WR and a RB to dump it to.

I think Reid could have made Cassell as good a QB that Smith will be, maybe even better but there is no way they could have brought him back after the fan outrage last year.
Spot on for my post on the prior page. Chiefs top 3 LBs had 7 more sacks than our top 3 LBs, and about half the sacks and turn overs (that is taking Phillips 2012 year with SD). Our LBs also spent less time on the field, which clearly equates to less opportunity to tackle and cause turn overs... so if our LBs spent the same amount of time on the field as the Chiefs D, would our D have even better sats?
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bottom line: KC's D was 24th in scoring last year, ours was 4th. Despite all of their pro-bowlers, they were one of the worse squads in the league. Claiming any kind of superiority is absurd.

Here's an interesting KC Defensive stat - the led the league in passes attempted against. That's something, right?
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bottom line: KC's D was 24th in scoring last year, ours was 4th. Despite all of their pro-bowlers, they were one of the worse squads in the league. Claiming any kind of superiority is absurd.

Here's an interesting KC Defensive stat - the led the league in passes attempted against. That's something, right?
A lot of this is attributed to the offense. Your offense was on the field a lot and rarely put your defense in a bad position. They put them in great positions to pin their ears back.

Our defense was on the field all game long all year. The defense was always tired because the offense could never create quality drives. We didn't have a lead until halfway through the season, so our 2 pass rushers never got to pin their ears back. I heard this morning that Justin Houston was one of 5 LB's in the NFL last year that played 1,000 snaps.

Can't imagine that kind of pressure to hold offenses at bay when your QB turns the ball over 3 times as often as he throws TD's.

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A lot of this is attributed to the offense. Your offense was on the field a lot and rarely put your defense in a bad position. They put them in great positions to pin their ears back.

Our defense was on the field all game long all year. The defense was always tired because the offense could never create quality drives. We didn't have a lead until halfway through the season, so our 2 pass rushers never got to pin their ears back. I heard this morning that Justin Houston was one of 5 LB's in the NFL last year that played 1,000 snaps.

Can't imagine that kind of pressure to hold offenses at bay when your QB turns the ball over 3 times as often as he throws TD's.
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Same BS every single year from KC. All the preseason hype then come excuses about mid season and the fire everyone talk.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:28 AM   #2674
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Same BS every single year from KC. All the preseason hype then come excuses about mid season and the fire everyone talk.
To wrap it up, so many great players, such a ****ty team.

Congratulations on the Chiefs winning the Preseason Best Players = Division Champions Award for the 4 straight year. They took this award from San Diego who actually backed it up by winning the division for years.
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