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Old 06-25-2013, 07:06 AM   #76
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Iran doesn't need nuclear power do they? They will run out of water before oil to burn.
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Old 06-25-2013, 07:07 AM   #77
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Sanctions are just our way of telling Iran, hey we haven't forgot about you. Just because we haven't bombed you doesn't mean you aren't important to us.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:58 AM   #78
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Sanctions are just our way of telling Iran, hey we haven't forgot about you. Just because we haven't bombed you doesn't mean you aren't important to us.
The sanctions are belligerent - an act of war. If another nation did that to us we'd probably send in the marines -- or drones -- or maybe even nuke them.
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:11 PM   #79
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Here is a great forum on Iran -- by scholars who know of what they speak.

Fast forward to 19:00 to skip the intros:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Jw96vdC4U
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:37 PM   #80
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Here is a great MIT forum on Iran -- by scholars who know of what they speak.

Fast forward to 19:00 to skip the intros:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Jw96vdC4U
MUST WATCH -- this forum will change the way you think about the world.
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:46 PM   #81
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:15 PM   #82
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Time to Rethink Iran...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTpLUSyUXcQ
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:48 PM   #83
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A Russian team visited the site of the alleged Sarin attack by Syrian forces -- and after analysis concluded the attack was by the rebels -- not Assad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ysju7W6r_E
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Nobel Peace Prize winner describes her experience in Syria...

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle35501.htm
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:47 PM   #85
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It appears that Obama's decision to send arms came too late to matter. Thank heaven. This will slow the drift to another bigger Mideast war. MHG



NATO: Assad Prevailing in Syria

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July 21, 2013 "Information Clearing House - "WT" - LONDON
— NATO has determined that President Bashar Assad ended any short- or mid-term threat from the Sunni revolt in Syria.

Officials said NATO, in consultation with Western intelligence agencies, assessed that the Sunni rebel campaign against Assad failed over the last three months.

The officials said Assad’s military, backed by Iran and Russia, would capture major rebel strongholds with the exception of northern Syria by the end of 2013.

“Currently, the tide seems to have shifted in his [Assad] favor,” Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on July 18.

Officials said the assessment led to a decision by several leading NATO countries to halt lethal weapons shipments to the Sunni rebels. They cited Britain, France and the United States.

“The rebel campaign has deteriorated dramatically since April and now it’s not clear who is fighting Assad or who is just getting a paycheck,” an official said.

The NATO assessment asserted that most of the Syrians involved in the revolt — including those in the Free Syrian Army — were no longer fighting the Assad regime. Instead, the bulk of combat has been assumed by foreign fighters, most of them affiliated with Al Qaida.

“They [Syrian rebels] are frustrated and angry at the world for not stepping in and helping,” U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said during a tour of a Syrian refugee camp in Jordan. “I explained to them I don’t think it’s as cut and dry and as simple as some of them look at it.”

In mid-July, both Britain and France signaled their opposition to any weapons shipments to the Syrian rebels. Officials said the two countries, which until June were the most supportive of arming the opposition, determined that any major weapons shipments could end up with Al Qaida militias.

“There are certain conditions that need to be met before eventually sending weapons,” French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said.

“For now France has not modified its position. We have the ability to do it, but we haven’t delivered any lethal weapons.”
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Well here we go. John Kerry on TV lobbying for an attack on Syria. Israel truly has America by the balls.

Kerry "Nothing is more serious in the world".

I feel for the people of Syria but what about the hungry in America? Millions without work? An American border that is virtually unprotected?

White House now saying they are ready to strike at any moment. WTF.

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Old 08-26-2013, 12:07 PM   #88
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Well here we go. John Kerry on TV lobbying for an attack on Syria. Israel truly has America by the balls.

Kerry "Nothing is more serious in the world".

I feel for the people of Syria but what about the hungry in America? Millions without work? An American border that is virtually unprotected?

White House now saying they are ready to strike at any moment. WTF.
Latest poll: 60% of the American people are opposed to the U.S. getting involved in Syria.

Guess what?


Don't mean ****.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:41 PM   #89
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Well here we go. John Kerry on TV lobbying for an attack on Syria. Israel truly has America by the balls.

Kerry "Nothing is more serious in the world".

I feel for the people of Syria but what about the hungry in America? Millions without work? An American border that is virtually unprotected?

White House now saying they are ready to strike at any moment. WTF.
Dude quit being a socialist.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:50 PM   #90
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If obama decides to go in will the righties support him? good one huh?
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:53 PM   #91
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We may just find out who Obama is working for real soon. We are piling on trillions upon trillions in debt and I've stated several times. I think the Fed is full of **** that they can "taper" the money printing. All things are pointing to it accelerating if nothing else. The market is agreeing with me. Another war that doesn't protect the interests of the American people that we can't afford should be interesting. The backlash after the attack will certainly be interesting.

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You can shove the left/righty stuff up your ass. I could care less about politics. We're on the verge of risking more American lives and billions for Israel. For what?

Oh guess what else. We are about to hit our debt limit again. http://www.cnbc.com/id/100968088 Perfect time to drop more billions blowing people up.

Yup...Let's go toe to toe with Iran while we are at it. Russia. Bring it!

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Old 08-26-2013, 01:21 PM   #92
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We may just find out who Obama is working for real soon. We are piling on trillions upon trillions in debt and I've stated several times. I think the Fed is full of **** that they can "taper" the money printing. All things are pointing to it accelerating if nothing else. The market is agreeing with me. Another war that doesn't protect the interests of the American people that we can't afford should be interesting. The backlash after the attack will certainly be interesting.

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You can shove the left/righty stuff up your ass. I could care less about politics. We're on the verge of risking more American lives and billions for Israel. For what?

Oh guess what else. We are about to hit our debt limit again. http://www.cnbc.com/id/100968088 Perfect time to drop more billions blowing people up.

Yup...Let's go toe to toe with Iran while we are at it. Russia. Bring it!
take it easy internet commando. i agree with you on israel.we should spend money on our own. yet that is called socialism by the righties around here.
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take it easy internet commando. i agree with you on israel.we should spend money on our own. yet that is called socialism by the righties around here.
My bad. It just blows me away that we are potentially entangling ourselves into another war. My best friend has been in and out of Afghanistan and places he can't even tell me about and there is a reason he moved his family as far away from DC as possible. It's not if it's when the east coast gets hit again with some retaliation.
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I just learned about this -- very disturbing news. The UN has not even confirmed that Assad was responsible for the chemical weapons attack -- and they're already preparing to attack.

This is insanity.

The early reports indicate that the rebels staged a false flag chemical attack -- to provoke intervention by the West.

ButI have yet to hear even one radio report deviate from the "Assad did it" propaganda. G-d help us if this blows up. MHG


Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

Britain is planning to join forces with America and launch military action against Syria within days in response to the gas attack believed to have been carried out by President Bashar al-Assad’s forces against his own people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-on-Syria.html
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My bad. It just blows me away that we are potentially entangling ourselves into another war. My best friend has been in and out of Afghanistan and places he can't even tell me about and there is a reason he moved his family as far away from DC as possible. It's not if it's when the east coast gets hit again with some retaliation.
It's true. "They" don't hate us for our freedoms, they hate us for our foreign policy, our arrogance, and our perpetual military presence everywhere around the globe.

It's high time we get rid of the military industrial complex, but good luck convincing most conservatives and any "liberal" in a district affected by military spending cuts.

I don't even care if the money is flushed down a toilet, it's a better use for it than propping up a multibillion dollar industry that does us more harm than good. We can protect ourselves and our interests with a streamlined military at a quarter of what we're paying now, and as I've said before, we can return the majority of the military back to the states with the National Guard in each state. With the money the federal government saves on wasteful spending, they can reinvest in infrastructure, which is arguably more important for war than the actual troops.

It will take some creative thinking and thoughtful engineering, but it can be done. The first step is voting out anyone who wants to raise the military budget. The second is voting out anyone who doesn't want to lower it.
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Every constitution then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.--It may be said that the succeeding generation exercising in fact the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law has been expressly limited to 19 years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be indeed if every form of government were so perfectly contrived that the will of the majority could always be obtained fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves. Their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils. Bribery corrupts them. Personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents: and other impediments arise so as to prove to every practical man that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal. (Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Madison, 1789)
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So we should allow use of chemical weapon on civilians to go unopposed? Taking a stand again evil act is never wrong.
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So we should allow use of chemical weapon on civilians to go unopposed? Taking a stand again evil act is never wrong.
You should be asking who staged the attack?

Assad was winning the war. Why would he risk everything by using them -- knowing this would be a red line - that might trigger western intervention?

Much more likely that the rebels staged the attack.
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You should be asking who staged the attack?

Assad was winning the war. Why would he risk everything by using them -- knowing this would be a red line - that might trigger western intervention?

Much more likely that the rebels staged the attack.
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This act was done by the Syrian Regime, no one else. Assad is fulling bold because the three previous chemical attacks caused no western response (because of the lack of medical evidence) and the Russians assuring him they would block any UN security council actions.
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This act was done by the Syrian Regime, no one else. Assad is fulling bold because the three previous chemical attacks caused no western response (because of the lack of medical evidence) and the Russians assuring him they would block any UN security council actions.
You sound like FOX News.

Where is the evidence Assad did it? There is none.

So - you would start WW III on a supposition?

Nor has it been shown that Assad was responsible for the other attacks - - assuming they actually took place, which is not certain.

The Russians claim to have intel that the missiles launched from turf owned by the rebels.
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