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Old 06-30-2013, 10:18 AM   #276
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Section 3 of doma was struck down,next up is section 2, which allows states to deny marriage rights.

SCOTUS ruled specifically on section 3.
The Full Faith and Credit Clause—Article IV, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution—provides that the various states must recognize legislative acts, public records, and judicial decisions of the other states within the United States. It states that "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State." The statute that implements the clause, 28 U.S.C.A. 1738, further specifies that "a state's preclusion rules should control matters originally litigated in that state." The Full Faith and Credit Clause ensures that judicial decisions rendered by the courts in one state are recognized and honored in every other state. It also prevents parties from moving to another state to escape enforcement of a judgment or to relitigate a controversy already decided elsewhere, a practice known as forum shopping.
Article IV,section 1 of our constitution doesn't allow for states to not recognize the legal proceedings of other states.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:07 AM   #277
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Interesting how the words of Frederick Douglass spoken back in 1862 could very easily be applied to gay marriage today.

"When slavery was assailed twenty-five years ago, the whole land took the alarm, and every species of argument and subterfuge was resorted to by the defenders of slavery. The mental activity was amazing; all sorts of excuses, political, economical, social, theological and ethnological, were coined into barricades against the advancing march of anti-slavery sentiment. The same activity now shows itself, but has added nothing new to the argument for slavery or against emancipation

When the accursed slavery system shall once be abolished, and the Negro, long cast out from the human family, and governed like a beast of burden, shall be gathered under the divine government of justice, liberty and humanity, men will be ashamed to remember that they were ever deluded by the flimsy nonsense which they have allowed themselves to urge against the freedom of the long enslaved millions of our land. That day is not far off.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:59 PM   #278
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You might have a point in some schools and situations. But generally the teachers at suburban schools are just mostly young women and mothers from the community. They don't have some "union liberal" mentality. That's just silly. They're only in the union because they have to be. As I said, far more likely that a Catholic school would have a "conservative" lean (since probably close to 100% of them do) than a public school a "liberal" lean. I think my point clearly stands, and you made no good argument to the contrary.
Things certainly are different down there than they are up here than, up here the teachers unions have gotten the liberals elected for the last 10 years, we have campaign spending limits, but they don't apply to people not campaigning, so guess who the unions run adds for ? Oddly enough in the same 10 years the teachers have seen salaries go up by more than at any other time in history.

My wife is a catholic school teacher, and both of us went to catholic school, our kids are being raised catholic although we are not practicing. if that makes sense.

Also our conservatives don't bring bible stuff into the political forum, we aren't as extreme as you guys, actually the Canadian conservative would probably be considered a democrat in the states.
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