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Old 06-26-2013, 07:52 AM   #26
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The trial will be just, even if found guilty.
OJ agrees "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit", he was a totally innocent man that received a fair trial. Casey Anthony also agrees, the jury system is always correct.

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Old 06-26-2013, 07:54 AM   #27
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Armed man initiates a confrontation with and kills another person.
Exactly, which is why nyuk nyuk is a lunatic. Zimmerman had NO authority to pursue Martin. If someone whom you never met aggressively initiates unwanted contact with you, you kick their ass (i.e. defend yourself), then they shoot you, that is not "self-defense" on their part. By that logic, any mugger who gets his ass kicked and shoots someone could plead self-defense. That only works in the warped, depraved mind of bigots like nyuk nyuk.

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Old 06-26-2013, 07:58 AM   #28
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Trial? Pfht? Who needs a trial? The guy had some boo-boos!
Exactly. 99% of the people voicing their opinions, including Martin's parents, only wanted an investigation, which there wasn't at first. The trial is a result of the prosecution deciding there was enough evidence to go forward.

Exactly what part of the judicial process was compromised here?
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:01 AM   #29
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I'm on the side of "I have no idea what happened." I hope the trial brings out the facts, but that's not a foregone conclusion in any case as high profile as this.
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Trayvons GF testifying last couple days. Man she is fugly. Precious takes the stand! He should be glad he won't have to hit that anymore.
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OJ agrees "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit", he was a totally innocent man that received a fair trial. Casey Anthony also agrees, the jury system is always correct.
Sometimes the prosecution doesn't make it's case. What a jury sees and what the public sees via the media are two different things.
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So far the prosecution is making a strong case. From a really bad knock-knock joke to open the trial to being unable to break the states witnesses,the defense isn't doing Zimmerman any favors so far.
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:22 AM   #34
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So far the prosecution is making a strong case. From a really bad knock-knock joke to open the trial to being unable to break the states witnesses,the defense isn't doing Zimmerman any favors so far.
They really aren't. You might be the only person I've seen say that. The girl was a train wreak with all kinds of cred issues. The evidence supports Zimmerman's claim. You never know with a jury though.
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They really aren't. You might be the only person I've seen say that. The girl was a train wreak with all kinds of cred issues. The evidence supports Zimmerman's claim. You never know with a jury though.
Not really,so far they've already had,as of yesterday, 3 witnesses testify that Zimmerman was on top. Also there's no evidence of a broken nose. Zimmerman claimed that after he shot trayvon that he spread his arms apart but trayvon was found with his hands underneath him.
The defense doesn't want to put Zimmerman on the stand there so many contradictions in his statements. Zimmerman was the aggressor here. Another thing is they've played the tapes trayvons scream stop at the moment he's shot.

You are right though,a jury may still find him not guilty.
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:00 PM   #36
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The evidence supports Zimmerman's claim.
Well, no, it doesn't. The only way a person can say that is if they aren't following the trail or else they simply want Zimmerman to win for whatever reason. The defense vastly overstated his injuries, and the scream on the tape is clearly a teenager, not a nearly middle-aged man. It's also clear that Zimmerman was on top during the struggle.
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Ah...no to both of you.

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There was a reason this guy wasn't arrested to begin with and we're seeing it in this trial.
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There was a reason this guy wasn't arrested to begin with and we're seeing it in this trial.
Bull****. As I've been saying, if you (while armed) follow and harass someone (who's not armed) and not only have no authority to do so, but are specifically told by authorities NOT to do so (like Zimmerman), then you get your ass kicked as a result, it's not self-defense if you then shoot that person. The unarmed Martin was the one in a position of self-defense since it was the armed Zimmerman who initiated an unwanted, unauthorized pursuit of him. By your idiotic logic, a mugger who has the tables turned on him by his victim could shoot that victim and then claim self-defense. Trayvon was the one rightfully in self-defense mode, whether or not he was on top during the scuffle.

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There was a reason this guy wasn't arrested to begin with and we're seeing it in this trial.
Yeah, outside of the fact that the lead investigator wanted Zimmerman arrested & charged with manslaughter that very night.

BTW, why is the defense scared to put Zimmerman on the stand? If I were Zimmerman I would want to be on the stand.
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Exactly, which is why nyuk nyuk is a lunatic. Zimmerman had NO authority to pursue Martin. If someone whom you never met aggressively initiates unwanted contact with you, you kick their ass (i.e. defend yourself), then they shoot you, that is not "self-defense" on their part. By that logic, any mugger who gets his ass kicked and shoots someone could plead self-defense. That only works in the warped, depraved mind of bigots like nyuk nyuk.
Zimmerman went looking for trouble, Martin was minding his own business and walking home, no actual or intent in committing any crime other than walking back home. I think those that side with Zimmerman's actions have a cowboy/hero complex, Zimmerman's gun gave him the self delusion of authority and license to engage Martin and anybody else that his deluded mind told him too.
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Yeah, outside of the fact that the lead investigator wanted Zimmerman arrested & charged with manslaughter that very night.

BTW, why is the defense scared to put Zimmerman on the stand? If I were Zimmerman I would want to be on the stand.
It's his right and it's irrelevant. Manslaughter would actually be a charge they could get a conviction on. Instead they went with second degree murder. Also, the bypassed a Grand Jury, which makes zero sense unless you're trying to force something to trial that shouldn't be.
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It's his right and it's irrelevant. Manslaughter would actually be a charge they could get a conviction on. Instead they went with second degree murder. Also, the bypassed a Grand Jury, which makes zero sense unless you're trying to force something to trial that shouldn't be.
It is his right,but that's not the reason he isn't taking the stand.
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Bull****. As I've been saying, if you (while armed) follow and harass someone (your opinion (who's not armed) and not only have no authority to do sowrong, you don't need authority to follow someone, but are specifically told by authorities NOT to do so (like Zimmerman)he was told by a 911 operator not to pursue the guy, not the police. Even still not illegal, then you get your ass kicked as a result, it's not self-defense it became self-defense when he thought his life was in danger if you then shoot that person. The unarmed Martin was the one in a position of self-defenseeyewitness testimony does not support this claim since it was the armed Zimmerman who initiated an unwantedyour opinion, Zimmerman says MArtin came back to look for him, unauthorized pursuit of himAgain this is nonsense. By your idiotic logic, a mugger who has the tables turned on him by his victim could shoot that victim and then claim self-defense. Trayvon was the one rightfully in self-defense modeyour opinion, whether or not he was on top during the scuffleactually it does matter.
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It's his right and it's irrelevant. Manslaughter would actually be a charge they could get a conviction on. Instead they went with second degree murder. Also, the bypassed a Grand Jury, which makes zero sense unless you're trying to force something to trial that shouldn't be.


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Zimmerman went looking for troubleZimmerman was protecting a crime crime area for potential theft, Martin was minding his own business He was, but his behavior was odd enough to catch the attention of the neighbor hood watch and walking home, no actual or intent in committing any crime other than walking back home. I think those that side with Zimmerman's actions have a cowboy/hero complexyour assumption and a wrong one, Zimmerman's gun gave him the self delusion of authority and license to engage Martin and anybody else that his deluded mind told him tooActually the Police and HOA sanctioned neigborhood watch gave him that, as if he needed it.
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I didn't say it was illegal. I said they bypassed it because they knew the evidence was so weak that it wouldn't go to trial on Murder 2.`
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I didn't say it was illegal. I said they bypassed it because they knew the evidence was so weak that it wouldn't go to trial on Murder 2.`
You implied there was something wrong/fishy about there not being a grand jury. There's nothing fishy or wrong with that,the state of Florida felt they had enough evidence to proceed without a grand jury.
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So walking home with a soda & skittles on the phone is odd behavior?
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This is why the second degree charge is important.

The 911 call and his previous calls create an image for the jury of someone wanting to get revenge for other crimes committed in the area.

The jurors' interpretation of the language he used there, as well as the medical assistant giving testimony right now are going to be a much larger determining factor in this case than anything else, IMO.
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