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Old 06-27-2013, 11:49 AM   #201
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Don't force your lifestyle on my kids...
Nobody's forcing any "lifestyle" on them. And being gay isn't a "lifestyle". They didn't choose it. Your kids are either straight or gay. And hopefully you'd love them either way. I know I would mine.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:51 AM   #202
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Talking about a religion and forcing the practice of a religion (or behavior compliant with that religion through law or other force) on someone are entirely different beasts.

Likewise, having people talk to your kids about homosexuality is not the same thing as coercing them to somehow participate in it.
Unfortunately there is no gray and liberals have showed that in force with regards to religion. Hell, Christmas at my son's school is now the Winter Solstice. I call it stupid but don't really care. School should serve it's purpose but with regards to some of the conversations listed on this thread, those topics are best left at home for families to teach their kids about and not folks with an agenda.
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Only in the mind of lunatics is talking about he existence of something "forcing" that thing on someone.

Is talking about criminal behavior "forcing" the "criminal lifestyle" on someone? No.

Likewise, it talking about religion "forcing" it on someone? Also no.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:56 AM   #204
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Unfortunately there is no gray and liberals have showed that in force with regards to religion. Hell, Christmas at my son's school is now the Winter Solstice. I call it stupid but don't really care. School should serve it's purpose but with regards to some of the conversations listed on this thread, those topics are best left at home for families to teach their kids about and not folks with an agenda.
What "agendas"?
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:57 AM   #205
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Obama would and he's a good source for what the mainstream, progressive liberal conscience is.
Obama is a ****in moderate, stop calling him a liberal. If he's a liberal, hes a bad liberal.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:57 AM   #206
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Nobody's forcing any "lifestyle" on them. And being gay isn't a "lifestyle". They didn't choose it. Your kids are either straight or gay. And hopefully you'd love them either way. I know I would mine.
I know a lot of bi-sexual people that choose to be that way. Huh?

Should my child choose to be gay, i'll still love them. I don't have to love the act to continuing doing so. My thoughts of them as a person would not be impacted by this decision, just like folks I meet all the time that are gay.
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So then, bpc, you think being gay is a "choice"?
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:01 PM   #208
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Unfortunately there is no gray and liberals have showed that in force with regards to religion. Hell, Christmas at my son's school is now the Winter Solstice. I call it stupid but don't really care. School should serve it's purpose but with regards to some of the conversations listed on this thread, those topics are best left at home for families to teach their kids about and not folks with an agenda.
I'm as liberal as they come, was raised Jewish (though an athiest), and i love the idea of christmas (and i assume most do). So don't group us in with those people, just as you don't wanna be grouped in with every other religious wingnut.
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I know a lot of bi-sexual people that choose to be that way. Huh?

Should my child choose to be gay, i'll still love them. I don't have to love the act to continuing doing so. My thoughts of them as a person would not be impacted by this decision, just like folks I meet all the time that are gay.
ITS NOT A CHOICE
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:10 PM   #210
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:13 PM   #211
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You might want to look that one up.
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You might want to look that one up.
You post boils down to calling me shallow, and provides no actual argument.

Classic ad hominem bub.
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No, i wouldnt ban anything, and I think time will wash religion away. It might be A LOT of time, but unless the voice of "God" shouts from the skies in the next 500-1000 years, I think it'll go to the fringe.

I do, however, thinks its poisonous to teach kids that the Earth is only a few thousand years old and also counter productive to have dishonest conversations about sex with them.
And I think it's more dangerous to teach them that surrendering their challenges and problems to a central political authority is the right way to go.

Anyway, there's no intellectual consistency to allowing private schools (or home schools) and mandatory government-sponsored sex education.
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You post boils down to calling me shallow, and provides no actual argument.

Classic ad hominem bub.
I called the idea shallow. Which it is. But an Ad Hominem by any stretch, it is not.
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I called the idea shallow. Which it is. But an Ad Hominem by any stretch, it is not.
That statement is stupid!

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That statement is stupid!

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Right. Not an ad hominem. Good work.
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I know a lot of bi-sexual people that choose to be that way. Huh?

Should my child choose to be gay, i'll still love them. I don't have to love the act to continuing doing so. My thoughts of them as a person would not be impacted by this decision, just like folks I meet all the time that are gay.

The choice is to engage in sexual activity. It goes no further. What you are attracted to does not change, and it is not chosen.


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Right. Not an ad hominem. Good work.
If you want to provide a valid argument, rather than an ad hominem, argue what exactly you find wrong with what I said. Don't just call it, and me by implication, shallow.

Though seriously, if you can't even figure out that what you said is an ad hominem, what's the point?

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The choice is to engage in sexual activity.
Is it?

Are you sure you guys really want in on this marriage thing?
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If you want to provide a valid argument, rather than an ad hominem, argue what exactly you find wrong with what I said. Don't just call it and me implication, me shallow.

Though seriously, if you can't even figure out that what you said is an ad hominem, what's the point?
Young children continually challenge the difference between "That's stupid" and "You're stupid"

I think for the most part they figure out the difference around 2nd-3rd grade. But keep trying. You'll get there.

(that last part was an ad hominem, for your reference, just in case you need it for your next session as OM Language Professor )
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And I think it's more dangerous to teach them that surrendering their challenges and problems to a central political authority is the right way to go.

Anyway, there's no intellectual consistency to allowing private schools (or home schools) and mandatory government-sponsored sex education.
Kids are so incredibly dumb when it comes to sex education because we either 1) teach them incorrectly or 2) are afraid of the conversation because of some moralistic standard. We'd all be better off knowing the truth about our actions so we can make informed, responsible decisions earlier in life. I think sex education should become mandatory, as i think a current events class should too.
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Is it?

Are you sure you guys really want in on this marriage thing?

Not particularly. BUT, gay divorce disputes on Judge Judy will be epic.


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Kids are so incredibly dumb when it comes to sex education because we either 1) teach them incorrectly or 2) are afraid of the conversation because of some moralistic standard. We'd all be better off knowing the truth about our actions so we can make informed, responsible decisions earlier in life. I think sex education should become mandatory, as i think a current events class should too.

I think anything before 5th grade is too soon for sex education. Make it mandatory and have actual health professionals teach it, not gym coaches. I remember in 9th grade being broken up into boy/girl classes so we could learn about our bodies. Nothing is as awkward as a lesbian gym teacher explaining to a bunch of 14 year old boys the mechanics of an erection.

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Kids are so incredibly dumb when it comes to sex education because we either 1) teach them incorrectly or 2) are afraid of the conversation because of some moralistic standard. We'd all be better off knowing the truth about our actions so we can make informed, responsible decisions earlier in life. I think sex education should become mandatory, as i think a current events class should too.
Ooooh, forced federal "current events" lessons. I think Chairman M and JoStal had something like that. This progressive vision just gets better and better.
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I think anything before 5th grade is too soon for sex education. Make it mandatory and have actual health professionals teach it, not gym coaches.
Agree with this 100%. The school nurse is probably a good candidate. Some of these gym teachers are no better than the parents.
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