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Old 06-24-2013, 09:09 PM   #2201
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If 35 year old Mark ****ing Streit can get 5.25 and 40 year old Sergei Gonchar can get 5m, then it's not physically possible for me to overstate the market.

The market is completely out of control, 24. Have you by chance taken a look at the UFA d-man list? It's crap.....esp among offensive defensemen.
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:11 PM   #2202
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I hated it when the Avs let Quenneville go, and I still hate the move today.

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Q was a mess here juggling goalies, benching his best players, the passive PK, and butting heads with the front office. Sure the avs were terrible after he left, but he was never going to make a difference here in CO.
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Q was a mess here juggling goalies, benching his best players, the passive PK, and butting heads with the front office. Sure the avs were terrible after he left, but he was never going to make a difference here in CO.
cause the FO was morons. that nonsense was more on the FO than Q.
he has his faults but PL was too busy being upset that Q wouldn't toe the line and challenged him on some moves.

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If 35 year old Mark ****ing Streit can get 5.25 and 40 year old Sergei Gonchar can get 5m, then it's not physically possible for me to overstate the market.

The market is completely out of control, 24. Have you by chance taken a look at the UFA d-man list? It's crap.....esp among offensive defensemen.
i doubt Letang will net a first. too many teams know the Pens can't afford him without making other major sacrifices.
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:21 PM   #2204
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If 35 year old Mark ****ing Streit can get 5.25 and 40 year old Sergei Gonchar can get 5m, then it's not physically possible for me to overstate the market.

The market is completely out of control, 24. Have you by chance taken a look at the UFA d-man list? It's crap.....esp among offensive defensemen.
Letang is asking for a lot more than 5 million, and no team is going to trade a first round pick and pick up a 7 mill cap hit. Not with the salary cap going down this year. No sirrreee.
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:34 PM   #2205
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cause the FO was morons. that nonsense was more on the FO than Q.
he has his faults but PL was too busy being upset that Q wouldn't toe the line and challenged him on some moves.



i doubt Letang will net a first. too many teams know the Pens can't afford him without making other major sacrifices.
Problem with your argument is that the Pens CAN afford him at 6m just not 7. Most of the defense the next few years will be on ELC so we can definitely pay him 6 a year. It's not like PIT has to dump him. They can offer that extra year that no one else can.....so its not a forgone conclusion that he will go. They can keep him at up to 6.25 or maybe 6.5 at absolute most and still be ok cap wise so long as the cap increases 2m or so a year over the life of the deal...which is a conservative estimate. PIT is aided in this regard by the fact that Crosbys deal at 8.7 AAV is actually a legal form of cap circumvention because its one of those front loaded 12 year deals that are now prohibited but the existing ones were grandfathered into the CBA. He is actually making more than Geno but counts for less.
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:43 PM   #2207
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You guys had a great year..props.
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cause the FO was morons. that nonsense was more on the FO than Q.
he has his faults but PL was too busy being upset that Q wouldn't toe the line and challenged him on some moves.
Hopefully PL has been muted in the front office, but it still bothers me that he is still an advisor for the franchise.
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:45 PM   #2209
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Pierre Lebrun thinks Letang isn't get anything less than 7 mill SoCal.

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And know this, I don’t think Letang signs for any less than $7 million a season.
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Pierre Lebrun thinks Letang isn't get anything less than 7 mill SoCal.
You are forgetting the 8th year. PIT offer of 8 at 6.25 AAV puts more money in Letangs pocket than another teams 7 year offer at 7.00 AAV.
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You are forgetting the 8th year. PIT offer of 8 at 6.25 AAV puts more money in Letangs pocket than another teams 7 year offer at 7.00 AAV.
He could be asking for more than 7 million, and also a NMC. Who knows but sounds like he's playing hardball.
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You are right on the NMC. He has asked for that.....and that's been rejected so far.
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You are right on the NMC. He has asked for that.....and that's been rejected so far.
Bit of a conundrum for Shero.

I think he pays Letang north of 7 million, and a NMC that doesn't kick in for a short time, and will trade him for a second round pick and prospects before the NMC kicks in. He doesn't really have leverage in this situation.
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Bit of a conundrum for Shero.

I think he pays Letang north of 7 million, and a NMC that doesn't kick in for a short time, and will trade him for a second round pick and prospects before the NMC kicks in. He doesn't really have leverage in this situation.
1. He won't pay him north of 7.
2. He isn't lacking in leverage. There is a reason Shero has been using first rounders on defensemen, including puck movers, seemingly every single year but one. Cause they knew this day could come and they needed to be ready. There is a glut of high level Dmen in the system exactly because this was forseen. Either something south of 7 will happen or else we will start using that talent we have been drafting. We've got leverage. I'd love to keep Letang but this isn't life or death. It might be for one year but not beyond that.
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1. He won't pay him north of 7.
Letang will get north of 7 mill. That's his starting point.

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2. He isn't lacking in leverage. There is a reason Shero has been using first rounders on defensemen, including puck movers, seemingly every single year but one. Cause they knew this day could come and they needed to be ready. There is a glut of high level Dmen in the system exactly because this was forseen. Either something south of 7 will happen or else we will start using that talent we have been drafting. We've got leverage. I'd love to keep Letang but this isn't life or death. It might be for one year but not beyond that.
Everyone knows that Letang will end up getting traded, Shero isn't going to fleece anyone on this. He either resigns Letang or lets Letang walk next season for nothing. Letang has the leverage, not Shero.
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Letang will get north of 7 mill. That's his starting point.



Everyone knows that Letang will end up getting traded, Shero isn't going to fleece anyone on this. He either resigns Letang or lets Letang walk next season for nothing. Letang has the leverage, not Shero.
Problem with your argument is that GMs have the patience of teen girls. Last year Staal actually publicly rejected our offer before the draft and made it known that he would not stay REGARDLESS of the amount offered cause he wanted to go to Carolina. Everyone and their Mom knew he would sign with Carolina as a FA and we STILL fleeced them.

Even if they don't get something they like at the draft (and they will) things get crazy and everyone overpays at the deadline so he could get moved then.
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Congrats to the Hawks. Twice in 4 years!
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Gotta give it up to the Blackhawks. They're a juggernaut. I really hope the Avs use them as a model for a rebuild in years to come.

If not for the disallowed goal in game 2, they would have won in 5. They have amazing depth as well as top line talent.
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1st congrats hawks fans, 2nd taxi cab drivers beware, 3rd i feel a little better about how the flyers pissed it away now.

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Letang will get north of 7 mill. That's his starting point.
is Letang french for brain campbell ?

Gonna have to agree with 24 on this, you cant ignore cost in a cap world socal, unless of course you are the flyers GM, nobody is going to take him at that hit giving up much. These deals are exactly how teams get stuck with 10 guys with NTC, and NMC, then they wonder why they cant do anything with them.
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Hopefully PL has been muted in the front office, but it still bothers me that he is still an advisor for the franchise.
It's really in name only though. He's got no real power or say. It was a nice way of brooming him out without firing him officially.
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Now that it's officially the offseason...

Torts set to be the new Vancouver Canucks head coach.

Kiprusoff retires. Leaving the Flames fill a huge void in net.
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Now that it's officially the offseason...

Torts set to be the new Vancouver Canucks head coach.

Kiprusoff retires. Leaving the Flames fill a huge void in net.
It's a good fit for Torts in Vancouver.....odd, when was the last time a team "traded" coaches?
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