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Old 06-22-2013, 05:47 AM   #26
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Then lastly why in the hell hasn't Obama went harder on this issue. His wife got called out by an angry activist over that issue.

At this point we have states that just won't do it. Hell here in ca it went down. I voted to have it be legal by the way. The bad news was mormon money and black people being against it sent it to defeat. When religion and a racial voting block come together watch out. You won't win. I did go back and forth on gay marriage but now I am firmly in the all people should have the right to make the huge mistake of marriage. I just know somewhere there is a gay dude who said he would marry but its illegal. Now his mate is like OOOOH we can get married now its legal. The other dude is like damn I never really wanted to marry lol!

Anyways my point is trying to do something like this at the state level is as stupid as trying to make drugs legal in only a couple states. Or have arizona try and take over border control themselves, or do their own immigration policy.

Some things scream out load for Presidential leadership and a change of FEDERAL law. Its the only way to force some dude in Kentucky has never read a book to be forced to deal with it. Its not a Presidents job to follow the polls. I don't want a president that does that i want one who leads us and when we are wrong he changes our minds. Or if too many won't come along you force feed it to us.

Some things should be done at the states. I love states rights. But when it comes to who can marry the law should be set IMO at the federal level.

But...you know if some private church doesn't want to allow gays to marry there then that is up to them. Big deal go to a different church. But there is no way gay marriage makes its rounds without the feds busting up that defense of marriage ideal. Not sure if that was law? or what feds doing on this but IMO it has to happen there. This 15 states have done it crap will never get all the way through all 50.
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Old 06-22-2013, 06:01 AM   #27
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So I will conceed the phrase its not normal should be shelved.
That's all you really needed to say. Three posts makes it seem like you're trying to overcompensate. The rest of your statements are just one "a lot of my friends are gay so this validates the way I think" after another, which is just like saying "I have a lot of black friends, so I can make fun of black people. They laugh."

Now, if only the members of your party would get their heads out of their asses and stop putting their feet in their mouths, then maybe the GOP might be able to siphon some of the more fiscally conservative people who refuse to vote Republican because they think they're a bunch of cavemen.

But it won't happen. I can guarantee you, like clockwork, at least one GOP politician will say something stupid about either LGBT issues or rape/abortion THIS WEEK.
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Old 06-22-2013, 06:36 AM   #28
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Hmmm lets see I play blues, jazz, rock, and r&b for a 2nd life. I wonder who knows or hangs with more black people. I joke with my only close black friend about Obama all the time and tons of other stuff. I will conceed also if you aren't very close with someone of any other race, or sexual preference probably not great to drop a great black joke. Hopefully you have some black friends that make fun of you Houghtam. Im a white dude playing black music most of the time so trust me black musicians tease me all the time. Also if you aren't ready to be able to do a smackdown then you haven't hung out playing dominoes with the rhythm section. Black dudes will eat you alive if you don't have thick skin and don't have a sense of humor.

But obviously Houghtam jokes that are about someone being less then you, or ones that are mean are never a good idea. And no I would never walk up to black people and start **** like I do with you on the internet. Trying to think you know what people are like by the internet is a joke. So I have an unpolitically correct sense of humor and made fun of the chiefs when that guy shot himself. Ok I will give you that sometimes I go over the edge but i digress. To think you know what sort of person I am makes me laugh. For instance if you were anything like you are on the internet someone would have beat you to death years ago.
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I also agree until the repubs can get people to stop talking about rape they are in trouble. They need to go back to the lets just put everyone in jail for a long time talk when it comes to rape.
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Also though Houghtam some of those crazy repubs who said those things got liberal money to help win the primary elections. The repubs do it also when they like one dem over another as far as being able to beat them.

We have a lot of problems in our system and its not just because GWB didn't find WMD and we had a costly war. Obama still crying. Now its IM NOT LIKE CHENEY! IM NOT IM NOT IM NOT. Give me a break the dems are not fixing anything. They are a joke.
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:03 AM   #31
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And here is a perfect example of "what is wrong" with the GOP.

Here we have one of its mouth-breathing members saying "I support gay marriage, but those gays will never be normal."
Minnesota voted to legalize gay marriage, but they didn't pass legislation to make it a normal act.

Smoking marijuana in Colorado is legal but it doesn't make it a normal act to most citizens.
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Old 06-22-2013, 10:10 AM   #32
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Minnesota voted to legalize gay marriage, but they didn't pass legislation to make it a normal act.

Smoking marijuana in Colorado is legal but it doesn't make it a normal act to most citizens.
My point, again.

It doesn't matter whether it's true or not. The mere act of saying it works to alienate the LGBT crowd.

Whom are you more likely to vote for?

"I support Second Amendment rights."

Or

"I support Second Amendment rights, but those gun owners are nut jobs."

I can't make my point any more clear than that. If you or cut or whoever the nozzle GOP congressmen is who is going to make an offensive comment this week can't understand that, you're what's wrong with the GOP.
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Old 06-22-2013, 11:02 AM   #33
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I think this thread needs a few more rambling posts from cutthemdown...

Question for cut and pony: do you think what Murkowski said (see post #14) is "conservative"?
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Old 06-22-2013, 11:41 AM   #34
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Yeah i would not support that even if I was against gay marriage. Now I do say I feel its not normal. But I also feel that there is nothing in the constitution about it only applying to normal people. The pursuit of happiness is not being fulfilled if a gay man or woman cant go see his lover in the hospital.

I never have heard of someone not being allowed to visit. I thought that was up to the patient. That is absurd if it occurs.
If it did say something about normal people someone would be advocating not allowing marriage between heterosexuals who have anal sex, oral sex, doggy style, anything but missionary.

If someone is in ICU it's generally just immediate relatives who can visit. Also if someone is in a coma or dying they can put in that rule or the family can say no one but close relatives.
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Thanks to years of media marketing. That doesn't say much about the quality of the voting public. If you're going to do something, do it because it's right, not because you've been hit with a Budweiser-style media blitz.

Speaking of that, it didn't become a big issue with Democrats until it became a big issue with Democratic Party brass.

Animal herding 101, folks.

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Thanks to years of media marketing. That doesn't say much about the quality of the voting public. If you're going to do something, do it because it's right, not because you've been hit with a Budweiser-style media blitz.
More and more people accept gays and gay marriage only because the media told them to, eh?

Why do you think so little of your fellow Americans?
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More and more people accept gays and gay marriage only because the media told them to, eh?

Why do you think so little of your fellow Americans?
I'm old enough to see how it unfolded. Mass media marketing followed by deluge of legislation.

As a lefty, you should know the power of media on the public mind. Did you forget your Chomksy already?
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I'm old enough to see how it unfolded. Mass media marketing followed by deluge of legislation.
Amazing how quickly folks abandon their misbegotten bigotry and prejudice (even when delivered from the pulpit) and start acting much more Christlike with their mercy and love for all God's children, isn't it?
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Well and the civil rights movement was just a result of the liberal media giving it more attention than they wuz worth -- err, I mean -- than them blacks deserved -- I mean -- Dayumit, Mabel! Used to be you could git away with saying anything about anyone. Not no more. Dayum PEE SEE BULL SHIAT's what I done say.
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There are no such things as gay rights, or black rights, or womens rights, only human rights, either you are human or you are not.

Then you get into wether or not getting married is a right. While I think marriage is a man and a woman, I see no reason why a gay person should not have the right to decide who gets to visit them in the hospital or make life or death decisions for them. Not sure why that is even an issue, shouldnt a living will make it crystal clear who gets to do things like that ?
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Amazing how quickly folks abandon their misbegotten bigotry and prejudice (even when delivered from the pulpit) and start acting much more Christlike with their mercy and love for all God's children, isn't it?
You're missing the point entirely and going back to your default position of applying simplistic, childish labels to those you don't like and Christlike (your word) ones to those who you do like. (For the record, nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality considered acceptable.)

Indeed, you are a perfect example of how people internalize simplistic language coined by activists and political campaigns in shoehorning people. Where is that language most commonly used?

Yes - television.
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There are no such things as gay rights, or black rights, or womens rights, only human rights, either you are human or you are not.
They want you to not see color or gender unless it gives them some sort of gain. You can't have color- or gender-blind and then turn around and demand spoils based on those groupings.
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Well and the civil rights movement was just a result of the liberal media giving it more attention than they wuz worth -- err, I mean -- than them blacks deserved -- I mean -- Dayumit, Mabel! Used to be you could git away with saying anything about anyone. Not no more. Dayum PEE SEE BULL SHIAT's what I done say.
Attempting to mock white southern speech isn't an argument for anything. Indeed, it's yet another example of how liberals copy and paste activist language most commonly expressed on television (and now blogs).

"If you don't think like us, you're a backward white inbred redneck" is one of the oldest stock liberal slurs in the book.

Good job, Meathead.
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Attempting to mock white southern speech isn't an argument for anything. Indeed, it's yet another example of how liberals copy and paste activist language most commonly expressed on television (and now blogs).

"If you don't think like us, you're a backward white inbred redneck" is one of the oldest stock liberal slurs in the book.

Good job, Meathead.
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You're missing the point entirely and going back to your default position of applying simplistic, childish labels to those you don't like and Christlike (your word) ones to those who you do like. (For the record, nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality considered acceptable.)
Provide us the quotes from Christ, in any Bible, regarding homosexuality:
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Then lastly why in the hell hasn't Obama went harder on this issue. His wife got called out by an angry activist over that issue.
Because Obama is way more conservative than we like. He is much more conservative than the Clintons and God knows they are hardly liberal.
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Provide us the quotes from Christ, in any Bible, regarding homosexuality:
Typical liberal tactic, pretending the validity of the Bible is reduced only to Christ's words. That's not how it works and you know it.

Try a cup of honesty, home boy.

By this logic, then show me where Christ - in any Bible - said it's not ok to hold slaves or beat women.

That didn't work well, did it?
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Because Obama is way more conservative than we like. He is much more conservative than the Clintons and God knows they are hardly liberal.
Yes, I recall the one-handed celebrations of the 2008 election in Socialist circles. Now they're calling him just another war criminal.

I'd call all of them liberals, but of course in more recent years the definition of what constitutes a liberal seems to keep moving leftward. I don't see how his domestic social policy can be called anything but liberal and I think critics who see otherwise fixate on his foreign policy.
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Typical liberal tactic, pretending the validity of the Bible is reduced only to Christ's words. That's not how it works and you know it.
Is not the Son of God the final authority?

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By this logic, then show me where Christ - in any Bible - said it's not ok to hold slaves or beat women.
Thanks for proving that conservatives think it's OK to hold slaves and beat women.

We all knew it, but now you've let it slip. Thanks!
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