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Old 06-20-2013, 04:58 PM   #226
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Assuming he's guilty, I'll be very surprised if he successfully got rid of all the evidence. That's very hard to do in this day and age.

At the very least it appears they have him on tampering with evidence or obstruction.

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Old 06-20-2013, 05:09 PM   #227
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:13 PM   #228
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wow $1.3 million house would run for about $400,000 where I live.
Well how big is his house and how much land?
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:13 PM   #229
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I'm seeing prices ranging from $150k to $500k. Or did you mean more property?


Alright here: http://kissingcamels.com/detail.asp?...&Submit=Submit

Kissing Camels is a gated community where I would guess a big time pro athlete would buy a home, assuming a big time pro athlete would ever do such a thing. A 5 bed 6 bath house in Kissing Camels is pretty much on par with what they are saying Hernandez's house is worth.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:13 PM   #230
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Don't get too excited, the absence of Hernandez won't stop Peyton gaggin in the playoffs.

Guns don't kill people, Aaron Hernandez kills people.
I bet we don't see much of you this year.

And I would have said that before this Hernandez thing.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:19 PM   #231
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ABC News reports that Massachusetts State Police are planning to return to Hernandez's house for a longer, more extensive search today because they believe he may have tampered with evidence.

On Monday, before Lloyd's body was found, he also hired a cleaning crew to scrub the mansion, the police source said.


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Old 06-20-2013, 05:27 PM   #232
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On Fayston Street, Odin Lloyd was their star
By Meghan E. Irons
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June 20, 2013

To the residents on Fayston Street, Odin Lloyd was their star.

He was the boy who played pickup football in the street with the other kids.

He was a heartbroken teenager after a breakup with his high school girlfriend.

He was a man who sought counsel with his elders and stayed out of trouble.

Since the 27-year-old man was murdered, apparently in North Attleborough, this week, grieving residents and family are filled with disbelief and questions about his death and the connection to New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez.

On Fayston Street today where Lloyd’s family lives at a gritty edge of Blue Hill Avenue, grief arrived in twos and threes as mourners stopped by.

The family, who have roots in Antigua, placed four trophies of Lloyd’s on the rail of their front porch.

One of the trophies is of a baseball batter and catcher. The placard attached reads: Red Sox Rookie Lge. MPCC Gang Peace ‘97.”

The others were for track and field and football from John D. O’Bryant School of Math And Science, the Boston high school where Lloyd was a member of the football team.

A black-framed photograph set amid the trophies showed Lloyd in a blue football uniform with what appeared to be the number 82. His head was tilted to the side and he was holding a white helmet.

Lloyd played linebacker for the semi-pro Boston Bandits and participated in scrimmage at a high school field in Boston Saturday night. Lloyd had played for the Bandits since 2007 and was considered a speedy pass rushing specialist, according to his coach.

Today, one of Lloyd’s cousins, who said she is close to Lloyd’s mother, said someone picked up Lloyd from the the family home hours before he was found on Monday in an industrial park in North Attleborough.

Sometime later, Ursula Ward was asked to identify the body of her son.

“This is hurting his mother,” said the cousin Genevor Monell. “That’s her only son. She’s a loving mother. ... Yes, we are in the ‘hood, but she works hard and raised a good man.’’

Monell said Lloyd was born in St. Croix. He had a job and did not have children.

The last person he spoke with was his sister, she said.

Along the street, residents are shaken. Lloyd was one of the good ones whose death has been overshadowed by the link in his murder to a professional athlete, they said.

“Let’s not forget that he is the victim,” said neighbor Paul Sandefur. “When you are dealing with these cases involving big-name people, the victim gets lost. Everybody is talking about the celebrity, but the victim gets lost.”
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:43 PM   #233
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If none of the suspects talk, and no smoking gun is found tying Hernandez directly to the murder, it will be tough to prosecute Him.

Destruction of cell phone, video surveillance, and doing a massive house cleaning were smart. He and the two other suspects can make up any story they want so as not to implicate Hernandez.

What a thug.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:55 PM   #234
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Sources: MSP has video surveillance of NE Patriot Aaron Hernandez returning to home shortly after neighbors heard gunshots.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:03 PM   #235
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Sources: MSP has video surveillance of NE Patriot Aaron Hernandez returning to home shortly after neighbors heard gunshots.
That is nothing that smashing his neighbors, throwing them in the microwave, and then soaking them in bleach won't fix. He will walk remember?
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That is nothing that smashing his neighbors, throwing them in the microwave, and then soaking them in bleach won't fix. He will walk remember?
haha you're a dick
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:04 PM   #237
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Still some time for Hernandez to pull off an OJ high speed chase to wreck the NBA Finals...
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not to mention 2 nights of drunken fun with the ladies.
With the men actually...

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A law enforcement source told FOX 25 Wednesday night Hernandez appears to be directly tied to the homicide of Odin Lloyd; however, at this point there have been no arrests in the case, but new information gathered Thursday paints a clearer picture as to why Hernandez is the focus of the investigation.

FOX 25's Bob Ward's sources have confirmed that there is video evidence of Hernandez and two other men wearing hooded sweatshirts walking into Hernandez's home within minutes of neighbors hearing gunshots.

Neighbors say they heard the gunshots between 3 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. Monday morning, but did not report it to police right away.

Just about an hour before Hernandez was caught on video walking into his home, Hernandez was seen at Lloyd's home in Dorchester.

FOX 25 also confirmed that the hard drive to Hernandez's home video surveillance system was heavily damaged when state police investigators went to his house.

Investigators want to talk to Hernandez in detail about what happened early Monday morning, but it is not clear just how forthcoming Hernandez has been, FOX 25's Bob Ward said.

Hernandez, Lloyd, and two other men were reportedly at a bar in Boston the night of the homicide, and at some point, the four men left together in a car driven by Hernandez which was confirmed by a text Lloyd sent another friend, a source said.

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Sources: MSP has video surveillance of NE Patriot Aaron Hernandez returning to home shortly after neighbors heard gunshots.
Like I said. It's really hard to get rid of all the evidence in this day and age.
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"Just about an hour before Hernandez was caught on video walking into his home, Hernandez was seen at Lloyd's home in Dorchester.

FOX 25 also confirmed that the hard drive to Hernandez's home video surveillance system was heavily damaged when state police investigators went to his house."

New info. paints clearer picture of N. Attleboro homicide probe - Boston News, Weather, Sports | FOX 25 | MyFoxBoston

I wonder what he was doing at Lloyd's house? Cleaning up evidence? Getting drugs/money?

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He's probably very good at destroying video evidence he learned from the master.
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haha you're a dick
I'm just saying if you have to smash a cell phone and security camera, odds are there is more evidence that you missed.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:17 PM   #244
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It's starting to look like he's going to need a dream team of lawyers to save him...
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:29 PM   #245
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I'm sure there's an explanation for all of this.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:37 PM   #246
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Patriots offseason is awesome. Lose Welker, Gronk surgury, Lloyd cut, and now Muderandez is probably done.
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I'm sure there's an explanation for all of this.
Yep, and that explanation is most likely that he and his friends murdered the guy. Occam's Razor is a b****.
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As each hour passes, leaks about Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez paint an increasingly dire account of his possible connection to the death of Odin Lloyd, whose body was found by police about a mile from Hernandez's home in North Attleboro, Massachusetts on Monday. Sports Illustrated learned earlier today that Hernandez is likely to face charges. Hernandez's side of the story has not yet been told. His attorneys do not have reason to publicly defend him -- and possibly lose leverage in negotiations with law enforcement -- for crimes for which he hasn't been charged. As of now, law enforcement largely controls the outflow of information, but that would change if Hernandez is charged.

If Hernandez is ultimately charged, he could face any of the following wide range of charges:

Accessory Before the Fact

If Hernandez is charged with accessory before the fact, it would be based on him allegedly providing assistance to the person or persons who later murdered Lloyd. Accessory before the fact requires more than simply knowing a crime is going to take place -- it requires actual assistance to the person or persons who committed the crime and an intent to see the crime happen. Assistance in the form of planning, funding or encouragement would likely satisfy the charge. But Hernandez merely being in the car implicated in the homicide would probably not be enough -- prosecutors would have to show he was more than a bystander or onlooker.

Accessory before the fact is a very serious charge because the person charged can face the same penalty as the person who committed the crime. In other words, a person who aids a murderer before the act can face the same penalty as the murderer. A charge of this type sometimes entails witnesses testifying against one another to save themselves.

Accessory After the Fact

If Hernandez was charged with accessory after the fact, the charge would be based on Hernandez assisting the principal felon after Lloyd was shot. This could center on Hernandez harboring the shooter or destroying evidence that might implicate the shooter. If verified, reports that Hernandez destroyed surveillance equipment and his cell phone, and that cleaners cleaned his home a day after the alleged shooting, could help prosecutors prove Hernandez was an accessory after the fact.

The maximum penalty for accessory after the fact is seven years in prison, though sentences can be much lighter, especially for someone without a criminal record.

Conspiracy

If Hernandez is charged with conspiracy, the charge would be based on Hernandez intentionally joining at least one other person to carry out an unlawful plan. Conspiracy is similar to accessory but is similar to accessory but requires joint involvement. In Massachusetts, a person charged with conspiracy in a murder can face a maximum of 20 years in prison. The absence of a past criminal record usually leads to a much lighter penalty than the maximum.

Defenses

If Hernandez is charged with any crime, we would hear from his attorneys about alleged weaknesses in the police's account of what took place. A perceived gap in the police's time line of events and inconsistent statements from witnesses are plausible arguments. Some type of alibi for Hernandez's whereabouts would also be offered. Prosecutors also have to prove any charges beyond a reasonable doubt - not an easy task, especially when the defendant has substantial financial resources to assemble a top legal team.

Bottom line

If Hernandez is charged, some of the possible crimes would carry very lengthy maximum sentences. Hernandez's attorneys, however, would offer defenses and points of information that rebuke law enforcement's assertions. Also, if Hernandez is convicted, he would likely receive a much lesser penalty than the maximum because he would be a first-time offender. Cooperation with law enforcement, willingness to implicate others, acceptance of fault and demonstration of contrition would also be viewed favorably by a sentencing judge.

Still, if Hernandez is charged with a crime in connection to Lloyd's death, he would probably be facing at least a few years in prison rather a few months in jail.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2WoLY4CeZ


good luck dodging all that.
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I'm gonna go ahead an say Colonel Mustard.
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As each hour passes, leaks about Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez paint an increasingly dire account of his possible connection to the death of Odin Lloyd, whose body was found by police about a mile from Hernandez's home in North Attleboro, Massachusetts on Monday. Sports Illustrated learned earlier today that Hernandez is likely to face charges. Hernandez's side of the story has not yet been told. His attorneys do not have reason to publicly defend him -- and possibly lose leverage in negotiations with law enforcement -- for crimes for which he hasn't been charged. As of now, law enforcement largely controls the outflow of information, but that would change if Hernandez is charged.

If Hernandez is ultimately charged, he could face any of the following wide range of charges:

Accessory Before the Fact

If Hernandez is charged with accessory before the fact, it would be based on him allegedly providing assistance to the person or persons who later murdered Lloyd. Accessory before the fact requires more than simply knowing a crime is going to take place -- it requires actual assistance to the person or persons who committed the crime and an intent to see the crime happen. Assistance in the form of planning, funding or encouragement would likely satisfy the charge. But Hernandez merely being in the car implicated in the homicide would probably not be enough -- prosecutors would have to show he was more than a bystander or onlooker.

Accessory before the fact is a very serious charge because the person charged can face the same penalty as the person who committed the crime. In other words, a person who aids a murderer before the act can face the same penalty as the murderer. A charge of this type sometimes entails witnesses testifying against one another to save themselves.

Accessory After the Fact

If Hernandez was charged with accessory after the fact, the charge would be based on Hernandez assisting the principal felon after Lloyd was shot. This could center on Hernandez harboring the shooter or destroying evidence that might implicate the shooter. If verified, reports that Hernandez destroyed surveillance equipment and his cell phone, and that cleaners cleaned his home a day after the alleged shooting, could help prosecutors prove Hernandez was an accessory after the fact.

The maximum penalty for accessory after the fact is seven years in prison, though sentences can be much lighter, especially for someone without a criminal record.

Conspiracy

If Hernandez is charged with conspiracy, the charge would be based on Hernandez intentionally joining at least one other person to carry out an unlawful plan. Conspiracy is similar to accessory but is similar to accessory but requires joint involvement. In Massachusetts, a person charged with conspiracy in a murder can face a maximum of 20 years in prison. The absence of a past criminal record usually leads to a much lighter penalty than the maximum.

Defenses

If Hernandez is charged with any crime, we would hear from his attorneys about alleged weaknesses in the police's account of what took place. A perceived gap in the police's time line of events and inconsistent statements from witnesses are plausible arguments. Some type of alibi for Hernandez's whereabouts would also be offered. Prosecutors also have to prove any charges beyond a reasonable doubt - not an easy task, especially when the defendant has substantial financial resources to assemble a top legal team.

Bottom line

If Hernandez is charged, some of the possible crimes would carry very lengthy maximum sentences. Hernandez's attorneys, however, would offer defenses and points of information that rebuke law enforcement's assertions. Also, if Hernandez is convicted, he would likely receive a much lesser penalty than the maximum because he would be a first-time offender. Cooperation with law enforcement, willingness to implicate others, acceptance of fault and demonstration of contrition would also be viewed favorably by a sentencing judge.

Still, if Hernandez is charged with a crime in connection to Lloyd's death, he would probably be facing at least a few years in prison rather a few months in jail.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2WoLY4CeZ


good luck dodging all that.
Give them a couple more days and he will be under arrest.

I don't see this guy playing any football this year other than for a warden a la "The Longest Yard"
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