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Old 06-19-2013, 04:07 PM   #51
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Clady - Beadles - Kuper - Vasquez - Franklin

That's a lot of talent right there.
I just wonder if Kuper can master the position in time, and if he can stay healthy.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:11 PM   #52
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I just wonder if Kuper can master the position in time, and if he can stay healthy.
If an interior lineman can pull, he can play any of the interior spots.

This is going about snap chemistry between he and Manning and how highly the FO regards Ramirez at C.
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If an interior lineman can pull, he can play any of the interior spots.

This is going about snap chemistry between he and Manning and how highly the FO regards Ramirez at C.
I think there's less "pulling" for centers than the guards. IDK O-line is probably my weakest position in terms of football knowledge (I played DB/KR and some WR). But I think the fact that Tom Nalen brought up the possibility of Kuper moving to center means it's a possibility. I'd defer to Nalen's judgement on that one.
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I think there's less "pulling" for centers than the guards. IDK O-line is probably my weakest position in terms of football knowledge (I played DB/KR and some WR). But I think the fact that Tom Nalen brought up to possibility of Kuper moving to center, means it's a possibility. I'd defer to Nalen's judgement on that one.
It's not about centers pulling, it's about having the ability and quickness to get to the second level. Good pulling has the same skillset dimension.
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It's not about centers pulling, it's about having the ability and quickness to get to the second level. Good pulling has the same skillset dimension.
From what I understand, the Center is more about vision than anything else, since they're usually supplemental blockers and used to pick up blitzes. That is, centers are often the least athletic, but most intelligent players on the line.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:48 PM   #56
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Also, I think Ramirez is more than capable of being a quality starter in the NFL. He struggled a bit last year, but I've seen flashed out of him.

I went to TC last year, and I noticed Ramirez was dominating.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:57 PM   #57
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Should have drafted Barrett Jones. Too bad for JD. He's cut when he gets healthy.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:59 PM   #58
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Should have drafted Barrett Jones. Too bad for JD. He's cut when he gets healthy.
So we should have drafted a guy that will probably miss part of the year with a bad ankle to replace a guy that hurt his ankle again?
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:00 PM   #59
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Koppen came in and vastly exceeded what we saw from Walton early on. He's easily the weakest link on that o-line. Bring back Koppen or let's see what Blake can do.
Seriously? Are you going there again? Hmm, let's see. We'll break it down for you all just 1 last time. Let's see if it sinks in finally.


Walton was there at the beginning when everything was totally brand new. A new QB who wasn't sure how he was going to play. A totally new offensive system. All those new things you can't possibly expect they would have gelled in the first several games. Now throw in that it was Walton that played the teams that were the hardest on the Broncos schedule. Not taking anything away from Koppen but when he came in, the opposing teams were not as challenging and the offense had 4 games and 4 more weeks of additional practice in which to get cohesiveness.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:14 PM   #60
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So we should have drafted a guy that will probably miss part of the year with a bad ankle to replace a guy that hurt his ankle again?
Good point. I wouldn't be surprised to see him gut it out to start the year though if needed. Walton didn't even make it to July.
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Old 06-19-2013, 06:05 PM   #61
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Kuper shouldn't be going anywhere. He's good value, a team leader, knows the system and with the injuries, they're going to hope for his return.

That last thing you want during a SB run is a bunch of new pieces on the offensive line.
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Old 06-19-2013, 06:47 PM   #62
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Seriously? Are you going there again? Hmm, let's see. We'll break it down for you all just 1 last time. Let's see if it sinks in finally.


Walton was there at the beginning when everything was totally brand new. A new QB who wasn't sure how he was going to play. A totally new offensive system. All those new things you can't possibly expect they would have gelled in the first several games. Now throw in that it was Walton that played the teams that were the hardest on the Broncos schedule. Not taking anything away from Koppen but when he came in, the opposing teams were not as challenging and the offense had 4 games and 4 more weeks of additional practice in which to get cohesiveness.
Sorry, Walton is just not very good. I'll never understand why some of you seem so dead set on defending a guy who has never shown anything special as a starter.
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Old 06-19-2013, 07:09 PM   #63
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Manning could go talk Saturday out of retirement.
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Old 06-19-2013, 07:22 PM   #64
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Manning could go talk Saturday out of retirement.
Anyone on our roster is better than Saturday right now. He's absolutely done. He decided he was done during last season - just chose to give up his spot and not compete. Scratch him off the list.
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Old 06-19-2013, 07:26 PM   #65
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I am honestly surprised people are sad about this as much hate as this guy gets.
I know, right?
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Old 06-19-2013, 07:40 PM   #66
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Kuper shouldn't be going anywhere. He's good value, a team leader, knows the system and with the injuries, they're going to hope for his return.

That last thing you want during a SB run is a bunch of new pieces on the offensive line.
Agreed, I wouldn't mind seeing him at either C or RG, either way he will make our OL better.
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This is a much bigger deal early in the season than it is in June. Plenty of time to get it worked out especially when the FO was able to provide a seamless transition in a worse situation last year.
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:13 PM   #68
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I for one do believe that Kuper can be our center. I do seem to recall that he was a backup long snapper on FG and punts, thus has some experience snapping, albeit on special teams...
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:12 PM   #69
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Kuper shouldn't be going anywhere. He's good value, a team leader, knows the system and with the injuries, they're going to hope for his return.

That last thing you want during a SB run is a bunch of new pieces on the offensive line.
Kuper hasn't been a good value for 3 year. You have to play to be a good value.
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The best thing about this situation for the Broncos is this is a contract year for Walton. Maybe Denver can sign him to a long term REASONABLE contract in the offseason.
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:42 AM   #71
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The best thing about this situation for the Broncos is this is a contract year for Walton. Maybe Denver can sign him to a long term REASONABLE contract in the offseason.
He stunk anyways.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:54 AM   #72
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He stunk anyways.
He played well in 2011. He is a better run blocker. I think he would be a fine center at the right price. Lock him up for 5 years and not worry about the position, unless of course he keeps getting injured.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:26 AM   #73
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This is a much bigger deal early in the season than it is in June. Plenty of time to get it worked out especially when the FO was able to provide a seamless transition in a worse situation last year.
Exactly but an injured Chris Kuper is of no real use to them until he can see the field and learn the OC spot. They have to sign Koppen IMHO, it's the only feasible option at this point. If Kuper was fit and ready to practice that would be a different scenario.
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Walton always seemed to get pushed back into the backfield IMO.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:55 AM   #75
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Exactly but an injured Chris Kuper is of no real use to them until he can see the field and learn the OC spot. They have to sign Koppen IMHO, it's the only feasible option at this point. If Kuper was fit and ready to practice that would be a different scenario.
why? Center is the LEAST important position for Manning. He makes all the calls and shifts. You need someone that can snap well and keep from getting pushed at the LOS. The team has depth and there is no reason to not give them a chance. If that doesn't work, there are always going to be centers available.
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