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Old 06-16-2013, 02:14 PM   #76
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We need a whole new label for Obama.

1-socially liberal

2-Fiscally liberal spender/taxer

3-hawk- not afraid to breach other countries soverignty if he thinks its in our interests. Kept most of the Bush war on terror going. Keeps wanting bigger and better weapons. Might just be getting his own war here in Syria.

4-liberal constitutional beliefs- NSA spying, killing of americans with no trial, investigating reporters.

5- hip - He is all up in social media and how young people get down.

7- then last what i guess they all are A BIG HUGE FAT LIAR THAT IF ANYTHING IS WORST. Change and Hope? Get the **** out!
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:45 AM   #77
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Dude thats what i am saying we have no idea what he is. He believes in a big govt that you have no idea what its doing. Big govt can take on many forms and obviously when it comes to our rights he is a lot like Cheney. He's an ends justify the means sort of person IMO.

So just because I say he is very liberal when it comes to spending and how involved govt should be in the markets, I can't say man this guy is just like Stalin when it comes to using the govt to attack his enemies? Hell no he can and is both of thost people.

Really liberals should be the most upset. You finally got who you thought would be this great liberal reformer and instead you got a mixture of super liberal and authoritarian dictator. Congrats.
What a load of crap.we've admitted long ago that Obama is more centrist .it's you righties that label him a liberal socialist Muslim lover.the problem is that your candidates are so far right that that is why they keep losing.
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:46 AM   #78
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What a load of crap.we've admitted long ago that Obama is more centrist .it's you righties that label him a liberal socialist Muslim lover.the problem is that your candidates are so far right that that is why they keep losing.
Quick question. Was Reagan a 'centrist?'
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:11 AM   #79
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Quick question. Was Reagan a 'centrist?'
No. And he would be entirely rejected by your party today, which is why everyone says the Republicans continually stake out positions further and further to the right, and then demand to be met in the "middle".

Remember when the ACA was a conservative idea?
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No. And he would be entirely rejected by your party today, which is why everyone says the Republicans continually stake out positions further and further to the right, and then demand to be met in the "middle".

Remember when the ACA was a conservative idea?
Remember when Tax Cuts were a liberal one?

Try harder. Finding something said by someone calling themselves a 'conservative' does not make their idea a conservative idea. Using that standard I could make virtually any idea a Liberal idea at one point or another.

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Old 06-17-2013, 10:24 AM   #81
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Quick question. Was Reagan a 'centrist?'
He raised the deficit.was he a liberal socialist commie pinko?
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He raised the deficit.was he a liberal socialist commie pinko?
Ok, don't answer the question.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:32 AM   #83
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Ok, don't answer the question.
Sucks when you get a taste of your own medicine, doesn't it.
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Sucks when you get a taste of your own medicine, doesn't it.
Whatever floats your boat dude.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:41 AM   #85
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While GWB was in office most "conservatives" called him a "conservative". And then when he was out of office most "conservatives" said they didn't vote for him and he wasn't a "coservative". Most "conservatives" are clearly very confused about this "conservatism" thing.
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While GWB was in office most "conservatives" called him a "conservative". And then when he was out of office most "conservatives" said they didn't vote for him and he wasn't a "coservative". Most "conservatives" are clearly very confused about this "conservatism" thing.
Voting for him and considering him a conservative are two different animals.

Regardless, at least he considers himself one. Does John Kerry?
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What a load of crap.we've admitted long ago that Obama is more centrist .it's you righties that label him a liberal socialist Muslim lover.the problem is that your candidates are so far right that that is why they keep losing.
Umm so you admit something and it makes it a fact huh? Sorry you don't get to define Obama it will be his actions. Facts are he is big govt, big spending, big taxer and an authoritarian take away freedoms type of President. He's the worst thing we have ever had and a total nightmare.

When historians write about his admin it will be nothing good you watch.
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Umm so you admit something and it makes it a fact huh? Sorry you don't get to define Obama it will be his actions. Facts are he is big govt, big spending, big taxer and an authoritarian take away freedoms type of President. He's the worst thing we have ever had and a total nightmare.

When historians write about his admin it will be nothing good you watch.


Cut, the Queen of Hyperbole.
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Obama has went against all that he said he stood for.
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Cut, the Queen of Hyperbole.
wow 3 lol? you are in a good mood tonight. Too bad your hope and change President will go down in the books as a huge failure. When he is done Bush will be more popular them him. !
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The modern "conservative" (in American terms anyway), has nothing to do with conservatism. They are radicals. They espouse a radical ideology that is totally opposed to the previous 100 years of American political evolution. They dismantled the progressive tax system initiated under TR. They dismantled the regulation apparatus built after the hard lessons of the Depression. They have attacked some of the primary foundations of this republic, like separation of church and state, for thirty years. They have effectively neutered every hard fought environmental protection instituted since the 60s, and now they are going after the progress we made in racial equality. Their policies have created a corporate-centric state with an almost feudalistic disparity of income to show for it.

The country bequeathed to us by the Greatest Generation after WWII has been entirely dismantled and left in smoking ruin by these "conservatives." And they're not done yet. Now they're going after government itself. They simply throw sand in the gears and bring the entire apparatus to a halt, pushing the government into sequester and killing whatever meager recovery was beginning to happen.

By any political definition, that is a radical agenda. Perhaps you could argue that they are reactionary radicals, but the utopia of a no-government world they envision has never existed, so I don't know what fetid nightmare they intend to drag this country back to.
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“No man should receive a dollar unless that dollar has been fairly earned. Every dollar received should represent a dollar's worth of service rendered, not gambling in stocks, but service rendered."
Teddy Roosevelt

That's what the Republican Party sounded like a hundred years ago.
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And today the democratic party sounds like this.

2008 Obama - GWB surviellance of Americans is illegal and must stop!
2013 obama - You can't have security and privacy too!
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And today the democratic party sounds like this.

2008 Obama - GWB surviellance of Americans is illegal and must stop!
2013 obama - You can't have security and privacy too!
Clumsy deflection.
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Err radicals, and um the corp influence and err wall street. Meanwhile the real radical is Obama and he's a trainwreck.
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so no man should make money off stocks or the repub party is radical. Yeah and I am the one that is clumsy. Say it ain't so Rho!
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Meanwhile the real radical is Obama...
Wait, just a couple of days ago you said we can't tell what he is, and that's he's "just like Cheney". Now he's a radical? When are you going to make up your mind on this? You're either confused, or stupid, or both.
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Err radicals, and um the corp influence and err wall street. Meanwhile the real radical is Obama and he's a trainwreck.
Obama is too much of a centrist and an incrementalist for my tastes, but a large percentage of his failures as a president lie at the doorstep of a radical Republican movement intent from day one on destroying his presidency and stalling any and all rightful government operation.
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so no man should make money off stocks or the repub party is radical. Yeah and I am the one that is clumsy. Say it ain't so Rho!
To be consciously obtuse is to risk being seen as an idiot.
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Oh I get it Rho. It's the repubs fault again. If repubs in power its the repubs fault. If repubs not in power its still the repubs fault.
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