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Old 06-14-2013, 09:07 AM   #26
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Yeah, totally. Why have jobs for those Americans?

That's why we have food stamps.
Read houghtam's post #20, genius. American workers don't want those jobs.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:10 AM   #27
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Read houghtam's post above, genius. American workers don't want those jobs.
There are no jobs Americans don't want. There are jobs Americans don't want at the $4 an hour an illegal migrant might accept. It all ties together.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:14 AM   #28
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There are no jobs Americans don't want.
Of course there are. I can give you half a dozen positions in my town alone where legal (and possibly illegal) migrant workers [most are here with refugee status] fill up those positions and make a solid wage that most people here tend to avoid because that sort of work is "beneath" them.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:18 AM   #29
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There are no jobs Americans don't want. There are jobs Americans don't want at the $4 an hour an illegal migrant might accept. It all ties together.
You still didn't read houghtam's post. Even when such low skilled but labor intensive jobs pay $12 an hour, people don't want them.

Additionally, your post assumes that the employer would simply raise their wages to attract American workers if they could be successfully forced to dump their illegals. The reality is that many would simply go out of business.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:29 AM   #30
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There are no jobs Americans don't want. There are jobs Americans don't want at the $4 an hour an illegal migrant might accept. It all ties together.
You didn't watch the hearings, either.

These things are all on public record, people. You can watch them live (or a few hours after they happened) and unedited.

The idea that there are no jobs Americans don't want is a myth, pure and simple.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:30 AM   #31
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You still didn't read houghtam's post. Even when such low skilled but labor intensive jobs pay $12 an hour, people don't want them.

Additionally, your post assumes that the employer would simply raise their wages to attract American workers if they could be successfully forced to dump their illegals. The reality is that many would simply go out of business.
Not true. If all their competitors are allowed cheap illegal labor while they're forced to pay full market they'll go out of business. Which is why a piecemeal approach doesn't work.

But its crazy to think necessary work will just stop being done. Its ironic that you think businesses that can't afford a decent wage have no alternative but closing up shop.
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Old 06-18-2013, 05:56 PM   #32
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We’re in a demographic death spiral as a party, and the only way we can get back in good graces with the Hispanic community, in my view, is pass comprehensive immigration reform. If you don’t do that, it really doesn’t matter who will run, in my view.
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Old 06-18-2013, 06:43 PM   #33
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OK. Sure.

But the economy is the big issue. We are on the verge of another meltdown that will make 2008 look like a warm up.

Why else are we arming Al Qaeda in Syria? For those who are slow and don't get it, here's the answer: to distract and divert us from the criminals on Wall Street who

1. were complicit in 9/11

2. were responsible for the 2008 meltdown, and

3. will use the next economic meltdown as a pretext to

a. steal your bank account

b. rob your pension

c. devalue the US dollar so you can't pay your bills, and

transform you and all of your kin into serfs.

If that isn't enough to wake you up, nothing will.

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Living in Southern California...we need reform and now.

For ****s sake prime time target/kohls commercials are in Spanish!
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