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Old 05-26-2013, 02:22 PM   #51
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I just learned about this. MHG

U.S. military to step up presence in Jordan in light of Syria civil war
By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent
April 19, 2013 --


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Old 05-26-2013, 02:24 PM   #52
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Gerald Celente tells it like it is.

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GERALD CELENTE: CRASH, DEPRESSION, CURRENCY WARS, TRADE WARS, THEN REAL WARS- THE END GAME APPROACHES

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Old 05-26-2013, 02:34 PM   #53
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Gaffo is upset that the USSR collapsed?
In the 1990s the Bank of New York -- at the urging of the US intelligence community -- set up a wire transfer scam to money launder billions out of Russia.

Ro and W*gs apparently approve of this raping of another country -- which notice -- was not part of a US plan to defeat the USSR as it happened in the 1990s - AFTER the end of the Cold War. It was rape pure and simple.

But hey -- BoNY also rapes Americans. Check out this analysis by Harry Marcopolis -- who helped bring down Bernie Madoff. Marcopolis has been investigating BoNY -- and explains how they ripped off US pension funds -- to the tune of at least $10 billion.

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldne...arkopolos.html

W*gs and Ro cheer the raping of Russia -- do they support this as well?

The case shows just how wacked out they are. Typical crazy ignorant Americans. MHG

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Old 05-26-2013, 06:40 PM   #54
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But the REAL story is the how BoNY laundered $ billions in the days after 9/11.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/Colla...fund_trust.pdf

Scroll to the top of page 31.

It as never been explained why the "fails" in the securities market were concentrated at BoNY -- and which in one week alone totaled more than $100 billion.

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Old 05-26-2013, 07:34 PM   #55
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Gerald Celente tells it like it is.

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GERALD CELENTE: CRASH, DEPRESSION, CURRENCY WARS, TRADE WARS, THEN REAL WARS- THE END GAME APPROACHES

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A mideast with no Iran, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya leaves the region to chaos and extremism. Then we come in and steal all the oil because the govts wont be strong enough to stop us. After that the plan is to deal with China by giving them the green light on taking back Tiawan. In exchange they let us destory N Korea. Vietnam cries foul because they thought we would help them with China, instead we take the over claiming the Vietnam war never ended either. It either ends with is winning or nothing. Canada? we are still pissed about the war of 1812 so in retaliation we kill Justin Bieber. But the plan backfires and Canada is so pleased the ask to join the union. Good news is we accept, bad news is both the USA and our new State of Canada attack Mexico on the same day we announce all mexicans are no legal Americans. We don't stop until we get to Brazil!

Dude I could totally see it.
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Old 05-28-2013, 03:19 PM   #57
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The EU has just ended its ban on weapons deliveries to the Islamic rebels in Syria. This may have convinced Russia to go ahead with a sale of ground to air defensive missiles to the Assad gov't.

It is instructive that although these are defensive missiles -- intended to protect Syria from air attack -- Israel has called them a "threat" and says it will not allow them to be deployed.

This is consistent with Israel's military doctrine which stresses of freedom of movement above all else. The defensive missiles -- if deployed -- while not a threat to Israel would limit its freedom of movement. In other words, its capacity to violate Syrian airspace.

Very likely the region will explode before the Russian missiles become a a factor. It will take Syria a year to learn how to run the system. MHG

Israel Warns Russia Over Syria Missiles

By Josef Federman

May 29, 2013 "Information Clearing House" -"AP"
-- Israel's defence chief said Tuesday a Russian plan to supply sophisticated anti-aircraft missiles to Syria was a "threat" and signalled that Israel is prepared to use force to stop the delivery.

The warning by Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon ratcheted up tensions with Moscow over the planned sale of S-300 air-defence missiles to Syria. Earlier in the day, a top Russian official said his government remained committed to the deal.

Israel has been lobbying Moscow to halt the sale, fearing the missiles would upset the balance of power in the region and could slip into the hands of hostile groups, including the Lebanese militia Hezbollah, a close ally of the Syrian regime.

Israel has carried out several airstrikes in Syria in recent months that are believed to have destroyed weapons shipments bound for Hezbollah. Israel has not confirmed carrying out the attacks.

The delivery of the Russian missiles to Syria could limit the Israeli air force's ability to act. It is not clear whether Israeli warplanes entered Syrian airspace in these attacks.

Earlier this month, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu travelled to Russia to discuss the Syrian situation with President Vladimir Putin. The sides have said little about the talks, but the S-300s were believed to have been on the agenda.

"Clearly this move is a threat to us," Yaalon told reporters Tuesday when asked about the planned Russian sale.

"At this stage I can't say there is an escalation. The shipments have not been sent on their way yet. And I hope that they will not be sent," he said. But "if God forbid they do reach Syria, we will know what to do."

Since the Syrian conflict erupted in March 2011, Israel repeatedly has voiced concerns that Syria's sophisticated arsenal, including chemical weapons, could either be transferred to Hezbollah, a bitter enemy of Israel, or fall into the hands of rebels battling Syrian President Bashar Assad. The rebels include al-Qaida-affiliated groups that Israel believes could turn their attention toward Israel if they topple Assad.

Syria already possesses Russian-made air defences, and Israel is believed to have used long-distance bombs fired from Israeli or Lebanese airspace. The S-300s would expand Syria's capabilities, allowing it to counter airstrikes launched from foreign airspace as well.

In Moscow, Russia's deputy foreign minister, Sergei Ryabkov, wouldn't say whether Russia has shipped any of the S-300s, which have a range of up to 200km and the capability to track and strike multiple targets simultaneously. But he insisted that Moscow isn't going to abandon the deal despite strong Western and Israeli criticism.

"We understand the concerns and signals sent to us from different capitals. We realize that many of our partners are concerned about the issue," Ryabkov said. "We have no reason to revise our stance."

He said the missiles could be a deterrent against foreign intervention in Syria and would not be used against Syrian rebels, who do not have an air force.

"We believe that such steps to a large extent help restrain some `hotheads' considering a scenario to give an international dimension to this conflict," he said.

Russia has been the key ally of the Syrian regime, protecting it from United Nations sanctions and providing it with weapons despite the civil war there that has claimed over 70,000 lives.

In any case, an open confrontation between Israel and Russia would seem to be months away. Russian military analysts say it would take at least one year for Syrian crews to learn how to operate the S-300s, and the training will involve a live drill with real ammunition at a Russian shooting range. There has been no evidence that any such training has begun.

If Russia were to deliver the missiles to Syria, Israeli and Western intelligence would likely detect the shipment, and Israel would have ample time to strike before the system is deployed.

Ryabkov's statement came a day after European Union's decision to lift an arms embargo against Syrian rebels. He criticized the EU decision, saying it would help fuel the conflict.

Israel's defence chief spoke at an annual civil defence drill to prepare for missile attacks on Israel. This year's exercise comes at a time of heightened concerns that Israel could be dragged into the Syrian civil war.

A number of mortar shells from the fighting in Syria have landed in the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights. While Israel believes most of the fire has been errant, it has accused Syria of firing intentionally at Israeli targets on several occasions, and last week the sides briefly exchanged fire.

Israel's civil defence chief, Home Front Minister Gilad Erdan, said this week's drill was not specifically connected to the tensions with Syria.

"But of course we must take into consideration that something like that might happen in the near future because of what we see in Syria, and because we know that chemical weapons exist in Syria and might fall to the hands of radical Muslim terror groups," he said.

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Old 06-07-2013, 12:27 PM   #58
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Must read -- excellent historical review by Pat Buchanan -- summarizes what Syria is all about - -and why it's a proxie war. MHG

The Unraveling of Sykes-Picot

By Patrick Buchanan

May 29, 2013 "Information Clearing House"
- The thrice-promised land it has been called.

It is that land north of Mecca and Medina and south of Anatolia, between the Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf.

In 1915 — that year of Gallipoli, which forced the resignation of First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill — Britain, to win Arab support for its war against the Ottoman Turks, committed, in the McMahon Agreement, to the independence of these lands under Arab rule.

It was for this that Lawrence of Arabia and the Arabs fought.

In November 1917, however, one month before Gen. Allenby led his army into Jerusalem, Lord Balfour, in a letter to Baron Rothschild, declared that His Majesty’s government now looked with favor up on the creation on these same lands of a national homeland for the Jewish people.

Between these clashing commitments there had been struck in 1916 a secret deal between Britain’s Mark Sykes and France’s Francois Georges-Picot. With the silent approval of czarist Russia, which had been promised Istanbul, these lands were subdivided and placed under British and French rule.

France got Syria and Lebanon. Britain took Transjordan, Palestine and Iraq, and carved out Kuwait.

Vladimir Lenin discovered the Sykes-Picot treaty in the czar’s archives and published it, so the world might see what the Great War was truly all about. Sykes-Picot proved impossible to reconcile with Woodrow Wilson’s declaration that he and the allies — the British, French, Italian, Russian and Japanese empires — were all fighting “to make the world safe for democracy.”

Imperial hypocrisy stood naked and exposed.

Wilson’s idealistic Fourteen Points, announced early in 1918, were crafted to recapture the moral high ground. Yet it was out of the implementation of Sykes-Picot that so much Arab hostility and hatred would come — and from which today’s Middle East emerged.

Nine decades on, the Sykes-Picot map of the Middle East seems about to undergo revision, and a new map, its borders drawn in blood, emerge, along the lines of what H.G. Wells called the “natural borders” of mankind.

“There is a natural and necessary political map of the world,” Wells wrote, “which transcends” these artificial states, and this natural map of mankind would see nations established on the basis of language, culture, creed, race and tribe. The natural map of the Middle East has begun to assert itself.

Syria is disintegrating, with Alawite Shia fighting Sunni, Christians siding with Damascus, Druze divided, and Kurds looking to break free and unite with their kinfolk in Turkey, Iraq and Iran. Their dream: a Kurdistani nation rooted in a common ethnic identity.

Shia Hezbollah controls the south of Lebanon, and with Shia Iran is supporting the Shia-led army and regime of Bashar Assad.

Together, they are carving out a sub-nation from Damascus to Homs to the Mediterranean. The east and north of Syria could be lost to the Sunni rebels and the Al-Nusra Front, an ally of al-Qaida.

Sectarian war is now spilling over into Lebanon.

Iraq, too, seems to be disintegrating. The Kurdish enclave in the north is acting like an independent nation, cutting oil deals with Ankara.

Sunni Anbar in the west is supporting Sunni rebels across the border in Syria. And the Shia regime in Baghdad is being scourged by Sunni terror that could reignite the civil-sectarian war of 2006-2007, this time without Gen. Petraeus’ U.S. troops to negotiate a truce or tamp it down.

Sunni Turkey is home to 15 million Kurds and 15 million Shia. And its prime minister’s role as middle man between Qatari and Saudi arms shipments and Syria’s Sunni rebels is unappreciated by his own people.

Seeing the Shia crescent — Hezbollah in Lebanon, Assad’s Syria, Nuri al-Maliki’s Iraq, the Ayatollah’s Iran — imperiled by the potential loss of its Syrian linchpin, Tehran and Hezbollah seem willing to risk far more in this Syrian war than does the Sunni coalition of Saudis, Qataris and Turks.

Who dares, wins.

Though the Turks have a 400,000-man, NATO-equipped army, a population three times that of Syria and an economy 12 times as large, and they are, with the Israelis, the strongest nations in the region, they appear to want the Americans to deal with their problem.

President Obama is to be commended for resisting neocon and liberal interventionist clamors to get us into yet another open-ended war. For we have no vital interest in Assad’s overthrow.

We have lived with him and his father for 40 years. And what did our intervention in Libya to oust Moammar Gadhafi produce but a failed state, the Benghazi atrocity, and the spread of al-Qaida into Mali and Niger?

Why should Americans die for a Sunni triumph in Syria? At best, we might bring about a new Muslim Brotherhood regime in Damascus, as in Cairo. At worst, we could get a privileged sanctuary for that al-Qaida affiliate, the Al-Nusra Front.

As the Sykes-Picot borders disappear and the nations created by the mapmakers of Paris in 1919-1920 disintegrate, a Muslim Thirty Years’ War may be breaking out in the thrice-promised land.

It is not, and it should not become, America’s war.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?” To find out more about Patrick Buchanan and read features by other Creators writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators webpage at www.creators.com .

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Great article.

Just like the 30ywar, the greed of the mercenaries and whole cities are torn down by the evil motivator...we are the mercenaries just as Russia is on the other side tearing down to gain tread. War is mistakenly recorded as a series of battles over a period of time when in reality it is culmination of one parties basic greed over another's. I hate war but love democracy so my form of greed is forcing free will of democracy on countries that may not be ready for or necessarily want democracy. All men are entitled to certain rights but they may not choose to these rights....good v evil does abound at its most basic level. One mans free will should not come at the expense of another's or the purposes of democracy cannot exist for both. Russia has learned their lesson with the US but now has China on their side...so it's a new game.

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...most Syria hawks see the conflict as a contest between the U.S. and Iran that the U.S. is supposed to win. The goal is not to “interpose” American power between the warring parties, but to throw the weight of the U.S. behind one side to deliver a knockout blow to the other. Most Syria hawks are Syria hawks because they are hawkish on Iran, and view the conflict in Syria in those terms. They are very clear on whom they want to fight and why. They also happen to be horribly wrong.

According to Noah’s definition, it makes no sense to speak of Syria hawks because Syria’s government is not our enemy, but for Syria hawks it is just one of many. This is why Syria hawks consider U.S. “action” in Syria to be imperative, and it is why everyone else in the real world wants nothing to do with the conflict.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:15 AM   #61
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If we actually ever learned anything from history, we would figure out a way to draw Iran deeper into Syria while we stay the **** out.
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On strictly humanitarian grounds, I can't agree. For one thing, Putin is the most repugnant thug I can think of. Unfortunately, there seems to be no good alternative. Who knows what will come out of this civil war? Totally unpredictable. I can't agree with the policy of stability at all costs, though. Usually, the foundation of such a policy is simply the old dictum, "What's good for business..." Human beings have to start looking for other philosophical foundations for policy making. It's simply more greed-based thinking. I do agree that we have to exterminate religious fundamentalism. It's time to leave the Medieval world behind.

America has a hard time letting other countries decide their own fates. We need to start working on that. If we would become more energy self-sufficient, we would find that what happens in places like Syria is pretty much unimportant to us on most levels. I'm afraid we'll stick our noses in it just because Israel has such a long and successful history of dragging us into its business. We should provide humanitarian aid where possible. That's it.

I wonder when the American government is going to start nation-building in America?
What about GW Bush and Dick Cheney?

If you look at numbers -- the total of dead bodies -- Bush/Cheney were worse than Putin, by far.
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Old 06-13-2013, 05:32 PM   #63
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I read Joel Rosenberg's book "Epicenter" back in 2007. He told what he thought bible prophecies of the end of times meant for today. Crazy how a lot of what he said makes sense. Here is a clip from when he was on that crazy Glenn Beck's show when Glenn was on HLN. Skip to about 1 minute into the clip.

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This is so ****ing stupid. I don't give a **** if they are using chemical weapons. That's still a less awful result that allowing Islamists aligned with Al Qaeda to win.

****ing think. Do not arm the rebels. Stability first. If you want to help the residents provide some financial incentives for friendly neighboring countries to accept refugees....NOT ****ing support Islamists.
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I feel for the legit citizens of Syria but if we were going to help them we should have done so long ago before the Islamists joined the revolution. But hey, nothing like a war to make the public forget the current scandals plaguing the administration.
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Bill Clinton said that if Obama doesn't step in he risks being seen as a wussy. Watch now Obama will do something.
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