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Old 06-01-2013, 09:43 PM   #101
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Holy shiat. You actually believe that Elway is "actively looking" to replace a head coach who turned around a complete disaster into a legitimate Super Bowl contender in two years. Blow the team up and start over again. This is what you actually believe. Of course you do.
Let's do a quick review here, genius. Denver as the #1 seed loses a home playoff game, totally out-coached on both sides of the ball. The only way they're even in the game is Trindon Holliday and the ST return game have an NFL history day.

Elway if he's doing his job correctly better be looking to get a new HC next year if Fox stumblebums in the playoffs again. If you disagree, you're one dumb fool.
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Old 06-01-2013, 10:06 PM   #102
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Let's do a quick review here, genius. Denver as the #1 seed loses a home playoff game, totally out-coached on both sides of the ball. The only way they're even in the game is Trindon Holliday and the ST return game have an NFL history day.

Elway if he's doing his job correctly better be looking to get a new HC next year if Fox stumblebums in the playoffs again. If you disagree, you're one dumb fool.
First of all, you claimed that Elway is "actively looking" to replace Fox. A pants-on-head retarded statement on its own. Now you are adding a third consecutive playoff appearance to Fox's resume before Elway blows up the team? Not at all surprised that you actually believe that.
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Old 06-01-2013, 11:01 PM   #103
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Who said Elway was going to waste this season? Not me. Don't get your panties all wadded up into your brain, son.
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Mind if I ask if he specialized in macro or micro?

In my personal experience, Ive found that homegrown Americans go on to specialize in macro while a lot more of our Asian brothers seem drawn to micro. And it's completely absurd, but I've never personally come across outliers.
BTW Macro is much more suited for academia, or if you want to be an investment banker. There aren't too many private jobs in macro, but the ones that are pull insane cash.

On the other hand, micro has much better practical business aspects like if you're going to run an office of a small business.
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:34 PM   #105
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Smart people are capable of using the tools around them. Smart people are capable of adapting to circumstance. Smart people can see variables around them.

Honestly, McDouche could've used some "second guessing himself". Especially in terms of showing Nolan the door when he was literally the only asset the FO had.
Who wanted Alphonso Smith so badly? Was it McD or Mike Nolan? I think it was Nolan. McD was dumb enough to buy into it though.
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:40 PM   #106
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A good to great coach in today's NFL does not have to be a brilliant X's & O's kind of guy, but he does need to be more than competent. More importantly, I think he needs to be a great leader. The signs are there for Fox. Of course, he needs to win a SB or two to get into the great category, but I think he will.

It is obvious that the players like to play for him, but he also has a very good well-respected staff that is very loyal to him. The only defections are promotions like Allen & McCoy. This is a complement to the HC, and says a lot about his ability to surround himself with very good people, by putting his own ego aside. Do not underestimate this attribute.

McD's ego, amongst other reasons, got the best of him. For example, when he had a good coach, like Nolan who himself was a HC and probably has an ego also, McD tries to micromanage and he eventually chases off a talented coach like Nolan. Then we get stuck with Wink because he will be subservient to the boss.

Anyway, this season will be a big test for Fox, and Manning for that matter. If the team goes 1 and out in the post season, I am not sure he gets fired, but surely Elway will put some heat on him. OTOH, if he gets the Broncos to the SB, then he did his job and he can contemplate his retirement exit into the sunset.
McCoy and the current OC Adam Gase were both hires by McDaniels. The current bigshot in the front office, Matt Russel, was hired by McDaniels. Just saying . . . .
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McCoy and the current OC Adam Gase were both hires by McDaniels. The current bigshot in the front office, Matt Russel, was hired by McDaniels. Just saying . . . .
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:58 PM   #108
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haha, very funny.
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McCoy and the current OC Adam Gase were both hires by McDaniels. The current bigshot in the front office, Matt Russel, was hired by McDaniels. Just saying . . . .
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I've never been a fan of Russell so much. Anyone who had a boner for Cassel is questionable.
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I don't agree with extremists on either side, especially the whole Elway is 'looking" for another coach right now. He only has so many hours in the day, and there are much more important things than actively looking for a coach next season to replace Fox.

But that idea in itself is just ridiculous. Fox was one of the reasons Manning came here. And we all know at this point, Manning loves stability more than anything. So unless Fox has some catastrophic season, he'll most likely get resigned.

Good coaches are hard to find, and looking for the "next one" is even harder, and Elway isn't taking that risk right now.

I don't think many people realize how hard it is to be a winning coach over a sustained period of time.

John Fox is currently 21-11 which is a .656 winning percentage since he's been here. Assuming he wins the division again, that number will go up.

There is no such thing as super bowl or bust....because winning the super bowl requires so many things to go right that are out of control of the coach, team, players and organization!

We have half the playoff wins in the past 2 years than Shanahan's last 10 years...and half the play off appearances too. Thinking Fox is gone after this year even if he has a great year is just asinine unless there is some super hot head coach on the market, but even then.

This sh*t isn't a game, it's peoples lives, and it's a business. Hiring a new coach requires so much restructure, and risk at that...so unless Fox completely sh*ts this season away, he's not going anywhere...and you'd have to be delusional to think otherwise.

Also about McDaniels, it's clear that he wasn't ready but the guy obviously has talent (with some faults)... and he knows he's not ready. That last draft of his was amazing and within less than 2 years, there is a HC on another team that would theoretically, fall under his coaching tree...

People keep faulting him for that 09 draft... I put that on the Broncos organization. You can't expect someone to just get hired and draft within a 3 months.... they obviously had some horrible scouting or everything went with Shanahan.

Nolan has been with 2 teams since he's left here, and many teams prior to here...I highly doubt McDaniels was the only one to butt heads with him.

McDaniels was not ready, but he was far from incapable.
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McCoy and the current OC Adam Gase were both hires by McDaniels. The current bigshot in the front office, Matt Russel, was hired by McDaniels. Just saying . . . .
Completely irrelevant to my post. McCoy & Gase both got promoted because of their work under Fox, not McD. If you disagree with that, you are being disingenuous, and I am being kind with that characterization.

And Matt Russell was promoted under Elway, not McD. This one has very little to do with Fox, so again, it is irrelevant to my point.

Try again. Just saying...
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McCoy worked under Fox in Carolina too, so that's not really an issue.

I think Fox is going to be the coach at least until Manning retires, regardless.
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I don't agree with extremists on either side, especially the whole Elway is 'looking" for another coach right now. He only has so many hours in the day, and there are much more important things than actively looking for a coach next season to replace Fox.

But that idea in itself is just ridiculous. Fox was one of the reasons Manning came here. And we all know at this point, Manning loves stability more than anything. So unless Fox has some catastrophic season, he'll most likely get resigned.

Good coaches are hard to find, and looking for the "next one" is even harder, and Elway isn't taking that risk right now.

I don't think many people realize how hard it is to be a winning coach over a sustained period of time.

John Fox is currently 21-11 which is a .656 winning percentage since he's been here. Assuming he wins the division again, that number will go up.

There is no such thing as super bowl or bust....because winning the super bowl requires so many things to go right that are out of control of the coach, team, players and organization!

We have half the playoff wins in the past 2 years than Shanahan's last 10 years...and half the play off appearances too. Thinking Fox is gone after this year even if he has a great year is just asinine unless there is some super hot head coach on the market, but even then.

This sh*t isn't a game, it's peoples lives, and it's a business. Hiring a new coach requires so much restructure, and risk at that...so unless Fox completely sh*ts this season away, he's not going anywhere...and you'd have to be delusional to think otherwise.

Also about McDaniels, it's clear that he wasn't ready but the guy obviously has talent (with some faults)... and he knows he's not ready. That last draft of his was amazing and within less than 2 years, there is a HC on another team that would theoretically, fall under his coaching tree...

People keep faulting him for that 09 draft... I put that on the Broncos organization. You can't expect someone to just get hired and draft within a 3 months.... they obviously had some horrible scouting or everything went with Shanahan.

Nolan has been with 2 teams since he's left here, and many teams prior to here...I highly doubt McDaniels was the only one to butt heads with him.

McDaniels was not ready, but he was far from incapable.
On the other hand, Peyton's window is short. Do you waste it on a timid coach? Fox already admitted he blew it in the playoff game by not going for the first down in the series prior to the Raheemination. If Fox goes into timid mode again, why keep him around? Which is why I said Elway is actively looking for a new HC. Maybe "actively" was the wrong word. Should have said maybe "cautiously" looking for a new HC. If Elway is doing his job correctly, he better be cautiously looking for a new HC if Fox manufactures another horrible playoff loss.
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Completely irrelevant to my post. McCoy & Gase both got promoted because of their work under Fox, not McD. If you disagree with that, you are being disingenuous, and I am being kind with that characterization.

And Matt Russell was promoted under Elway, not McD. This one has very little to do with Fox, so again, it is irrelevant to my point.

Try again. Just saying...
Uh huh. Sure, whatever you say. It all happened just like that, yeah. They were all sh*tty guys until Fox and Elway decided to retain them and make something of them somehow.
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Uh huh. Sure, whatever you say. It all happened just like that, yeah.
If you disagree with my statement that McCoy & Gase were promoted primarily for their work under Fox, rather than their work under McD, and Russell for his work under Elway, then instead of being an irritating smart ass, why don't you explain why you think differently.
Please, I want to know if I missed something under the 2 disastrous years mcD had control of this team. Keep in mind that McCoy was nothing but the proverbial figurehead OC under MCD, as McD called the plays until he was fired.

But please, knock yourself out on that one.

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That is your words, not mine. I don't have an opinion of either of their work before Elway & Fox, because while I am sure they were competent and good at what they did, there is nothing that made them stand out beyond Dove Valley until after the Elway & Fox regime was established. Nothing that was public knowledge anyway.

And as Khan pointed out, and I had forgotten about, McCoy worked for Fox in Carolina before he came to Denver. So there's that.

As I said, if you have a different opinion on this issue, please give it, but quit being a ***** just to try to win an argument with a take that no one with any football credibility would believe.
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McCoy worked under Fox in Carolina too, so that's not really an issue.

I think Fox is going to be the coach at least until Manning retires, regardless.
Agreed, and hopefully they both have a Lombardi or two under their belt before they go.
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...because the staff that hired him was fired in Miami.

Nolan didn't just bounce from the Dolphins, Sparano and everyone got ****canned, man.
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Bump for Fox and the Broncos first AFC Championship title since 1998.
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Bump for Fox and the Broncos first AFC Championship title since 1998.


Fox man what a savior after McDaniels. We couldn't be any luckier.

Thanks Elway!
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Great bump for a great coach.

Reading Cito Pelon being completely wrong as always was pretty funny as well
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Fox just seems like a genuinely good guy, the kind of guy who would come over and help you with some roofing or building a backyard rink as long as you have decent beer and order good pizza.
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I love his "Aw shucks" attitude. I'd take a punch for him and I'm just a fan.
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I must say, for all the talk about Fox going to be out coached by Belichick. He was on it yesterday.
Fox was the guy I wanted as HC when we started the search. He has been money on turning the culture around, on hiring assistants and for all the flack we give him about "Fox ball" he has been very successful.

3 straight AFC west crowns, a AFC championship win and so far 2 assistants have been hired as HC's under him during his Broncos run.
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