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Old 05-31-2013, 05:56 PM   #1251
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Nuggs just are one of those teams that's not cut out for success tbh

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Old 05-31-2013, 06:00 PM   #1252
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i'd feel sorry for you... but i'm a long suffering Avs fan.
if they skimp on the Nuggs to pump money into the Avs then i'm all for it.
Oh I think we're both (i.e., Nuggs fans and Avs fans) ****ed. Although for the Avs at least they have a high draft pick to get better.
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:04 PM   #1253
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Old 06-01-2013, 07:07 AM   #1254
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Sad story:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/93...tion-car-crash

Mookie Blaylock in a bad accident. Passenger died, Mookie was on life support for a bit but is off it now.
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:08 PM   #1255
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Oh I think we're both (i.e., Nuggs fans and Avs fans) ****ed. Although for the Avs at least they have a high draft pick to get better.
naw, part of the deal with hiring Sakic and Roy was that the Kroenke's have to spend money and potentially be near the cap.
that's partially why Roy also has a FO title.
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Old 06-01-2013, 05:57 PM   #1256
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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/6/1...de-rumors-2013

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Old 06-01-2013, 07:21 PM   #1257
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LeBron against the world. Looks a lot like the teams he played with in Cleveland.
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Old 06-01-2013, 07:26 PM   #1258
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LeBron against the world. Looks a lot like the teams he played with in Cleveland.
He, himself, wasn't on those teams...but he played with them?
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Old 06-01-2013, 07:41 PM   #1259
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LeBron against the world. Looks a lot like the teams he played with in Cleveland.
He has 2 really expensive role players in Wade and Bosh. If he was smart he would go back to Cleveland and make it up to the city he left hi and dry. Their team has a ton of young talent and he would make them a great team and reverse the bad mojo of that place.

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Old 06-01-2013, 07:46 PM   #1260
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He has 2 really expensive role players in Wade and Bosh. If he was smart he would go back to Cleveland and make it up to the city he left hi and dry. Their team has a ton of young talent and he would make them a great team and reverse the bad mojo of that place.
Wade is legitimately hurt. Bosh is just a prissy little b****.
Hibbert though, he is in the top 2 C's in the NBA. the dude is a defensive beast. he owned LeBron with that offensive foul.
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Old 06-01-2013, 07:54 PM   #1261
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Wade is hurt a lot. It may be time to consider whether or not he's just old. There's a lot of tread on those tires. And it seems like the older he gets, the dirtier he gets. Perhaps he's trying to compensate.
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Old 06-01-2013, 07:55 PM   #1262
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I'd take Hibbert over pretty much any center in the league. His game has elevated in the last year or so. Heat on the other hand well they are being exposed in this series. They ain't the elite lights out best team that maven propagandas in here. Who I'm sure is working.

Spurs are getting cob webs all over them. They gonna be stale coming out in that first game.
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:02 PM   #1263
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I don't remember the last player who's improved as much as Hibbert has since he came into the league. He was literally a stiff. Now, I'm not sure what center I would take ahead of him. Not Howard, that's for sure.
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I don't remember the last player who's improved as much as Hibbert has since he came into the league. He was literally a stiff. Now, I'm not sure what center I would take ahead of him. Not Howard, that's for sure.
Bynum,George(teammate),Love,Marc Gasol,Pekovic,Batum,Anderson,JR Smith,West(teammate),Stoudemire,Arenas,Zbo,Wallace (Gerald),Lawson.

Hibbert has made big strides but it's not unprecedented and not nearly the same as Smith and Gasol's transformation. Smith came in as a dunk artist who wasn't seen as a capable shooter, Gasol was a fat ass throw in trade piece with no real perceived potential.
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:25 PM   #1265
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Bynum? Get serious. The only guy you listed that would be a consideration is Gasol Jr. But I'd take Hibbert, and it wouldn't be a hard decision. And JR Smith has been the same guy forever. Volumn shooter, and that's about it. He could have been much, much more.
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Bynum? Get serious. The only guy you listed that would be a consideration is Gasol Jr. But I'd take Hibbert, and it wouldn't be a hard decision. And JR Smith has been the same guy forever. Volumn shooter, and that's about it. He could have been much, much more.
you said since they came into the league. from draft to the prime of their career or til now those players made as big or even bigger strides than Hibbert in their games.
your original statement was either flawed or you didn't didn't say what you meant. because based upon what you said initially all those guys count.
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:45 PM   #1267
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you said since they came into the league. from draft to the prime of their career or til now those players made as big or even bigger strides than Hibbert in their games.
your original statement was either flawed or you didn't didn't say what you meant. because based upon what you said initially all those guys count.
Bynum has regressed into a pile a dung at the end of the bench.
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:57 PM   #1268
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Old 06-01-2013, 09:06 PM   #1269
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Noah?
Granted, I have a Chicago bias, but watching a hit-or-miss draft prospect turn into pretty much the best case scenario for him has been a lot of fun. Don't know if I'd put him over Hibbert, but he's in the "most improved since drafted" discussion. Also in the "most likely to agitate opposing team into committing a technical" discussion.
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This conversation is matchup driven. A center with an offensive game is a bigger problem for Miami than what Noah does. But in game 7 against New Jersey, against another center with an offensive game, Noah owned the moment. It just depends on the teams involved. Noah can do a lot of things better than Hibbert. But against Miami, there is a premium on low post scoring.

BTW, if Chicag were to be able to draft Jeff Withey, they could move Noah to PF when Withey is on the floor. I think, in time, Withey can develop into a quality center even one with an offensive game. Plus, people should remember that Mirovic might be coming in the next couple of years.

But Boozer is the piece that doesnt fit. If the Bulls had more contribution from Boozer in Miami games (he makes a lot of money), there wouldnt be as many people comparing Noah and Hibbert. Its really the combination of low post scoring from the two teams against Miami that's shaping this discussion. It's somewhat myopic.

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only due to injuries. before that he was considered to be the 2nd best C in the NBA behind only Howard.

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i wanted to list him but he's pretty much what he was supposed to be in a best case scenario.
i love Noah and am a huge Bulls fan. he has really upped his game and turned into one of the best defensive guys in the league.
we need to draft a C to play behind him and stop the insane amount of minutes he plays.

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This conversation is matchup driven. A center with an offensive game is a bigger problem for Miami than what Noah does. But in game 7 against New Jersey, against another center with an offensive game, Noah owned the moment. It just depends on the teams involved. Noah can do a lot of things better than Hibbert. But against Miami, there is a premium on low post scoring.

BTW, if Chicag were to be able to draft Jeff Withey, they could move Noah to PF when Withey is on the floor. I think, in time, Withey can develop into a quality center even one with an offensive game. Plus, people should remember that Mirovic might be coming in the next couple of years.

But Boozer is the piece that doesnt fit. If the Bulls had more contribution from Boozer in Miami games (he makes a lot of money), there wouldnt be as many people comparing Noah and Hibbert. Its really the combination of low post scoring from the two teams against Miami that's shaping this discussion. It's somewhat myopic.
Withey is going to be a ****ty pro. he's slow, offers no offensive upside and blocking shots is the only thing he's really good at.
i want no part of him on the Bulls.
Noah is not a PF and cannot play there.
Mirotic is our PF of the future, he's not coming over until after 2014 and he will replace Boozer then.
personally i'd prefer us to find a way to get Josh Smith. would significantly improve our already insane D.

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only due to injuries. before that he was considered to be the 2nd best C in the NBA behind only Howard.



i wanted to list him but he's pretty much what he was supposed to be in a best case scenario.
i love Noah and am a huge Bulls fan. he has really upped his game and turned into one of the best defensive guys in the league.
we need to draft a C to play behind him and stop the insane amount of minutes he plays.
Noah is a great passer for a big man. You can almost run an offense through him by posting him up at the elbow and feeding him the ball. In theory, this should allow the offense to spread the floor. But Boozer doesn't really fit with this. He bogs down the offense in this scenario because of positioning. Because what happens is, if the center comes out to play Noah, Noah then can use his speed to beat the opposing center to the basket or pass it, whichever is there. The opportunity that is also present in this scenario, is that Noah can feed someone flashing to the basket. But again, Boozer is usually not able to capitalize from this either by positioning or by the fact that he lacks the requisite athleticism. So, in effect, Boozer neutralizes Noah's ability to spread the floor.
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Old 06-01-2013, 09:56 PM   #1273
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Pacers vs Spurs final is Stern's worst nightmare.

Anyone want to take a stab at what the ratings will be for that one? Possibly the worst rated finals in NBA History.
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Pacers vs Spurs final is Stern's worst nightmare.

Anyone want to take a stab at what the ratings will be for that one? Possibly the worst rated finals in NBA History.
Stern won't allow it.
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Old 06-01-2013, 10:00 PM   #1275
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I agree Hibbert's ascension to top 3 centers in the league has been astronomical. He's really put it together this playoff and is, by far, the main reason Indy has a good shot at this thing.

That said, it'd surprise me if they beat the Heat in game seven. Wouldn't shock me, but I still think this will be a Spurs/Heat final, regardless of how crappy Wade and Bosh are playing. And they are playing ****.
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