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Old 05-18-2013, 11:06 PM   #26
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Zane Beadles is good, but probably not good enough to play both guard spots simultaneously....
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Champ Bailey sent a text to Brandon Chrystal (radio host) today answering the question: Who's better DT or Bowe?

Champ says Bowe.
Well obviously Champ is trying to motivate Thomas....or his old age is clouding his head....because D. Bowe is not in the same league as Thomas!

Just break down the "Special Plays"....and you'll see what I mean. I sure as hell don't remember seeing Bowe take a screen pass 80yds for a TD. I don't recall him jumping up in the end zone and snagging a ball one handed.

Bowe being anywhere close to Thomas is simply asinine!
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:38 PM   #29
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My take with current changes:

Final Projected 53-Man Roster

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QB: Manning / Osweiler / Dysert
RB: Montee Ball / Hillman / Mcgahee / Hester
WR: D. Thomas / Caldwell
WR: Decker / King
WR: Welker / Holliday
TE: Tamme / Dreesen / Thomas / Green
LT: Clady /
LG: Beadles / Ramirez
OC: Walton / Blake
RG: Vasquez
RT: Franklin / Clark

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DE: Wolfe / Beal
DT: Knighton / Unrein
DT: S. Williams / Vickerson
DE: Ayers / Q. Smith

SLB: Miller / Phillips
MLB: Irving / Bradley / Johnson
WLB: Woodyard / Trevathan
CB 1: Bailey / Bolden
CB 2: Rodgers-Cromartie / T. Carter
CB 3: C. Harris
Matchup S: Jammer / Webster
SS: Moore / Bruton
FS: Q. Carter / (Jammer)

K: Prater
P: Colquitt
LS: Brewer

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1. QB Ryan Katz (or a QB cut from another team's roster)
2. RB C.J. Anderson
3. WR Gerell Robinson
4. WR Greg Orton
5. TE Lucas Reed
6. OG Manase Foketi
7. LB Lerentee McCray
8. CB Aaron Hester

PUP: Kuper, Mays

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One tiny nitpick: the nickel corner should be listed as second in the #1/LCB spot. And listing the DL with the DTs bookending the DEs was just odd to see

Interesting that you have Adams and Ramirez both getting cut. Oh and Clark. Coaches love him.
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One tiny nitpick: the nickel corner should be listed as second in the #1/LCB spot. And listing the DL with the DTs bookending the DEs was just odd to see

Interesting that you have Adams and Ramirez both getting cut. Oh and Clark. Coaches love him.
Ha. I just copied the format from Bowlen. But, you are right about the bookending.

I think we're going to carry an extra DB this year, and someone we really like is going to get cut. O-lineman generally don't participate that much on special teams, so...

But I do think Kupe starts on the PUP, meaning Ramirez or Clark sticks for six weeks.

As for Adams, I think it's him or Q Carter getting cut, I think both jammer and Kyavon stick in this Safety position that matches up with the TE.
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One tiny nitpick: the nickel corner should be listed as second in the #1/LCB spot. And listing the DL with the DTs bookending the DEs was just odd to see

Interesting that you have Adams and Ramirez both getting cut. Oh and Clark. Coaches love him.
So, if Kupe goes on the DL, can Clark play backup guard? If we have to keep Rameriz and Clark, where does the open roster spot come from? The LBs? I'd think so, but all those guys play special teams. Or would hester get cut? Or Virgil Green? Hmmmmm........
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So, if Kupe goes on the DL, can Clark play backup guard? If we have to keep Rameriz and Clark, where does the open roster spot come from? The LBs? I'd think so, but all those guys play special teams. Or would hester get cut? Or Virgil Green? Hmmmmm........
I think we're going to lose one of those CBs, for sure. Whether Webster hits the PS, or we cut a vet, or Bolden's the odd man out, I think?

I dunno... I just like to accumulate as much talent as possible and let camp dictate the final roster.
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My take with current changes:

Final Projected 53-Man Roster

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QB: Manning / Osweiler / Dysert
RB: Montee Ball / Hillman / Moreno / Hester
WR: D. Thomas / Orton
WR: Decker / King
WR: Welker / Holliday
TE: Tamme / Dreesen / Thomas / Green
LT: Clady / Painter
LG: Beadles
OC: Walton / Ramirez
RG: Vasquez
RT: Franklin / Clark

(25)

DE: Wolfe / Jackson
DT: Knighton / Unrein
DT: S. Williams / Vickerson
DE: Ayers / Q. Smith

SLB: Miller / Phillips
MLB: Irving / Bradley / Johnson
WLB: Woodyard / Trevathan
CB 1: Bailey / Bolden
CB 2: Rodgers-Cromartie / T. Carter
CB 3: C. Harris
Matchup S: Jammer / Webster
SS: Moore / Bruton
FS: Adams / Jammer

K: Prater
P: Colquitt
LS: Brewer

PUP: Kuper, Mays
This is tough
Especially trying to predict the secondary

But right now here is where I am at
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Here's my shot because I've been procrastinating doing something for almost two days now:

Final Projected 53-Man Roster

QB: Manning / Osweiler / Dysert
RB: Montee Ball / Hillman / Moreno / Ball
WR: D. Thomas / Caldwell
WR: Decker / King
WR: Welker / Holliday
TE: Tamme / Dreesen / Thomas / Green
LT: Clady
LG: Beadles
OC: Walton / Ramirez
RG: Vasquez / Kuper
RT: Franklin / Clark

DE: Wolfe / Jackson / Beal
DT: Knighton / Unrein
DT: S. Williams / Vickerson
DE: Ayers / Q. Smith

SLB: Miller / Phillips
MLB: Irving / Bradley / Johnson
WLB: Woodyard / Trevathan
CB 1: Bailey / Carter
CB 2: Rodgers-Cromartie / Webster
CB 3: C. Harris
Matchup S: Jammer
SS: Moore / Bruton
FS: Adams / Carter

K: Prater
P: Colquitt
LS: Brewer
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I know, I just copied from what was already set up

He only counts once though despite showing up twice
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I think we're going to lose one of those CBs, for sure. Whether Webster hits the PS, or we cut a vet, or Bolden's the odd man out, I think?

I dunno... I just like to accumulate as much talent as possible and let camp dictate the final roster.
this front office won't give up on guys picked in the top 5 rounds. That's my 2-cents. So, I don't see Bolden going anywhere. And, they would never try to get Webster to the practice squad. That kid will be playing this year. All 3 top guys will be expected to contribute right away. I think Carter is let go...
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this front office won't give up on guys picked in the top 5 rounds. That's my 2-cents. So, I don't see Bolden going anywhere. And, they would never try to get Webster to the practice squad. That kid will be playing this year. All 3 top guys will be expected to contribute right away. I think Carter is let go...
Possible. I think Carter's significantly better than both, so unless he's traded, I don't see him being released in favor of either.
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I have noticed Moore is playing SS according to some of your projections. I think it would be a good fit for him if he improved his physicality, but there is zero evidence suggesting this based on OTA and offseason reports.
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I have noticed Moore is playing SS according to some of your projections. I think it would be a good fit for him if he improved his physicality, but there is zero evidence suggesting this based on OTA and offseason reports.
Eh. The nomenclature is pretty inconsequential in comparison to the utilization, so I left it in the same cut and paste terms.

You're certainly right, though. The "center fielder" cover 1 position that he dominantly plays traditionally fits the "FS" title better.
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Here's my shot because I've been procrastinating doing something for almost two days now:

Final Projected 53-Man Roster

QB: Manning / Osweiler / Dysert
RB: Montee Ball / Hillman / Moreno / Ball
WR: D. Thomas / Caldwell
WR: Decker / King
WR: Welker / Holliday
TE: Tamme / Dreesen / Thomas / Green
LT: Clady
LG: Beadles
OC: Walton / Ramirez
RG: Vasquez / Kuper
RT: Franklin / Clark

DE: Wolfe / Jackson / Beal
DT: Knighton / Unrein
DT: S. Williams / Vickerson
DE: Ayers / Q. Smith

SLB: Miller / Phillips
MLB: Irving / Bradley / Johnson
WLB: Woodyard / Trevathan
CB 1: Bailey / Carter
CB 2: Rodgers-Cromartie / Webster
CB 3: C. Harris
Matchup S: Jammer
SS: Moore / Bruton
FS: Adams / Carter

K: Prater
P: Colquitt
LS: Brewer
Questions/comments:
--If Kupe goes on the PUP, who stays on the roster?
--I do think that the roster crunch is whether we keep 9 DL or 11 DBs. With the focus on pass happy offenses and Elway's mindset(You can never have enough defensive backs) I think we go wtih 11 DBs. I think that Beal and M Jackson are fighting for one roster spot. Now, if Bolden s***s the bed in camp, who knows?
--You've got Ball making the team? Again? Whyyyyyyyyy? (ahem) The question is, can V. Green play a type of fullback role when needed? If so, I can see Hester getting cut and going with anothe halfback.
--Is there anyway that the backs are Montee Ball, Moreno, McGahee, and Hillman? That would seem to be our most talented foursome. I just don't know if the cap situation would allow it.
--Do you think Orton or G. Robinson have a reasonable shot of beating out Caldwell?
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--If Kupe goes on the PUP, who stays on the roster?
Who cares? They're the NFL equivalent of a temp (ie: Chad Mustard)

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--I do think that the roster crunch is whether we keep 9 DL or 11 DBs. With the focus on pass happy offenses and Elway's mindset(You can never have enough defensive backs) I think we go wtih 11 DBs. I think that Beal and M Jackson are fighting for one roster spot. Now, if Bolden s***s the bed in camp, who knows?
Clearly I love DBs as much as the next guy, but 11 is a LOT of DBs and sacrifices depth at vital depth roles. There are no subpackages where you could feasibly field 11 DBs... 7 is about as secondary as anyone ever dares to go and that's in hail mary cloud coverage instances, and you're every bit as likely to see a tall WR like Thomas or Decker sitting in the EZ for the hail mary than Bolden, for example.

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--You've got Ball making the team? Again? Whyyyyyyyyy? (ahem)
The coaching staff LOVES Ball. They do nothing but praise him and his well rounded versatility publicly every chance they get and lean on him when they need to. He's been a rare depth constant on this team of turnover and I'd rely on him over a guy that was out of the NFL until we gave him a late season flier last year. JMO.

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The question is, can V. Green play a type of fullback role when needed? If so, I can see Hester getting cut and going with anothe halfback.
We move further and further away from a FB every week... especially with the addition of Welker. I imagine we'll see more H-back stuff than FB roles and only a handful of times per game. Dreessen and other guys can certainly handle that. A lot of our jumbo packages already feature Clark at TE, anyway.

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--Is there anyway that the backs are Montee Ball, Moreno, McGahee, and Hillman? That would seem to be our most talented foursome. I just don't know if the cap situation would allow it.
Absolutely. I think McGahee is shutting the door on his opportunity right now, though.

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--Do you think Orton or G. Robinson have a reasonable shot of beating out Caldwell?
Honestly, I don't think I care much about 4th or 5th receiver duty. We have a stud top 3 and some solid guys to compete for the auxillary roles and that's more than enough to make me happy.

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Nice responses.

We shall see. If it is 10 DBs, I agree that Bolden is the odd man out. It would suck to give up on a 4th rounder after one year, but what can you do? T Carter and C Harris played much better than anyone expected, so Bolden is expendable.

I do hope we keep McGahee and Moreno. They were both positives for us last year and can contribute. I trust John to make the right decision here. The FO does not seem concerned that he practices in FL during OTAs.

I think Orton has a real shot to supplant the whiner Caldwell. Just wish that guy showed as well as he did when he was with Cincy.

Has Blake not been doing well? I think he'd be more likely to make the roster than Ramirez, especially if Kupe is back. If Kupe goes on the PUP, Ramirez is probably on the roster.

From what I've been reading, Manning has taken Painter under his wing. If he does not make the 53, I hope he can get to the practice squad.

If Clark is a TE on jumbo packages I think that's a big step towards cementing a rostewr spot. The more versatile you are...l
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We shall see. If it is 10 DBs, I agree that Bolden is the odd man out. It would suck to give up on a 4th rounder after one year, but what can you do? T Carter and C Harris played much better than anyone expected, so Bolden is expendable.

I do hope we keep McGahee and Moreno. They were both positives for us last year and can contribute. I trust John to make the right decision here. The FO does not seem concerned that he practices in FL during OTAs.

I think Orton has a real shot to supplant the whiner Caldwell. Just wish that guy showed as well as he did when he was with Cincy.

Has Blake not been doing well? I think he'd be more likely to make the roster than Ramirez, especially if Kupe is back. If Kupe goes on the PUP, Ramirez is probably on the roster.

From what I've been reading, Manning has taken Painter under his wing. If he does not make the 53, I hope he can get to the practice squad.

If Clark is a TE on jumbo packages I think that's a big step towards cementing a rostewr spot. The more versatile you are...l
Clark's been doing that for at least two years now.

Painter will make it to the PS. He was a 6th round pick so we know other teams dont value him significantly higher.

Bolden should still be PS eligible IF it comes to that.
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I personally do not think Bolden is in danger. There are some recent draft picks who should be on alert. Quinton Carter, Phillip Blake, Knowshon Moreno, Jeremy Beal, Julius Thomas.

Unrestricted Free Agents Tony Carter and Mitch Unrein should be on alert.
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QB: Manning / Osweiler / Dysert
RB: McGahee / Montee Ball / Hillman / Ball
WR: D. Thomas / Caldwell
WR: Decker / King
WR: Welker / Holliday
TE: Tamme / Dreesen / Thomas / Green
LT: Clady / Clark
LG: Kuper / Beadles
OC: Walton / Ramirez
RG: Vasquez
RT: Franklin / Painter

DE: Wolfe / Beal
DT: Knighton / Jackson
DT: Vickerson / S. Williams
DE: Ayers / Q. Smith

SLB: Miller / Phillips
MLB: Irving / Bradley
WLB: Woodyard / Trevathan
CB 1: Bailey / Webster
CB 2: Rodgers-Cromartie / Bolden
CB 3: C. Harris / Jammer
FS: Moore / Bruton
SS: Adams / Carter

K: Prater
P: Colquitt
LS: Brewer
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Mine, updated (swapped out Garland for Jammer).

Garland to PS for one more year (for his versatility to play pretty much any position on bothOL/DL).

How many PS players is a team allotted? It seems 6 is too many.

As #3 QB, Dysert doesn't count against the final 53.

FINAL 53

OFFENSE(24):
QB: Peyton Manning , Brock Osweiler, Zac Dysert (E)
RB: Montee Ball, Knowshon Moreno, Ronnie Hillman, Willis McGahee
FB: Jacob Hester, Virgil Green
- "H"-back: Joel Dreesen, Virgil Green (I doubt we'll use this position on a team with Manning at QB and Welker at WR... probably almost never use the FB, too)

WR - Flanker: Eric Decker, Tavaras Knight, Trindon Holliday
WR - Split: Demariyus Thomas, Tavaras Knight, Trindon Holliday
WR - Slot: Wes Welker, Trindon Holliday, Tavaras Knight
TE: Joel Dreesen, Jacob Tamme, Julius Thomas, Virgil Green (I think Thomas makes the jump ahead of Green, maybe even Tamme, and Green is kept on for his ST value)

LT: Ryan Clady, Vinston Painter
LG: Zane Beadles, Manny Ramirez
C: JD Walton, Philip Blake
RG: Louis Vasquez, Manny Ramirez
RT: Orlando Franklin, Vinston Painter

Total Offense:24

DEFENSE(26):
RDE: Robert Ayers, Sean Philips, Jeremy Beal
NT: Terrance Knighton, Kevin Vickerson
UT: Sylvester Williams, Mitch Unrein
LDE: Derek Wolfe, Malik Jackson, Jeremy Beal

SAM: Von Miller, Sean Philips, Danny Trevathan
MIKE: Nate Irving, Steven Johnson, Bradley Stewart
WAM: Wesley Woodyard, Sean Philips, Danny Trevathan
- Nickel LB: Danny Trevathan with Von put wide on the line

CB1: Champ Bailey, Tony Carter, Omar Bolden
CB2: Dominique Cromartie, Tony Carter, Omar Bolden
CB3: Chris Harris, Tony Carter, Omar Bolden
- Nickelback: Chris Harris
- Quarterback: Tony Carter

FS: Rahim Moore, Quinton Carter, Kavon Webster
SS: Quentin Jammer, Quinton Carter, David Bruton
- Dimeback: Quentin Jammer with Quinton Carter moved to SS
Total Defense: 26

SPECIAL TEAMS(3):
K: Matt Prater, Britton Colquitt
P: Britton Colquitt, Matt Prater
LS: Aaron Brewer
KR: Trindon Holliday, Ronnie Hillman
PR: Trindon Holliday, Omar Bolden

Total special-teams specific: 3

Practice Squad:
Gerell Robinson WR
Lamaar Thomas WR
Manase Foketi OT
Duke Inacheno S
Silvear Sillega DT
Ben Garland DE/OG

PUP:
Chris Kuper (active somtime at or before week six depending on offensive line injuries, otherwise likely to take Ramirez's spo).
Joe Mays (cut/traded after week six)
Quinteron Smith (active after week six for either Beal or Jackson)

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^ you have room for another Bmore. New(ish) 3rd QB rule
Correct me if my understanding of the rule is wrong. While we can have 46 active game day players and not include Dysert, he will count against the 53 man roster..?

Otherwise he would have to clear waivers to make it to the PS and even though he and Painter were late round developmental picks, I don't see either clearing waivers.

If I am wrong and had an empty spot to play with, that's a very difficult decision. It depends how Johnson looks in pre season, even though I'm not a fan maybe we stash 11 DBs on the roster and keep Tony Carter. Though I was hoping we could trade him for a draft pick/player, maybe throw in Moreno and a pack of Hubba Bubba and get a good player from a team who is either loaded at a particular position that could help us, or this player doesn't fit his teams new scheme.
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