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Old 05-31-2013, 12:01 AM   #51
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Great player analysis Gaylore.

Justin Houston was ranked as a top 50 player so he's not that far off from Von. And he was a tremendous value for a 3rd round pick.

I love it that you insisted that he was overrated because he got a lot of sacks in one game his rookie year.
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Old 05-31-2013, 02:25 AM   #52
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Great player analysis Gaylore.

Justin Houston was ranked as a top 50 player so he's not that far off from Von. And he was a tremendous value for a 3rd round pick.

I love it that you insisted that he was overrated because he got a lot of sacks in one game his rookie year.
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Old 05-31-2013, 08:51 AM   #53
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Was this thread necromancy supposed to be some kind of gotcha for me? lol.

1. Sheepstud, I have you on ignore because you are a blathering imbecile.

2. This doesn't even show anything. I don't even say Houston was bad. I made fun of you for saying he was better than Von Miller - a reminder of which, at this point, is beyond laughable.

3. Houston moving to a 4-3 is going to hurt his production next season.

4. Should we go dig all those posts up of you declaring Houston better than Miller, or my favorite, the thread where you go off about how Von Miller "isn't close" to an elite pass rusher in the NFL? Stones from glass homes, man.

5. Get a life. I don't care about you. I don't care what you think. You obviously have some kind of obsession with me. Go play with your sheep lover and stop rezing dead threads that don't prove anything other than what a contemptible idiot you are.

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Old 05-31-2013, 09:06 AM   #54
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Was this thread necromancy supposed to be some kind of gotcha for me? lol.

1. Sheepstud, I have you on ignore because you are a blathering imbecile.

2. This doesn't even show anything. I don't even say Houston was bad. I made fun of you for saying he was better than Von Miller - a reminder of which, at this point, is beyond laughable.

3. Houston moving to a 4-3 is going to hurt his production next season.

4. Should we go dig all those posts up of you declaring Houston better than Miller, or my favorite, the thread where you go off about how Von Miller "isn't close" to an elite passer in the NFL? Stones from glass homes, man.

5. Get a life. I don't care about you. I don't care what you think. You obviously have some kind of obsession with me. Go play with your sheep lover and stop rezing dead threads that don't prove anything other than what a contemptible idiot you are.
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:27 AM   #55
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To him, it may be. If KCStud confirms the sheep is considered family, I will accept a ban per the OMane guidelines.
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Was this thread necromancy supposed to be some kind of gotcha for me? lol.

1. Sheepstud, I have you on ignore because you are a blathering imbecile.

2. This doesn't even show anything. I don't even say Houston was bad. I made fun of you for saying he was better than Von Miller - a reminder of which, at this point, is beyond laughable.

3. Houston moving to a 4-3 is going to hurt his production next season.


4. Should we go dig all those posts up of you declaring Houston better than Miller, or my favorite, the thread where you go off about how Von Miller "isn't close" to an elite passer in the NFL? Stones from glass homes, man.

5. Get a life. I don't care about you. I don't care what you think. You obviously have some kind of obsession with me. Go play with your sheep lover and stop rezing dead threads that don't prove anything other than what a contemptible idiot you are.
IF they use him the way we use Von, his production might increase. But I imagine they'll lob him at DE with Hali and just play wide splits like they did in Philly. So lol at KC again.
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sacks: the singular metric by which all front seven defenders are measured
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sacks: the singular metric by which all front seven defenders are measured
I do think it's the most overrated stat in the league. Well, maybe right above tackles for DBs.
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I do think it's the most overrated stat in the league. Well, maybe right above tackles for DBs.
That should be a mark of shame for the entire defense.
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That should be a mark of shame for the entire defense.
Unless you're a cover 2 corner or a box safety, I fully agree.
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I do think it's the most overrated stat in the league. Well, maybe right above tackles for DBs.
All tackles aren't created equal and they shouldn't be categorized as such. I wish there were run stop tackles and tackles after a completion. Maybe even categorized depending on how close to the line of scrimmage they are. Not sure how it would work, but currently tackles is the most meaningless stat there is, for every position IMO.
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All tackles aren't created equal and they shouldn't be categorized as such. I wish there were run stop tackles and tackles after a completion. Maybe even categorized depending on how close to the line of scrimmage they are. Not sure how it would work, but currently tackles is the most meaningless stat there is, for every position IMO.
I think sacks need to come with auxillary info like "Did it end a drive?"

A drive killing sack... now THAT is a valuable stat.
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Is KC changing to a 4-3?
Officially they aren't or at least not right away, though Sutton has said that as the season goes on you'll see some changes. I think they're going to eventually. Sutton and Reid are both 4-3 guys.
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I think sacks need to come with auxillary info like "Did it end a drive?"

A drive killing sack... now THAT is a valuable stat.
Pressure that forces a throw-away, while not quite as valuable as a drive ending sack, is far more valuable than a tackle 13 yds down the field on the same play. One is recorded, the other isn't (well not in a way casual fans care about).

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I think sacks need to come with auxillary info like "Did it end a drive?"

A drive killing sack... now THAT is a valuable stat.
I actually am a big fan of second down sacks. They aren't always obvious passing situations, and when you create negative yardage and force third and long situations, you're really doing your defense a favor.
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I actually am a big fan of second down sacks. They aren't always obvious passing situations, and when you create negative yardage and force third and long situations, you're really doing your defense a favor.
Swell as that may be, we're a team that has historically had better luck against 3rd and short than 3rd and long (*zero statistics supporting this, however I still have nightmares of Manning and Rivers racking up 50+ on drives that had multiple 3rd and longs).
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Von's sacks last year DO show how quick he is though considering on many of them he had to beat Doom and Wolfe to the QB.

(not like we didnt know he was quick, but just sayin)
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Without Justin Houston the Chiefs would have only had one win instead of two. Doubles their wins! Defensive MVP. NFL MVP. Canton OH. First Ballot. GOAT.
He would have really turned it on and won kFc at least 2 more games but he wanted to make sure they could pick 1st overall to get their RT.

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Von's sacks last year DO show how quick he is though considering on many of them he had to beat Doom and Wolfe to the QB.

(not like we didnt know he was quick, but just sayin)
But it also kept protection from sliding his way as much and kept the QB from rolling away. I'm interested to see how this year unfolds and really hopeful that we can adequately replace Doom's presence FOR Von.
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Pressure that forces a throw-away, while not quite as valuable as a drive ending sack, is far more valuable than a tackle 13 yds down the field on the same play. One is recorded, the other isn't (well not in a way casual fans care about).
Sorry missed this post earlier.

I agree, but it's really hard to quantify. Are pressure throw-aways a favorable stat for the defense, or for the QB?

I'd be inclined to say the latter.
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4. Should we go dig all those posts up of you declaring Houston better than Miller, or my favorite, the thread where you go off about how Von Miller "isn't close" to an elite passer in the NFL?
C'mon, Kaylore, even you have to admit that Von isn't close to an elite passer in the NFL. Von's showing no signs of even beating out Dysert as the 3rd string scout QB, much less Osweiler.

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I think sacks need to come with auxillary info like "Did it end a drive?"

A drive killing sack... now THAT is a valuable stat.
Tackles for a loss should become an official stat. That would help depreciate the value of a sack a little bit, because any negative play is a win for the defense, and a players should be measured statistically through positive impact plays.
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Von had two sacks against the Steelers. this is what I am talking about.
And? One was in the 2nd quarter. The 2nd with over a minute left in the 4th. The play before they had gained 10 yards in a still open game. Von took it away.
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