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Old 05-11-2013, 02:53 PM   #51
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The sad thing is that you don't need to be a flaming liberal to do most of the stuff that makes a difference (no matter how small) because a lot of it is common sense.

Why wouldn't you want to grow your own food (if you have the room or ability)? It's certainly not less healthy than what you get at the store, and the case can easily be made that its better for you.

Why wouldn't you walk to work or take the stairs when you can?

If you have kids, why wouldn't you want to save about 75% on diapers by just using cloth?

Because it is easier. Although I'm sure you know many people, as do I, some here on this forum who actually go out of their way to do things that aren't environmentally friendly, just to piss off liberals. My brother drives a Hummer for that reason alone...then complains about gas prices and getting a blistering 6 wind-aided miles to the gallon.

Can we exchange you for your brother on the board?
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:59 PM   #52
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People with kids kill the carbon footprint. They could go on to be co2 spewing little monsters. Or I guess one might make a huge discovery on how to turn dead fetuses into clean burning fuel, but i doubt it Houghtam. At least you get to hand down your liberal mantra to be carried on though. That has to count for somthing.
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:00 PM   #53
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Al Gore is a flipping politician and a businessman. I am amazed how much he made off his global warming angle. What a haul! Smart man I give him props!
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:17 PM   #54
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The point is all this BS about changing your ****ing light bulbs to save the planet yet the biggest "advocate" for global warming by percentage is the top percentile of energy whores on the planet.

He didn't give a rats ass about global warming or America for that matter. For crying out loud he cashed out to Al Jazeera!
So?

What Al Gore does or doesn't do changes not one thing.
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:36 PM   #55
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So?

What Al Gore does or doesn't do changes not one thing.
It would be like criticizing Marty Schottenheimer for saying the Chiefs are a **** franchise. Sure, he contributed to it and profited from it, but it doesn't change the fact that they're a **** franchise.
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In related news, electric cars are starting to come into their own.

Tesla motors showing industry how it's done (with American manufacturing even).

Their sedan (the model S) has sports car power @ 100mpg equivalent and a 300 mile range. And with a reasonable recharge time with the supercharger network (150mi range in 30 minutes)

And it outsells Audi, Mercedes, BMW, and Lexus combined. And is making profit hand over fist ($15m profit with a 25% gross profit margin, which is MASSIVE for the auto industry).

Still a bit on the pricy side ($70-90k) but that's the plan -- to target the luxury market first to fund continued development. To that end, the cars come with a ton of luxury features that typically bring even a luxury petrol car into that same price range depending on options (engine size, electronics, etc.). Hence the ass kicking they are delivering the typical luxury makers.

And, Tesla has already made huge strides in reducing costs (their first production model in 2009 was in the $120k range). Their target is a $30,000 mainstream (rather than luxury) sedan by 2016. Probably by reducing the power to "normal sedan" level instead of sports car levels and stripping out other high end targeted features.

Once you add in the "fuel" cost being $500/year instead of $2,000/year, that $30,000 car would easily be cost competitive even with small, low power petrol sedans.

Considering electric cars have only been in serious development for a little over a decade and are still a very immature technology, they are doing quite smashingly in the cost field.
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Solar panels to heat home and charge car = win both for the environment and for your pocket book.

Obviously solar is not sufficient on it's own and would need to be supplemented with non weather depending energy, but for those that live in reasonably sunny areas it's already feasible. Of course, people like cutlet won't grok because they don't understand up front vs long term costs, but that's their loss.
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:11 PM   #58
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People with kids kill the carbon footprint..
Good point. Wags is a father yet he's b****ing about global warming. The responsible thing to do if someone was really concerned about Global warming is don't have any kids.

Instead he rants and raves about what others should be doing.
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Good point. Wags is a father yet he's b****ing about global warming. The responsible thing to do if someone was really concerned about Global warming is don't have any kids.

Instead he rants and raves about what others should be doing.
What quotes can you offer that support this claim of my behavior?
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I'm going to try and push my carbon footprint to 30! This whole app is a joke though and you all know it right? It's just a way to get people to donate money to supposedly offset your footprint. You know like Al Gore did. Don't people realize global warming and carbon footprint is just a new industry trying to make money off you?

How many of you really think co2 will ever drop in your lifetime? It will take technology far beyond electric cars and solar energy. I doubt electric cars will even be that green once people realize the batterys don't last as long as they say they will. That means you need a new battery and they take a lot of co2 to produce.
What is more environmental friendly? Tube, hybrid or solid state amps?

You get penalized 5 carbon footprint points if you turn them up to 11.
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bands probably put out more co2 with all the things they burn. Cigars, weed, ciggs, drinking. How much co2 goes into 1 bottle of whiskey or a case of beer?

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What quotes can you offer that support this claim of my behavior?
You once told me to go **** myself. I have no idea how much co2 that would release but it wouldn't be pretty.
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We can protect ourselves unless the govt takes our AR's away. Someday we may have 100 terrorists fan out with assault rifles like what happened in India. Local police would need all the help they can get.
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I stand by the statement we could need our AR's someday because the govt will fail to be there. You though would be hiding under your brother Hummer while he protected the family. But hey you get to stay a pacifist.
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I'm glad you like that one Houghtam I want you to enjoy yourself. !
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bands probably put out more co2 with all the things they burn. Cigars, weed, ciggs, drinking. How much co2 goes into 1 bottle of whiskey or a case of beer?
.. plant based products are 100% carbon neutral. Unless the plant material has been buried for long, long time.
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This is only if you've taken steps to heat and cool your home efficiently wherever possible, installed efficient lighting everywhere possible, use ENERGY STAR appliances and electronics and always unplug equipment not in use, don't drive, don't fly, never eat meat, only eat organic food, recycle all your materials, and compost all your food scraps and yard trimmings whenever possible.

You have to live in one of these States to beat the world average.

Idaho 3.4
Vermont 3.4
Washington 4.6
Oregon 4.7
Califonia 5.1


Obviously, everybody below needs to move to Idaho to save the environment.

South Carolina 6.1
New Jersey 6.3
New Hampshire 6.6
South Dakota 7.2
Maine 7.5
New York 7.5
Louisiana 7.6
Arizona 7.9
North Carolina 7.9
Arkansas 8.1
Connecticut 8.1
Mississippi 8.1
Alabama 8.2
Virginia 8.4
Georgia 8.5
Florida 8.6
Rhode Island 8.6
Texas 8.9
Tennessee 9.1
Illinois 9.2
D.C. 9.4
Maryland 9.4
Hawaii 9.7
Pennsylvania 9.7
Massachusettes 9.8
Alaska 10
Montana 10
Nebraska 10
Oklahoma 10
Kansas 11
Michigan 11
Minnesota 11
Nevada 11
Wisconsin 11
Delaware 12
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Ohio 12
West Virginia 12
Colorado 13
Iowa 13
Kentucky 13
Utah 13
Indiana 14
New Mexico 14
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It's cold in wyoming the have no choice but to burn fossil fuels lol. It's easy to say turn the heat down from sunny calif.
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It's cold in wyoming the have no choice but to burn fossil fuels lol. It's easy to say turn the heat down from sunny calif.
Ever been to Idaho ? Vermont?
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How do we realistically address this problem? The CO2 graph is the same as the population graph over the last 2000 years.

The average person has a carbon footprint of 5.5 and increasing as the developing world catches up to our own standard of living. Americans couldn't even return to those levels if we tried. It seems impossible to reduce CO2 from human behavior.
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How do we realistically address this problem? The CO2 graph is the same as the population graph over the last 2000 years.

The average person has a carbon footprint of 5.5 and increasing as the developing world catches up to our own standard of living. Americans couldn't even return to those levels if we tried. It seems impossible to reduce CO2 from human behavior.

This growth is 100% based on petroleum which is a limited resource. As oil is used up the population will fall.
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How do we realistically address this problem?
Price carbon and let the market respond.
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Price carbon and let the market respond.
Or continue as we are and the CO2 problem takes care of the population problem? Win/win.
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Price carbon and let the market respond move to China or India where they won't price carbon.
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This growth is 100% based on petroleum which is a limited resource. As oil is used up the population will fall.
I think it's pretty clear at this point, with the huge new reserve estimates in North America alone that the population will decline significantly long before the oil runs out.

Population collapse, and the transition to that new world is humanity's biggest (known) challenge coming over the next century. That new reality will have far more impact on CO2 concentrations than any byzantine scheme our government masters could ever imagineer.
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