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Old 05-08-2013, 11:36 PM   #151
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:40 PM   #152
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it's a coverup and a laughable story but not big enough to worry Obama much. It's probably worst for Hilliary and the primary she would face to get the nomination. Still we know now there were 2 attacks separated by 3-4 hrs? depending on what story you read? They had enough time to get people there they just didn't do it. It was a bad call and no one really wanted to cop to it. So they made a lame story and it didn't work. It's typical of how things get when liberals run the military too long. Leon Panetta shat the bed on this and so did Hilliary Clinton.
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:44 PM   #154
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REMINDER: HILLARY CLINTON LIED ABOUT BENGHAZI WHILE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE VICTIMS' CASKETS

None of us should forget this shameful moment in American history:

“This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing do to with.”
When Hillary Clinton spoke those words, in front of those victims’ families and the whole world, she knew full well that the Benghazi attack had nothing to do with any YouTube video. Months later, when she was finally called to account for it, she actually said, “What difference does it make?”
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:16 AM   #155
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This story has the liberal media in a bind. They need to protect Obama of course, but they want Hillary to run in 2016, so what to do? Yes, you got it. The usual when there is news that doesn't help their personal agendas. Just pretend it doesn't exist and focus on other stories instead and just hope it goes away. They've only been doing this the past 40 years.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:37 AM   #156
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This story has the liberal media in a bind. They need to protect Obama of course, but they want Hillary to run in 2016, so what to do? Yes, you got it. The usual when there is news that doesn't help their personal agendas. Just pretend it doesn't exist and focus on other stories instead and just hope it goes away. They've only been doing this the past 40 years.
So true, but this time they got Hillary dead to rights with the stand down and resulting murders. It will be very interesting to me to see how American citizens react to this. If they oh hum this clear cut crime then they will accept just about anything and soon will be completely enslaved.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:40 AM   #157
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Horror of horrors! A US official lied!

Wake up to reality -- it happens alla time.

Americans are fed a steady diet of lies.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:41 AM   #158
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I wish I had a nickel for every lie by a US official.

I'd never have to work again.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:42 AM   #159
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Bogus political witch hunt. They know they'll won't have a snowballs chance in hell in 2016 against Hillary Clinton,if they can't bring her down now. Won't work but they don't have much of a choice.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:43 AM   #160
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The Administration messed up somewhere, as well as the intelligence community. People lied to save face. Not surprising. Not excusable. It is sad.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:45 AM   #161
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:47 AM   #162
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Let's re summarize here.

Embassy in Benghazi receives threats
Embassy in Benghazi asks for additional security
Administration refuses request, plays golf

Embassy in Benghazi receives more threats, asks again for more security
Administration refuses request, plays golf

Embassy is attacked by Al Qaeda on 9/11 (who could've seen that coming?) 4 American public servants, two Navy Seals are killed.
Administration springs into action. Denies any forces in the area any chance to respond. Tells assets to stand down. Finds offensive Youtube video. Immediately sends out spokespeople to blame the video and publicly call-out the producer of the (completely irrelevant) video.

Video Producer is arrested and jailed (to this day)
Administration works overtime actively editing intelligence assessments of what happened, scrubbing any reference to the early warnings or any hint that the operation was pre-planned, should have been predicted, with lives easily saved. And of course still implicating a Youtube video that they absolutely knew had nothing to do with the Al Qaeda attack.

Administration maintains the lie for weeks, with the White House press secretary actively lying to the press corps during the height of an election season. Hillary Clinton tells dead Americans' mourning parents that the Administration is going to seek justice on their behalf by taking it to the producer of the Youtube video.

FBI is held back from thoroughly investigating the scene of the attack for evidence because Libyan authorities are dismayed and embarassed by the complete fictionalization of the event by the Administration.

Liberals are all ... meh. Media calls it 'old news' even as new documentation, testimony and evidence contradicting their earlier reporting comes out.

It's undeniable at this point. Watergate could've never happened with a Democrat in office.
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Don't forget this little known issue.


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration secretly gave its blessing to arms shipments to Libyan rebels from Qatar last year, but American officials later grew alarmed as evidence grew that Qatar was turning some of the weapons over to Islamic militants, according to United States officials and foreign diplomats.
No evidence has emerged linking the weapons provided by the Qataris during the uprising against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi to the attack that killed four Americans at the United States diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, in September.

But in the months before, the Obama administration clearly was worried about the consequences of its hidden hand in helping arm Libyan militants, concerns that have not previously been reported. The weapons and money from Qatar strengthened militant groups in Libya, allowing them to become a destabilizing force since the fall of the Qaddafi government.

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Let's re summarize here.

Embassy in Benghazi receives threats
Embassy in Benghazi asks for additional security
Administration refuses request, plays golf

Embassy in Benghazi receives more threats, asks again for more security
Administration refuses request, plays golf

Embassy is attacked by Al Qaeda on 9/11 (who could've seen that coming?) 4 American public servants, two Navy Seals are killed.
Administration springs into action. Denies any forces in the area any chance to respond. Tells assets to stand down. Finds offensive Youtube video. Immediately sends out spokespeople to blame the video and publicly call-out the producer of the (completely irrelevant) video.

Video Producer is arrested and jailed (to this day)
Administration works overtime actively editing intelligence assessments of what happened, scrubbing any reference to the early warnings or any hint that the operation was pre-planned, should have been predicted, with lives easily saved. And of course still implicating a Youtube video that they absolutely knew had nothing to do with the Al Qaeda attack.

Administration maintains the lie for weeks, with the White House press secretary actively lying to the press corps during the height of an election season. Hillary Clinton tells dead Americans' mourning parents that the Administration is going to seek justice on their behalf by taking it to the producer of the Youtube video.

FBI is held back from thoroughly investigating the scene of the attack for evidence because Libyan authorities are dismayed and embarassed by the complete fictionalization of the event by the Administration.

Liberals are all ... meh. Media calls it 'old news' even as new documentation, testimony and evidence contradicting their earlier reporting comes out.

It's undeniable at this point. Watergate could've never happened with a Democrat in office.

Except now there eye witness' coming forward. It is looking like someone high in American politics wanted the Ambassador dead. What did he know and threaten to disclose?
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:19 AM   #165
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There was tragic incompetence, plainly, in the Obama administration’s handling of the Benghazi attacks, and even possibly some political calculation. It is a record that may well come to haunt Hillary Clinton, the first Secretary of State to lose an ambassador in the field in more than three decades, if she runs for president in 2016. But the obvious Republican effort to turn this inquiry into the Democratic (Obama) version of the Iraq intelligence scandal that has tarred the GOP since the George W. Bush years — led by that least-credible of champions, the almost-always-wrong Darrell Issa — is just not going to amount to much.
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:20 AM   #166
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It does seem that the Administration’s talking points were massaged a bit after the President’s candor [that the attack was an "act of terror"]. This may have been attributable to the presidential campaign and the Administration’s desire to low-ball the Al Qaeda threat. If so, this was a venial, not a mortal, sin. It affected not one life. More likely, though, the wording was scrubbed as a result of the nature of the investigation going on at the time–it may have been deemed premature to announce that it was a pre-meditated act of terror. Perhaps the local militia lucked into a situation where they showed up at the consulate and found very little security protection. Hard to say. There were protests all over the middle east that night, ginned up by jihadis using the excuse of a near-unseen anti-Muslim You Tube video.

But let’s say the street gang had been casing the joint in advance. Who’s to blame for the lax security? This is the real substance of the case. Could it have been the Secretary of State? Undoubtedly, no. This sort of question is well below her pay grade. Could it have been the person in charge of embassy security issues? More likely, and that person resigned after the subsequent investigations…and even that might have been unfair for two reasons. Security was up to the Ambassador and Chris Stevens was well known for erring on the side of greater public access to U.S. facilities. Or, more plausibly, reason number two…

Could it have been the Republicans who consistently voted against funds for increased embassy security? Hmmm…that makes their current carping seem awfully political, doesn’t it?
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:28 AM   #167
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Ahhh, the ultimate leftist coverall.

"We wanted to spend more on absolutely everything everywhere, therefore nothing is ever our fault."

Why are we in Libya again? Whose decision was that?

Best thing is the "There were no prior threats we could've acted upon. That didn't happen. But if it did happen, we didn't respond because nasty Republicanses won't vote us limitless funds!" shell game.

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Four days after the use of an ancient DC-3, along with other security requests, was being denied, on May 7, 2012, the State Department authorized the U.S. Embassy in Vienna to purchase a $108,000 electric-vehicle charging station for the embassy motor pool's new Chevrolet Volts.

As Rep. Mike Kelly points out in a Washington Times op-ed, the purchase was a part of the State Department's "Energy Efficiency Sweep of Europe" initiative, which included hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on green program expenditures at various U.S. embassies.
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Why are we in Libya again? Whose decision was that?
Are you suggesting we didn't have an embassy in Libya before Obama was president?
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Ahhh, the ultimate leftist coverall.

"We wanted to spend more on absolutely everything everywhere, therefore nothing is ever our fault."

Why are we in Libya again? Whose decision was that?

Best thing is the "There were no prior threats we could've acted upon. That didn't happen. But if it did happen, we didn't respond because nasty Republicanses won't vote us limitless funds!" shell game.

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http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbar...ty_in_benghazi
Harry Truman gave approval in 1952..... errrrr.....?
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it's a coverup and a laughable story but not big enough to worry Obama much. It's probably worst for Hilliary and the primary she would face to get the nomination. Still we know now there were 2 attacks separated by 3-4 hrs? depending on what story you read? They had enough time to get people there they just didn't do it. It was a bad call and no one really wanted to cop to it. So they made a lame story and it didn't work. It's typical of how things get when liberals run the military too long. Leon Panetta shat the bed on this and so did Hilliary Clinton.

Hillary is laughing at you............there is no debacle.

There were demonstrations at other embassies period.

The only thing worse than you guys making stuff up and filling in the blanks to your liking is FOX NEWS, a so called national media
doing the same thing.

Its disgraceful and the ONLY THING GOING ON HERE IS GOP HATRED FOR OBAMA AND TRYING TO SLOW THE INEVITABLE STEAM ROLLING THEY ARE GONNA GET FROM HILLARY..................
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Are you suggesting we didn't have an embassy in Libya before Obama was president?
This is cute. You act like our other engagements there had nothing to do with what happened.
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http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/08...icle-arenapage Could it have been the Republicans who consistently voted against funds for increased embassy security? Hmmm…that makes their current carping seem awfully political, doesn’t it?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/201...s_293141.html/

“It has been suggested that budget cuts are responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi, and I’d like to ask Miss Lamb,” said Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R., Calif.). “You made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which lead you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

“No, sir,” said Lamb.

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So true, but this time they got Hillary dead to rights with the stand down and resulting murders. It will be very interesting to me to see how American citizens react to this. If they oh hum this clear cut crime then they will accept just about anything and soon will be completely enslaved.
You sure about that? Nothing still seems nailed down. The biggest issue here is that there isn't a smoking gun and its not so clear cut. About the only thing that is clear is there was miscommunication and someone high up telling people to shut their traps. It looks bad, but a clear cut crime this doesn't completely appear to be.

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