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Old 05-03-2013, 10:20 AM   #301
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It's still a fundamental difference when one is a pocket passer the other not. When Brock goes in it won't be a complete overhaul of an offense. If tebow went in the entire make up of it would have to change. Basic changes like being under center or not. Tebow would be better off behind a good QB who runs an offense that somewhat benefits his style of play
Lulz. Pocket Passer. As soon as you can show me a single play at ASU where Shotgun Brock passed from under center, we can start talking Pocket Passer.

Brock's experience is about the worst you could imagine for a guy (theoretically) tasked with running Manning's system. Maybe he'll develop into a great pocket passer someday. But he has zero experience to work from.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:24 AM   #302
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Once again, for clarification: are we talking about "fans" on the internet? Or do they actually attend team functions and games?
I think they are involved in all facets of fandom...
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:26 AM   #303
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The funny thing in NY this season will be when Geno isn't able to take the job from Sanchez.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:29 AM   #304
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Even IF TT could learn the system Manning runs (and that's a big, big IF) he's still way too much of a distraction for the entire team. His fanbase is the problem, do you want to deal with them, constantly complaining about how bad TT is being treated and how he's not getting a fair chance? Because that is exactly what they'd say the moment the Broncos finally pull the plug on TT because he's just not able to run a traditional pro-style offense that Elway likes.
I'm the one most often tagged as Resident Teboner (nowadays anyway). And like I said the day we brought Manning onboard, I would've been stoked to watch Timmy contently sit behind and learn from Peyton.

There would've been no distraction. At least not of the bad kind.

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I'm the one most often tagged as Resident Teboner (nowadays anyway). And like I said the day we brought Manning onboard, I would've been stoked to watch Timmy contently sit behind and learn from Peyton.

There would've been no distraction. At least not of the bad kind.

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Seriously? Even with PFM, there would have been a distraction. Hell, the Atlanta game...people would have been at the stupid chants again.
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:03 PM   #306
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9news the other day ran a stupid facebook survey asking people if the Broncos where better or worse since trading Tebow. I'm sure the point of it was to generate hits/likes. Reading some of the comments from the staunch Tebow crowd is enough to question my faith in humanity. Damn those folks are not only illiterate football fans, but also have some serious entitlement/victimization issues.
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:38 PM   #308
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Seriously? Even with PFM, there would have been a distraction. Hell, the Atlanta game...people would have been at the stupid chants again.
Wasn't that in Atlanta? Yeah, you might hear it there.
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It comes down to,does any team want to spend time & money teaching tebow how to be a QB,when he should've known how from the get go.
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Old 05-03-2013, 02:24 PM   #310
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Awesome, straw dog. So when someone says "you can't always judge a book by it's cover" do you ask which books they're talking about and whether they're really implying that Stephanie Meyer is better than Charles Dickens?
Other player's accomplishments don't mean anything. This is like when someone says "if we can put on a man on the moon, we can XYZ." First, those other men at NASA put a man on the moon. You and I weren't there.

Aaron Rogers and Drew Brees needed time to develop, but they had showed an ability to throw the ball downfield at an even basic level. Tebow scans defenses, freaks and then bails. You keep trying to make comparison's in your endless defense of him, for what reason I haven't the faintest idea, by stringing together elements in common he was with other players - elements that don't point toward their ability to be good. Rather than saying "these three players all did XYZ really well" you keep saying "These other players also sucked at ABC."

We know Tebow sucks at a lot of things, and other good QB's sucked at some of those things too. Drew Brees threw a lot of interceptions early in his career. Aaron Rogers struggled to learn the playbook. Tony Romo wasn't good enough to start. Yes - Tebow is a combination of the suck from all these men. The difference is they got better and Tebow didn't. And all of them had started fewer games at this point in their careers save Brees than Tebow has. And they sucked at some things. Tebow is like the Frankenstein of suck. He's this giant monolith beast that has a passing game assembled from the bad parts other player's passing ability.

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Old 05-03-2013, 02:42 PM   #311
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Other player's accomplishments don't mean anything. This is like when someone says "if we can put on a man on the moon, we can XYZ." First, those other men at NASA put a man on the moon. You and I weren't there.

Aaron Rogers and Drew Brees needed time to develop, but they had showed an ability to throw the ball downfield at an even basic level. Tebow scans defenses, freaks and then bails. You keep trying to make comparison's in your endless defense of him, for what reason I haven't the faintest idea, by stringing together elements in common he was with other players - elements that don't point toward their ability to be good. Rather than saying "these three players all did XYZ really well" you keep saying "These other players also sucked at ABC."

We know Tebow sucks at a lot of things, and other good QB's sucked at some of those things too. Drew Brees threw a lot of interceptions early in his career. Aaron Rogers struggled to learn the playbook. Tony Romo wasn't good enough to start. Yes - Tebow is a combination of the suck from all these men. The difference is they got better and Tebow didn't. And all of them had started fewer games at this point in their careers save Brees than Tebow has. And they sucked at some things. Tebow is like the Frankenstein of suck. He's this giant monolith beast that has a passing game assembled from the bad parts other player's passing ability.
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What is truly funny is you guys still arguing over Tebow after he's been gone like a year.

Give it a rest already . None of you are completely right and none of you are completely wrong.

Anti Tebow guy is becoming just as or in way more so annoying than Pro Tebow guy.
It's about to where both sides suck equally as bad as Tebow's footwork .


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Old 05-03-2013, 03:18 PM   #313
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It's an anti-Christian conspiracy.
It's actually already on Facebook mass shares.

"Something, something media discriminates against Tebow for being Christian"

"Something, something gay NBA player doesn't get discriminated against"

"Something, something Obama."

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Old 05-03-2013, 03:52 PM   #314
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Other player's accomplishments don't mean anything. This is like when someone says "if we can put on a man on the moon, we can XYZ." First, those other men at NASA put a man on the moon. You and I weren't there.

Aaron Rogers and Drew Brees needed time to develop, but they had showed an ability to throw the ball downfield at an even basic level. Tebow scans defenses, freaks and then bails. You keep trying to make comparison's in your endless defense of him, for what reason I haven't the faintest idea, by stringing together elements in common he was with other players - elements that don't point toward their ability to be good. Rather than saying "these three players all did XYZ really well" you keep saying "These other players also sucked at ABC."

We know Tebow sucks at a lot of things, and other good QB's sucked at some of those things too. Drew Brees threw a lot of interceptions early in his career. Aaron Rogers struggled to learn the playbook. Tony Romo wasn't good enough to start. Yes - Tebow is a combination of the suck from all these men. The difference is they got better and Tebow didn't. And all of them had started fewer games at this point in their careers save Brees than Tebow has. And they sucked at some things. Tebow is like the Frankenstein of suck. He's this giant monolith beast that has a passing game assembled from the bad parts other player's passing ability.
This is basically an exercise in glossing over the struggles of others while exaggerating Tim's. Yes Tim Struggled. There's no argument there. But Brees struggled with far more than just interceptions. Rodgers struggled throwing the ball when he came into the league just as much as he did understanding the playbook.

Meanwhile Tim was thrown in midseason in a lockout year, found himself handed the fewest passing calls of any QB in the league, and when he did get to throw (when he wasn't hopelessly behind late in the 4th) it was usually out of some goofball high-school looking 2-receiver set that resembled nothing like anything he'd ever played out of.

Tim did struggle more than most of those other guys. But they were given far more help and much better opportunities. Would it have made the difference? Maybe not. But you can't say all things were equal as far as opportunity went. None of those guys had half as many hurdles thrown up in front of them. And at the end of the day, when the chips were down, and when others (Romos,Ortons, etc) start chitting pants, Tim had balls of steel. That's something you just can't coach. And I think he deserves more time to develop based on his 4th quarter performances alone.
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It's actually already on Facebook mass shares.

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Someone should still punch Bowlen in the nuts for the mCd mistake.

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I'm the one most often tagged as Resident Teboner (nowadays anyway). And like I said the day we brought Manning onboard, I would've been stoked to watch Timmy contently sit behind and learn from Peyton.

There would've been no distraction. At least not of the bad kind.

http://jacksonville.com/news/health-...-playrooms-ill
Do you honestly believe that "Broncos" fans who baldly stated as (if it were) fact that (HOF'er) John Elway was afraid to give Tebow a real chance for fear that Tebow would break his records.... would have found any more respect to show for (future HOF'er) Peyton Manning? They wouldn't have. They would have instantly attacked (and did) anyone they felt stood in the way of Tebow being the starting QB.

Elway absolutely made the right decision (not retaining Tebow). It was time for the circus to go somewhere... anywhere.... else.
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Old 05-03-2013, 05:58 PM   #320
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9news the other day ran a stupid facebook survey asking people if the Broncos where better or worse since trading Tebow. I'm sure the point of it was to generate hits/likes. Reading some of the comments from the staunch Tebow crowd is enough to question my faith in humanity. Damn those folks are not only illiterate football fans, but also have some serious entitlement/victimization issues.
I have to say, I'm seeing some comments beneath Youtube videos that are also causing me to judge humanity harshly.

If this goes on much longer, I'm going to stop reading internet comments and generalizing about entire blocks of people.
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It comes down to,does any team want to spend time & money teaching tebow how to be a QB,when he should've known how from the get go.


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It's actually already on Facebook mass shares.

"Something, something media discriminates against Tebow for being Christian"

"Something, something gay NBA player doesn't get discriminated against"

"Something, something Obama."

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I've only seen this one, pointing to the media, but have heard people talk about how Obama called Jason Collins to praise him for being so "brave" to come out of the closet.

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Do you honestly believe that "Broncos" fans who baldly stated as (if it were) fact that (HOF'er) John Elway was afraid to give Tebow a real chance for fear that Tebow would break his records.... would have found any more respect to show for (future HOF'er) Peyton Manning? They wouldn't have. They would have instantly attacked (and did) anyone they felt stood in the way of Tebow being the starting QB.

Elway absolutely made the right decision (not retaining Tebow). It was time for the circus to go somewhere... anywhere.... else.
Exactly.....Beavis seems to forget we had Tebow fans on here wishing someone would take a crowbar to Orton's knees or head (mattered not to them) to get Tebow on the field.....we had Tebow fans proposing hypothetical plane crash where Elway and Fox die thus making the Broncos a much better team....and we had Tebow fans in here b****ing moaning and crying over the Manning signing too.

There is no way they would have had any respect for Manning......
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Exactly.....Beavis seems to forget we had Tebow fans on here wishing someone would take a crowbar to Orton's knees or head (mattered not to them) to get Tebow on the field.....we had Tebow fans proposing hypothetical plane crash where Elway and Fox die thus making the Broncos a much better team....and we had Tebow fans in here b****ing moaning and crying over the Manning signing too.

There is no way they would have had any respect for Manning......
That's just it... if there's anyone who should have earned the utmost of respect from Broncos fans, it's John Elway. If Tebow fans were willing to viciously attack Elway, then they definitely would have attacked Manning too. I recall reading right here on this forum that "it would be a good idea to pull Manning out of a game for Tebow on 3rd down in the red zone." Nevermind that Fox would never have even considered doing that.. no HC in the league would have. And no starting QB in the league would have been happy with any chance at all of something like that happening.

No, keeping Tebow as Manning's backup would not have worked. And I'm very glad it's John Elway who is making those decisions.
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What is truly funny is you guys still arguing over Tebow after he's been gone like a year.

Give it a rest already . None of you are completely right and none of you are completely wrong.

Anti Tebow guy is becoming just as or in way more so annoying than Pro Tebow guy.
It's about to where both sides suck equally as bad as Tebow's footwork .


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Welcome to The Polarization Effect of Tim Tebow where its hard to find the honest middle ground.
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