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Old 04-30-2013, 01:24 PM   #126
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As usual, errand is ham-fistedly addressing a topic, but there is something to it, and if it makes a straight guy uncomfortable that doesn't mean he is homophobic.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:43 PM   #127
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A good test would be if a possible first round NFL draft choice declared himself gay a week before the draft. I have a feeling his draft stock would take a nosedive. Itís a decision the owners and GMís would have to make not the players. I really donít see Elway or a Jerry Jones type owner being comfortable with the pick.
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:10 PM   #128
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A good test would be if a possible first round NFL draft choice declared himself gay a week before the draft. I have a feeling his draft stock would take a nosedive. Itís a decision the owners and GMís would have to make not the players. I really donít see Elway or a Jerry Jones type owner being comfortable with the pick.
You mean what Manti Teo tried so desperately to avoid

Seems to have worked out well enough for him tho. Congrats chargers
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:40 PM   #129
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A good test would be if a possible first round NFL draft choice declared himself gay a week before the draft. I have a feeling his draft stock would take a nosedive. Itís a decision the owners and GMís would have to make not the players. I really donít see Elway or a Jerry Jones type owner being comfortable with the pick.
I can see his stock dropping because they think the media storm will be a distraction, as in Tebow's case, but his stock wouldn't drop just because he is gay.
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:46 PM   #130
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Whats his sexuality have to do with being a basketball player?
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:57 PM   #131
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I can understand if people still dont think that is a good reason for the distinction, but I thought I would just point that out since nobody here has actually pointed out the real reason that hate crimes exist.
except when, you know, I pointed it out.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:00 PM   #132
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I haven't kept current in this tread so excuse me if it was already pointed out but I still don't see what the big deal is.

If you watch any women based sport the majority of them are gay and not hiding it. Look at golf, Softball, Basketball.

I look at the alternative life stylers (gays) the same way as life in the universe, you know there are more of them out there than we know of and we may never know the extent of the number in our lifetimes.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:29 PM   #133
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Because you assume a homosexual cannot or will not control their impulses. And as I said before...if you have played sports or used a locker room in a gym, you have been checked out. Amazingly, you made it out without being made uncomfortable or even made aware it happened.

You also seem to be assuming that a gay athlete is only an athlete to check out straight athletes, which suggests you think that a gay person is incapable of the same drives or competitiveness as a straight guy.

Which is borderline ignorant. Not homophobic. Which seems to be important to you, but just ignorant.

What about in HS? If gay boys can shower with straight why not make the whole locker room coed showers like Starship Troopers?
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:36 PM   #134
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The whole "I don't want some dude hitting on me or looking at my junk" argument is funny to me. It assumes that just because you are a man, and because gay men are attracted to men, that they will all want you. Most of the peopel posting on this board probably look like a bearded potato. I mean do these same guys think most women want them too, since they're also attracted to men? Do you just walk around thinking everyone wants to sex you up like those stupid Axe body spray commercials?
So if a straight man doesn't feel comfortable naked in a shower with gay men should he feel guilty about that. If he feels uncomfortable enough to say listen i want to take my shower after him or before him, does that make him a homophobe?

Looks like the next thing it won't be cool to be is heterosexual.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:46 PM   #135
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So, what was his name?
See? just the fact str8 guys still make fun of being gay, use it as a way to make a joke on a str8 man shows that people don't feel its normal. We accept it, we are tolerant, but its not normal behavoir.

The problem is that in order to not be homophobic it seems like you have to admit that being homosexual totally natural and just as normal as being heterosexual.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:47 PM   #136
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Whats his sexuality have to do with being a basketball player?
Are you kidding? this guy is now being touted as the new Jackie Robinson......
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:53 PM   #137
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See? just the fact str8 guys still make fun of being gay, use it as a way to make a joke on a str8 man shows that people don't feel its normal. We accept it, we are tolerant, but its not normal behavoir.

The problem is that in order to not be homophobic it seems like you have to admit that being homosexual totally natural and just as normal as being heterosexual.
so because dumb people make dumb jokes about homosexuality, we should regard homosexuality as abnormal and undesirable. solid logic. you're really killing it here.
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Old 04-30-2013, 06:35 PM   #138
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"The first openly gay male active in a major American sports league" is a bit long. From now on I will use TFOGMAIMASL. That's better.
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:29 PM   #139
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What about in HS? If gay boys can shower with straight why not make the whole locker room coed showers like Starship Troopers?

So the solution you are proposing is to separate out a minority group to protect the sensitivities of the majority?

Eureka. I wonder if its been tried before?...


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See? just the fact str8 guys still make fun of being gay, use it as a way to make a joke on a str8 man shows that people don't feel its normal. We accept it, we are tolerant, but its not normal behavoir.

The problem is that in order to not be homophobic it seems like you have to admit that being homosexual totally natural and just as normal as being heterosexual.

Straight men make fun of women, too. I suppose that means they are not normal?

What exactly is normal?

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Straight men make fun of women, too. I suppose that means they are not normal?

What exactly is normal?

Shooting guns, drinking beer, shooting guns, blowing weed, shooting more guns, living in a studio apartment/trailer because you spent all your money on guns, beer, ammo, and weed.
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Old 05-01-2013, 03:36 PM   #142
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so because dumb people make dumb jokes about homosexuality, we should regard homosexuality as abnormal and undesirable. solid logic. you're really killing it here.
No the jokes don't make it abnormal. The jokes show us most men still view it as abnormal.
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Old 05-01-2013, 03:42 PM   #143
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So the solution you are proposing is to separate out a minority group to protect the sensitivities of the majority?

Eureka. I wonder if its been tried before?...


I never said that. i just said i can understand why a str8 HS boy still trying to figure out sexuality may not want to shower next to a kid who is openly gay. I think its reasonable to try and have our young men and woman as comfortable as possible in that zone where they are just figuring out sexuality. I don't think putting an openly gay student in the same shower with str8 kids would accomploish that IMO.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:53 PM   #144
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Shooting guns, drinking beer, shooting guns, blowing weed, shooting more guns, living in a studio apartment/trailer because you spent all your money on guns, beer, ammo, and weed.
Terrible stereotyping. The people you are talking about would be smoking meth, not weed.
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:15 AM   #145
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I'd say that what he said was not out of line, mainly because of the way he stated it. There is nothing wrong with his view point, and the way he stated it should not cause controversy (but it probably will because people love to complain).

Rob Parker on the other hand, I'd say that his point about RGIII was not all that off base, but the way he stated it, he totally stuck his foot in his mouth.

When you're talking about a sensitive issues, you have to be careful how you speak about that issue. Chris Broussard stated his point properly, and he was really smart to include pre-marital sex between a man and woman. That took away anybody's point that he was gay bashing. And he also gave the impression that just because he doesn't agree with somebody's lifestyle, he could still get along with them.
Some might argue that having pre-marital sex is a choice, while being gay isn't. And that equating the latter as a sin is demeaning and sort of stupid.
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Old 05-03-2013, 08:12 PM   #146
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Some might argue that having pre-marital sex is a choice, while being gay isn't. And that equating the latter as a sin is demeaning and sort of stupid.
By definition, all sex that isn't rape is a choice. Your logic is not sound.

(I'm not a Christian, and don't have any issues with homosexual sex. I'm just pointing out your logical inconsistency.)
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By definition, all sex that isn't rape is a choice. Your logic is not sound.

(I'm not a Christian, and don't have any issues with homosexual sex. I'm just pointing out your logical inconsistency.)
I think he meant preference and not the actual act.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:46 PM   #148
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I think he meant preference and not the actual act.
Perfect if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:48 PM   #149
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If being gay is not a choice bisexuals can not exist.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:04 PM   #150
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This has got to be pretty weird for twin brother Jarron. Not sure how I'd react if I was a celebrity with a twin and people thought I was the gay famous one.
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