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Old 05-01-2013, 12:55 PM   #101
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Union of Soviet Socialist Republics... hey don't your guys up in DC caucus with a Socialist? That's right, they do, don't they.

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Socialism and communism have never been tried.

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Perhaps the primary concern of any political ideology is who gets to own and control the means the production. This includes factories, farmlands, machinery, etc. Generally there have been three approaches to this question. The first was aristocracy, in which a ruling elite owned the land and productive wealth, and peasants and serfs had to obey their orders in return for their livelihood. The second is capitalism, which has disbanded the ruling elite and allows a much broader range of private individuals to own the means of production. However, this ownership is limited to those who can afford to buy productive wealth; nearly all workers are excluded. The third (and untried) approach is socialism, where everyone owns and controls the means of production, by means of the vote. As you can see, there is a spectrum here, ranging from a few people owning productive wealth at one end, to everyone owning it at the other.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

Those who think the Soviets or even China, are actually socialists, have no idea what the word means. It's laughable to think that the Nazis were socialist.

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Old 05-01-2013, 01:04 PM   #102
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Socialism and communism have never been tried.

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Perhaps the primary concern of any political ideology is who gets to own and control the means the production. This includes factories, farmlands, machinery, etc. Generally there have been three approaches to this question. The first was aristocracy, in which a ruling elite owned the land and productive wealth, and peasants and serfs had to obey their orders in return for their livelihood. The second is capitalism, which has disbanded the ruling elite and allows a much broader range of private individuals to own the means of production. However, this ownership is limited to those who can afford to buy productive wealth; nearly all workers are excluded. The third (and untried) approach is socialism, where everyone owns and controls the means of production, by means of the vote. As you can see, there is a spectrum here, ranging from a few people owning productive wealth at one end, to everyone owning it at the other.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

Those who think the Soviets or even China, are actually socialists, have no idea what the word means. It's laughable to think that the Nazis were socialist.
It's true they've never been tried. And they never will. Because somewhere between reality and utopia, human ambition sets up roadblocks and takes hostages.
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Old 05-01-2013, 05:47 PM   #103
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It's true they've never been tried. And they never will. Because somewhere between reality and utopia, human ambition sets up roadblocks and takes hostages.
these clowns should examine the little known fact that the Pilgrims established a short-lived form of communism.

The land was owned in common; everyone worked for each other and each received an equal allotment of food no matter how hard they worked. This system quickly failed. The women described the communal chores as a form of slavery, men rapidly lost motivation, and the able-bodied feigned illness to avoid work.

As Governor William Bradford described in Of Plymouth Plantation, [The] taking away of property, and bringing in community into a common wealth...was found to breed much confusion & discontent, and retard much employment... He also added that men questioned why should they labor longer and harder to feed those men who did not. Women who had just a husband complained that they would perform the services of washing the clothing, etc. of others who had several family members and not be compensated for it. Basically everyone was equally miserable.

After much debate and prayer, Bradford established a free market system by assigning each family a portion of land and giving them rights to what it produced. He was amazed at the results and credited it with creating the bountiful harvest, and the colony started to thrive.....

these liberals for some stupid reason keep thinking that communism can work if only the right people were in charge of it......
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:16 AM   #104
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these liberals for some stupid reason keep thinking that communism can work if only the right people were in charge of it......
Who's the liberal arguing for another go at communism? That's just another idiotic right-wing straw man with no basis in reality. Most liberals would agree that communism is an unrealistic utopia (just like libertarianism). News flash, genius: communism isn't the same thing as socialism, and socialism isn't the same thing as liberalism. Take a poly sci course sometime and learn something.
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Who's the liberal arguing for another go at communism? That's just another idiotic right-wing straw man with no basis in reality. Most liberals would agree that communism is an unrealistic utopia (just like libertarianism). News flash, genius: communism isn't the same thing as socialism, and socialism isn't the same thing as liberalism. Take a poly sci course sometime and learn something.
Why don't you take your hyperbole sensitivity over to the guy calling everyone he doesn't like a fascist.
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these liberals for some stupid reason keep thinking that communism can work if only the right people were in charge of it......
If somebody was "...in charge of it..." it wouldn't be communism.

I realize it is very difficult for binary thinkers to contemplate the complex world that exists beyond two, diametrically opposed concepts, but it does exist.
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If somebody was "...in charge of it..." it wouldn't be communism.

I realize it is very difficult for binary thinkers to contemplate the complex world that exists beyond two, diametrically opposed concepts Human Nature, but it does exist.
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You're really just clueless, aren't you?
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Funny how the wingnuts are quite happy to talk about the very real practical failings of communism whilst completely ignoring the very real practical failings of capitalism.

That neither system works in practice is why we've never implemented them, and why we shouldn't even try. Its why only a compromise between the two -- a situation that brought us to be the most successful economy in the world -- is feasible.
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Funny how the wingnuts are quite happy to talk about the very real practical failings of communism whilst completely ignoring the very real practical failings of capitalism.

That neither system works in practice is why we've never implemented them, and why we shouldn't even try. Its why only a compromise between the two -- a situation that brought us to be the most successful economy in the world -- is feasible.
There's no such thing as a compromise between communism and capitalism, because of human nature.

SO SAYS BEAVIS!

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On the subject of the Op. it's a trick question. All of the cited republicans are also crazy people.
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Old 05-03-2013, 08:49 AM   #112
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Hillary Clinton "would be the most qualified person to enter the White House in modern history." - Nancy Pelosi, 5/2/2013

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ry_720558.html

The Democrats have seen fit to make this towering intellect their leader in the House of Representatives.
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Hillary Clinton "would be the most qualified person to enter the White House in modern history." - Nancy Pelosi, 5/2/2013

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ry_720558.html

The Democrats have seen fit to make this towering intellect their leader in the House of Representatives.
I don't get it. She's right.
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I don't get it. She's right.
Whatever you think of her, her qualifications dwarf that of a 1 term congressman, the governors of Georgia, Texas and Arkansas, and an actor.

Going back to Nixon, only he and Bush I are comparable to Hillary Clinton.
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Being married to someone famous and powerful and then using that connection to gain office is not the same as being qualified, particularly when her performance in those offices has been completely lackluster. What has she actually accomplished as Senator or SoS?
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Whatever you think of her, her qualifications dwarf that of a 1 term congressman, the governors of Georgia, Texas and Arkansas, and an actor.

Going back to Nixon, only he and Bush I are comparable to Hillary Clinton.
You be right. I may have been too hasty -- community organizing and peanut farming have indeed proven to be awful practice for being President.
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You be right. I may have been too hasty -- community organizing and peanut farming have indeed proven to be awful practice for being President.
You forgot cattle ranching.
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You forgot cattle ranching.
Which one did that -- LBJ? I thought W's ranch didn't have animals.
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