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Old 04-29-2013, 09:12 PM   #51
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Liberals = talk a lot about helping people
Conservatives = do a lot to help people
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So true. The liberals believe in helping, but with other people's money. They like to bad mouth Christianity and churches at every chance, but they do far more to help others than they ever even think of doing. Just the other day a local church helped clean up a home of a man who had just died and there was no one else around to do it apparently, but they offered to help the family despite not even being church members. Good luck ever getting any liberal group to do such a thing, for free at least.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:57 AM   #53
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BUSH jr PEPFAR did more for Africa then probably any leader in the world ever did. Even liberals like Matt Damon admit it and praise him for it.
What a shame that he was simultaneously destroying America.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:29 AM   #54
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...Syria is an immensely complex sectarian civil war, just like the one George W. Bush kick-started in neighboring Iraq that is once again gathering steam after the rank failure of the “surge” to do anything but get us out of there.

We do not have a clue what we are doing. It’s their country and we involve ourselves at our peril. Once we directly intervene in defense of one nebulous faction, we will deeply alienate another. We will be injecting the US into a brutal religious and ethnic civil war. If there is one guarantee that will bring more Jihadism to America, it will be another intervention in a complex Muslim country. The idea that we can win favor in that region by intervening is insane...
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:30 AM   #55
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Some analysts apparently believe that starting America’s third war in a Muslim country in a dozen years would enhance the nation’s reputation in the Middle East. Wrote Princeton’s Anne-Marie Slaughter, a failure to act means Barack Obama “will be remembered as a president who proclaimed a new beginning with the Muslim world but presided over a deadly chapter in the same old story.” Actually, the war in Iraq was supposed to make Muslims the world over love the U.S. Unfortunately, something went wrong along the way.
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Old 04-30-2013, 03:48 PM   #56
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What a shame that he was simultaneously destroying America.
Bush's big failuers were medicare plan B and no child left behind. But both those programs illustrate how much he actually cared about people. The aids work in Africa also illustrates that.

And he removed the biggest enemy we had in the mideast. Sure don't hear much about iraqs govt or military ****ing with anyone huh? Hell best they can do is blow each other up every once in awhile.
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Bush's big failuers were medicare plan B and no child left behind. But both those programs illustrate how much he actually cared about people. The aids work in Africa also illustrates that.

And he removed the biggest enemy we had in the mideast. Sure don't hear much about iraqs govt or military ****ing with anyone huh? Hell best they can do is blow each other up every once in awhile.
Don't forget his other failures,tax cuts and Iraq.
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Iraq was a war he won. Then Obama ****ed it all up by leaving and letting Iran fill the vacume. Meanwhile Obama has completely lost Afghanistan but no one cares. Obama made the biggest mistake any commander can make. He set a date for ending the war regardless of if it was won or not. I'm pretty sure that isn't in the art of war.

Tax cuts a failure? it's never wrong to let Americans have more of their own money. Obama has wasted so much of your tax dollars on failed green energy that money would have been better spent by the private sector.
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Taliban will fomenting terrorism and keeping our drones from Pakistan in a few more years. When we leave they will eventually take Kabul again and control the whole shabang. Taliban probably stronger then ever right now and the poppy harvests keep getting bigger and bigger.
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Iraq was a war he won. Then Obama ****ed it all up by leaving and letting Iran fill the vacume. Meanwhile Obama has completely lost Afghanistan but no one cares. Obama made the biggest mistake any commander can make. He set a date for ending the war regardless of if it was won or not. I'm pretty sure that isn't in the art of war.

Tax cuts a failure? it's never wrong to let Americans have more of their own money. Obama has wasted so much of your tax dollars on failed green energy that money would have been better spent by the private sector.
Obama pulled the troops out of Iraq based on the timetable set by Bush and Rumsfeld. The Status of Forces Agreement that the Bush Administration signed with the Iraq government specified that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011. It was Bush that set the date. Not Obama.

And, as Edward Koch put it, "We left because Iraq would not allow us to remain there indefinitely and insisted that if we did remain on at all, American troops would be subject to Iraqi law and Iraqi courts for all of their military actions, which the U.S. would not agree to because it would have exposed American soldiers to personal liability in Iraqi courts."

When will you Righties get tired of mangling history?
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Obama pulled the troops out of Iraq based on the timetable set by Bush and Rumsfeld. The Status of Forces Agreement that the Bush Administration signed with the Iraq government specified that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011. It was Bush that set the date. Not Obama.

And, as Edward Koch put it, "We left because Iraq would not allow us to remain there indefinitely and insisted that if we did remain on at all, American troops would be subject to Iraqi law and Iraqi courts for all of their military actions, which the U.S. would not agree to because it would have exposed American soldiers to personal liability in Iraqi courts."

When will you Righties get tired of mangling history?

The White Houses failure to force iraq to accepting an armed forces agreement that keeps our boys out of their courts would not have been that hard. They just used that for the excuse to leave and it was a huge huge blunder. Does iran care they don't have an agreement as they fly weapons to Syria? hell they probably have been flying them the best in surface to air missiles hoping to make some hits once we do a no fly zone. It was a foreign policy loss for Obama any way you shake it. Either he wanted to leave no forces their which is a mistake, or he failed to get Iraq to agree on an agreement. Also a loss. Either way not a good move by our king.
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Iraq was a war he won. Then Obama ****ed it all up by leaving and letting Iran fill the vacume. Meanwhile Obama has completely lost Afghanistan but no one cares. Obama made the biggest mistake any commander can make. He set a date for ending the war regardless of if it was won or not. I'm pretty sure that isn't in the art of war.

Tax cuts a failure? it's never wrong to let Americans have more of their own money. Obama has wasted so much of your tax dollars on failed green energy that money would have been better spent by the private sector.
Iraq was a war we had no business being in. A ****ing blunder born out of incompetence & lies.
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The White Houses failure to force iraq to accepting an armed forces agreement that keeps our boys out of their courts would not have been that hard. They just used that for the excuse to leave and it was a huge huge blunder. Does iran care they don't have an agreement as they fly weapons to Syria? hell they probably have been flying them the best in surface to air missiles hoping to make some hits once we do a no fly zone. It was a foreign policy loss for Obama any way you shake it. Either he wanted to leave no forces their which is a mistake, or he failed to get Iraq to agree on an agreement. Also a loss. Either way not a good move by our king.
You and your damn conspiracy theories.
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The White Houses failure to force iraq to accepting an armed forces agreement that keeps our boys out of their courts would not have been that hard. They just used that for the excuse to leave and it was a huge huge blunder. Does iran care they don't have an agreement as they fly weapons to Syria? hell they probably have been flying them the best in surface to air missiles hoping to make some hits once we do a no fly zone. It was a foreign policy loss for Obama any way you shake it. Either he wanted to leave no forces their which is a mistake, or he failed to get Iraq to agree on an agreement. Also a loss. Either way not a good move by our king.


What a ****ing tool.

Okay so lets take score. Bush leads us into a war through fabrication of evidence and its a great policy decision. Obama is...wait for it...unable to convince a leader of a sovereign nation to keep our troops in his nation because we want then to be exempt from their laws...and that, ladies and gentlemen, is a policy failure.

There you have it, folks. A Meisterwerk. A magnum opus, if you will. From the guy who told us the police would need all the help they can get from armed citizens during a terrorist attack.

Ladies and germs, we have reached a new level of dumb on this forum.

Dumber than a brain dead lonestar...!
Crazier than the knuckle-dragging txtebow...!
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What a ****ing tool.

Okay so lets take score. Bush leads us into a war through fabrication of evidence and its a great policy decision. Obama is...wait for it...unable to convince a leader of a sovereign nation to keep our troops in his nation because we want then to be exempt from their laws...and that, ladies and gentlemen, is a policy failure.

There you have it, folks. A Meisterwerk. A magnum opus, if you will. From the guy who told us the police would need all the help they can get from armed citizens during a terrorist attack.

Ladies and germs, we have reached a new level of dumb on this forum.

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What a ****ing tool.
Right?!? Some of the dumbest posts I've ever seen in the WRP. But it's free, unintentional comedy. So at least there's that!
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If Assad is using Sarin gas on innocent people, I think it's the world's responsibility, Russia included, to stop him. It's not just the responsibility of the U.S.

And as far as Afganistan goes, nobody "wins" in Afghanistan. The Russians learned that. The English learned it. If there is one lesson of history that should have been pounded into peoples' brains by now, it's the fact that nobody "wins" in Afghanistan. It's like attacking Russia in the winter. You don't do it. The U.S. target and goals in Afghanistan should have been extremely limited: Take out Al Queda. Once we killed bin Laden, we should have immediately pulled out.

So why stay in Afghanistan? Or Korea? Or Germany? Or all the other places where we spend billions of dollars to keep a military presence?
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If Assad is using Sarin gas on innocent people, I think it's the world's responsibility, Russia included, to stop him. It's not just the responsibility of the U.S.

And as far as Afganistan goes, nobody "wins" in Afghanistan. The Russians learned that. The English learned it. If there is one lesson of history that should have been pounded into peoples' brains by now, it's the fact that nobody "wins" in Afghanistan. It's like attacking Russia in the winter. You don't do it. The U.S. target and goals in Afghanistan should have been extremely limited: Take out Al Queda. Once we killed bin Laden, we should have immediately pulled out.

So why stay in Afghanistan? Or Korea? Or Germany? Or all the other places where we spend billions of dollars to keep a military presence?
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It's the heroin, stupid.

Which is why this is the longest war in US history.
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What a ****ing tool.

Okay so lets take score. Bush leads us into a war through fabrication of evidence and its a great policy decision. Obama is...wait for it...unable to convince a leader of a sovereign nation to keep our troops in his nation because we want then to be exempt from their laws...and that, ladies and gentlemen, is a policy failure.

There you have it, folks. A Meisterwerk. A magnum opus, if you will. From the guy who told us the police would need all the help they can get from armed citizens during a terrorist attack.

Ladies and germs, we have reached a new level of dumb on this forum.

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Which sovereign nation are you referring to?
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It's the heroin, stupid.

Which is why this is the longest war in US history.
Please explain.
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Please explain.
Hes saying the CIA likes to sell herion so we make the war really long. That way its a cover for our harvest of herion we sell all over the world to make money for our hidden and covert illegal wars.
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Obama lost his war, gave back iraq, crushed our economy and the liberals want to give him an award.

You people can say what you want but when you are fighting a war you don't set a date for your withdraw until you win. Where is that iraqi army? Saddam, his sons? Dead. Where is the Taliban leader who let us get attacked by Bin Laden? Re-taking Afghanistan making every solider that died there die for nothing. Why Because Obama wanted to leave before it was done. All people do is make informal falacies in the WRP. Saying someone is an idiot doesn't make you right. You can spin it all you want but Bush was vicotrious in Iraq and Obama losing everywhere.
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Obama lost his war, gave back iraq, crushed our economy and the liberals want to give him an award.

You people can say what you want but when you are fighting a war you don't set a date for your withdraw until you win. Where is that iraqi army? Saddam, his sons? Dead. Where is the Taliban leader who let us get attacked by Bin Laden? Re-taking Afghanistan making every solider that died there die for nothing. Why Because Obama wanted to leave before it was done. All people do is make informal falacies in the WRP. Saying someone is an idiot doesn't make you right. You can spin it all you want but Bush was vicotrious in Iraq and Obama losing everywhere.
Time to stop boozing.

Jeezus.
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Time to stop boozing.

Jeezus.
So then you think when fighting a way its a good idea to announce what day you will quit by regardless of the situation on the ground?

Go ask 1000 generals if they agree with you.
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Obama lost his war, gave back iraq, crushed our economy and the liberals want to give him an award.

You people can say what you want but when you are fighting a war you don't set a date for your withdraw until you win. Where is that iraqi army? Saddam, his sons? Dead. Where is the Taliban leader who let us get attacked by Bin Laden? Re-taking Afghanistan making every solider that died there die for nothing. Why Because Obama wanted to leave before it was done. All people do is make informal falacies in the WRP. Saying someone is an idiot doesn't make you right. You can spin it all you want but Bush was vicotrious in Iraq and Obama losing everywhere.
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