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Old 04-29-2013, 08:02 AM   #26
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And then in 9th grade western civ you learn that both were extreme conservative right wingers. You can also pick these things up in 9th grade Latin class when studying the roots of fascism. Or in College-level political science.
hehe. You might want to get your money back then.

Hitler was a socialist. He said so many times. He used his belief in socialism to justify what he did to the Jews and other Germans. Now I realize that doesn't set well with today's socialists, but it's something they need to deal with.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:07 AM   #28
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Hitler was a socialist. He said so many times. He used his belief in socialism to justify what he did to the Jews and other Germans. Now I realize that doesn't set well with today's socialists, but it's something they need to deal with.
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One problem for ya, Pony - those are fringe lefties.

Limbaugh, Santorum, Beck, and Bachmann are the core of your GOP.
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In a situation like this, of course you identify with everyone who’s suffering. [But we must also think about] the terrorists who are creating such horrible future lives for themselves because of the negativity of this karma. It’s all of our jobs to keep our minds as expansive as possible. If you can see [the terrorists] as a relative who’s dangerously sick and we have to give them medicine, and the medicine is love and compassion. There’s nothing better. — Richard Gere
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:17 AM   #32
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If I call its tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?
"If P, then Q" P does not determine if Q is true of false. The dog would still have 4 legs.

But to your point...let's ask the Dog.

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

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One problem for ya, Pony - those are fringe lefties.

Limbaugh, Santorum, Beck, and Bachmann are the core of your GOP.
No, they are worshipers of Obama and they have millions of blind sheep that follow them and do as they do.
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I propose a limitation be put on how many squares of toilet paper can be used in any one sitting. Now, I don't want to rob any law-abiding American of his or her God-given rights, but I think we are an industrious enough people that we can make it work with only one square per restroom visit, except, of course, on those pesky occasions where 2 to 3 could be required. Sheryl Crow on Global Warming
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One problem for ya, Pony - those are fringe lefties.

Limbaugh, Santorum, Beck, and Bachmann are the core of your GOP.
Exactly right. Huge difference. The average progressive has nothing in common with the people he's quoting.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:28 AM   #36
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hehe. You might want to get your money back then.

Hitler was a socialist. He said so many times. He used his belief in socialism to justify what he did to the Jews and other Germans. Now I realize that doesn't set well with today's socialists, but it's something they need to deal with.
If you can't understand the difference between socialism and national socialism, well...there's no hope for you.
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No, they are worshipers of Obama and they have millions of blind sheep that follow them and do as they do.
All the people you quoted combined don't have "millions of blind sheep that follow them". Meanwhile the people W*gs mentioned are pretty much the leaders of the GOP. Can you seriously not understand the difference?
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He was a socialist and was part of the German National Socialist Party. Mussolini and his party in Italy were facist. People typically learn this sort of thing in 7th grade history.
And North Korea calls itself the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
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If you can't understand the difference between socialism and national socialism, well...there's no hope for you.
I can take a **** in a box and mark guaranteed on it , but that doesn't mean I have a quality product. The Nazi's practiced economic socialism, period. It's was in their message and actions until the end.
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I can take a **** in a box and mark guaranteed on it , but that doesn't mean I have a quality product. The Nazi's practiced economic socialism, period. It's was in their message and actions until the end.
Maybe we can finally put this stupidity to rest. BTW, Hitler didn't name the party. He joined it and took it over. Here's a response to that old chestnut from a poster in another forum that does all the work I am loathe to do for you. Why? Because you'll ignore it anyway:

The Nazis most resoundingly were NOT socialists by the only valid definition extant, and the verifiable evidence is absolutely unanimous and overwhelming.

William L. Shirer in THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH noted that there was little or no socialism in "National Socialism".

Thyssen (I PAID HITLER and many others) pointed out that the "marriage" of business and the National Socialist Party, despite Hitler's contempt for aristocracy and business in general, guaranteed high profits for businesses. Ironically, his steel company was seized over what amounted to a personal hassle with the hierarchy, and handed over for administration and profit to Krupp/von Bohlen, rather than being "nationalized" in the pure sense, which is what would've happened in a left wing state.

Albert Speer, the Third Reich's last Armaments Minister, in INSIDE THE THIRD REICH makes clear that he had great difficulty controlling fiefdoms and bailiwicks of various private firms well into 1944, when the war was already going to pieces. He also notes the privatization of all the formerly state-owned arsenals, even the huge ones at Suhl, Spandau, and Amberg (13 in all!).

Public education, of course, had been one of the key features of all organized states since Roman times. And National Public Health in Germany was enacted 1871-83, before Hitler was BORN, by the Bismarck government.

Hitler's state enacted NO new welfare programs, and eliminated many, sending former "loafers" to the death or work camps. Almost none qualified for military service, as the Weimar Republic had always claimed.

Hitler, of course, much like today's conservatives, attacked the Weimar government as "intrusive" and "socialist", and he HATED "Bolshevism" and "social democrats" (socialists), and proclaimed it loudly on almost every page of MEIN KAMPF.

Bullock, Toland, Heisler, and hundreds of others verify that there was no nationalization in Nazi Germany, and indeed, the general trend was in the other direction. Railroads were amalgamated and standardized for military purposes, but this had been a plan for at least 80 years!

Himmler, well before the Wannsee Conference, and after the "Night of the Long Knives", which eventuated the disposal of any and all left-sympathizing party members, including Ernst Roehm, about 1938, enunciated to a mass meeting of the SchutzStaffel (S.S.): "We are of the right and of order. We shall sweep away Jews, Bolsheviks, and liberal democracies as one sweeps away flies."

Here's the deal: You can hear LOTS of things, especially if listening to clowns. But every scholar clearly identifies the Nazis with the right wing, and no one serious does NOT identify them with the reactionary right wing. All the historians agree.

The inclusion of the "s" word was a clumsy but sometimes convenient leftover from a merger well described in the literature. They even used it, short term, through tracts written by the Strasser brothers, to con working men into acquiescing to the movement. For their leftist-sounding pamphlets, the Strassers were murdered. And anyone who suggested in Germany, once they took power, that Nazis were "progressive" or "leftists" would've been killed for his statement.

It's the scholarship that counts. Drunks in bars and idiots spewing madness in chat rooms are not sources of ANY kind! And the same applied to uncredentialed and unportfolioed so-called "pundits" who claim Nazis were "progressive" or "liberal", which is a huge, undocumented, insidious, and criminal lie.

No, Hitler and the Nazis were about as far from "socialists" as it is possible to be.
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We have to pass it to find out what is in it. Nancy Pelosi.
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No, they are worshipers of Obama and they have millions of blind sheep that follow them and do as they do.
Santorum, Bachmann, and Cain were credible nominees for your party's candidacy for President.

Limbaugh and Beck are two of the most influential voices of your party.

Not even close.
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hehe. You might want to get your money back then.

Hitler was a socialist. He said so many times. He used his belief in socialism to justify what he did to the Jews and other Germans. Now I realize that doesn't set well with today's socialists, but it's something they need to deal with.
So North Korea is a Democratic Republic eh? Who knew?
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Limbaugh and Beck are two of the most influential voices of your party.
Huh, a guy who's favorite primary candidate got bounced right away and an out-of-work TV show host have all the influence?

Isn't "influence" supposed to show some kind of, you know, influence?
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Maybe we can finally put this stupidity to rest. BTW, Hitler didn't name the party. He joined it and took it over. Here's a response to that old chestnut from a poster in another forum that does all the work I am loathe to do for you. Why? Because you'll ignore it anyway:
With guys like Hitler, titles don't really matter. The guy would've called himself a Hare Krishna if he thought it might've even marginally helped his grip on power. Trying to duct tape a guy like him to any serious ideological group is usually the lowest form of ad hominem.
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Any disparity of opinion is ruthlessly stamped out on the Right. Pony Boy assumes the same thing holds true on the Left. Such is the disease called binary thinking.
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Huh, a guy who's favorite primary candidate got bounced right away and an out-of-work TV show host have all the influence?

Isn't "influence" supposed to show some kind of, you know, influence?
Whether they won or not they either held positions or ran for them. The same can't be said for most/all of the people pony quoted.

As for influence, Limbaugh's influence in particular has been demonstrated over and over again. And even if you ignore his influence his voice is not that of a radical in the GOP.

You're smart enough to see that this is an apples/oranges comparison.
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With guys like Hitler, titles don't really matter. The guy would've called himself a Hare Krishna if he thought it might've even marginally helped his grip on power. Trying to duct tape a guy like him to any serious ideological group is usually the lowest form of ad hominem.
The Nazis were a radical, reactionary, xenophobic, rascist, anti-democratic, Right Wing movement. Where the shoe fits...
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The Nazis were a radical, reactionary, xenophobic, rascist, anti-democratic, Right Wing movement. Where the shoe fits...
Don't forget they were also in favor of expanded gun rights, reworking the definition of citizenship based on race, and creating fake communist threats to drum up support for their own narrow-minded ideas.

Man, the more things change...
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capitalism <3's fascism

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All had their favorite dictator.

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