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Old 04-29-2013, 09:25 AM   #26
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I think teams give up on players too early at times. Broncos don't seem too be doing that. There is a realistic shot of having 6 defensive starters from the last 3 draft this year (Wolfe, Sly, Von, Irving, Carter, Moore) with a few other making Key contributions to Nickle/Dime or as rotation guys (Jackson, Trevathon, Bolden, Harris (FA)).

On the offensive side they have Franklin, Ball and Hillman ready to make an impact. They haven't had as many offensive picks, but they have given the other young guy a better chance to succeed. People were ready to give up on Walton and Beadles. Look at how much Decker and Thomas have progressed.

I trust this front office and coaching staff so much more than the previous one. Most picks they have made have been good value, and all have adressed need.

In regards to this draft, with the exception of Sly and Ball, you have to be patient. Broncos were a 13-3 team last year on the cusp of the super bowl. The only real starter they lost was Dumerville. They have 2 potential starters coming off injuries that weren't last of their run (Carter and Walton). And they signed 3 starters to upgrade in the off-season (knighton, DRC, welker). There isn't as much room for an immediate impact as the last 2 years.

If you're upset about the draft, get over it. If it's because you like one rb/cb better than who they drafted, give these guys a chance. If it's because you think they needed a lb or safety, Broncos D was awesome with Brooking, moore in his second year and Adams. Can what they put out next year really be a downgrade from that?
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:39 PM   #27
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Fox doesn't start rookies? since when, most of his better D players in Carolina started as rookies.
DeAngelo Williams started as a rookie. he's started rookies on the Broncos, Von,Orlando,Wolfe,Moore,Carter

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Elway has done better in FA (the Peyton Manning effect), than in the draft. People don't like to acknowledge this, but Elway inherited a half-ass decent team, and still has a lot of the same players and coaches. Elway has only drafted a few starters, Von, Franklin, Wolfe.

You can count Rahim Moore as a starter in his second year, but it's questionable if he'll be signed to a second contract, IMO. Quinton Carter got some playing time and he's a good depth guy. Elway drafted two TE's his first year, both of them got supplanted as starters by FA's Dreessen and Tamme in Elway's second year.

Omar Bolden could be a starter at some point, they let him play a few snaps in relief of Chris Harris at RCB as a rookie, and it looks like he does have decent coverage skills, certainly contributed well on ST's.

Nate Irving hasn't been able to crack the starting lineup as a 3rd-rounder, dude has like 4 tackles in 2 years, that includes ST play. Both Dennis Allen and JDR tried to work him in, had to go FA with Brooking and thought so little of Irving they signed Joe Mays to a big contract.

Philip Blake, Malik Jackson, Jeremy Beal, role players and ST'rs IMO. Trevathan looks like a keeper as a role player, could even call him a "starter" in a nickle defense.

Ronnie Hillman? If the guy can't pass block and doesn't produce dramatically elsewhere he may not be worth a second contract. He didn't do either his first year.
not every draft produces instant starters. some take a few years. other guys build depth. a half ass decent team? we won 4 games before he took over.
our talent was pure crap and the development of the guys McDaniels drafted didn't take place until the new coaching staff came in.
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:16 PM   #28
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Yes, the Draft thread was turning into a typical game-day thread after that move back. Meltdowns and hissy-fits were common. You would think they just traded away next year's 1st for an under-sized & slow CB from Maryland(?).

The funny thing was that when the Broncos got Q. Smith in the 5th, the SAME GUYS were doing back flips in joy!
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:40 AM   #29
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:43 AM   #30
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:50 AM   #31
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DeAngelo Williams started as a rookie.
Williams started 2 games his rookie year and 0 his 2nd pro season.
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...W/WillDe02.htm

Jonathan Stewart started 0 his rookie year and 3 his 2nd year.
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/StewJo00.htm

Both those guys were taken in the 1st, and Carolilna had ok to good options at RB at the time (Foster & then Williams) so it's not completely analogous to this year's Denver team. I actually think Ball's PT depends on his ability as a pass blocker because Denver doesn't have the most optimal RB situation outside of him.
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Thanks for posting, but I hate everyone sitting at that table so much that I shut it off immediately.
You're missing out, hater. They all basically say we're way awesome. Then Herm goes on a nonsensical tangent and is a moron.
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