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Old 04-26-2013, 08:43 AM   #51
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I like Williams and would have stuck with it. I have been in love with the idea of having a "Niel Smith" type to go along with Von Miller as Derrick Thomas. I think this move gives us the kind of defense that teams really have to game plan around, and that's a huge plus for us given the strength of our offense.
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:45 AM   #52
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Stayed, basically they gained a 3rd and a 4th for there 1st, I'll pass.
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:55 AM   #53
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Patriots also traded out when they could have taken Clay Mathews. Might as well take a chance on a talent like Williams which wouldn't be around with those other picks.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:08 AM   #54
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We were never offered the same deal

"Broncos had one chance to trade back but it was only a couple spots and at time all their targets were still on

their board and it wouldn't have generated an extra pick in the top 4 rounds. It was probably good Broncos didn't move back from No. 28 because New England was ready to take DT Sylvester Williams at No. 29. The Broncos also had CB Xavier Rhodes and DE Datone Jones, along with Williams, on their wish list. Rhodes went No. 25 to Minnesota and Jones went No. 26 to Green Bay."

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Old 04-26-2013, 09:13 AM   #55
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I was going to say same before Eddie Mac's post. NE is better at trading getting return.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:16 AM   #56
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I'm not even sure what the argument is. Now, you can disagree with the Broncos draft board, but knowing they only had 23 first round grades, and Williams was the only one left, then he's worth the value there. The logic is sound.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:21 AM   #57
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Stayed. I don't think the Pats deal is that good as while they got four picks, they are all later in the rounds. Denver stayed true to its draft board and took the best player on that. I have no problem with that.
Diddo.

I was all for moving back if the right player wasn't there. I've been screaming for a DT the whole time and this guy looks like a really good one. Getting an extra pick or 2 is nice but the appeal of having like 9 picks or more, with most of them in the later rounds, just doesn't appeal to me, not when you have to give up some of your early picks. I would rather the chance at an impact player if there is one on the board. The Broncos felt like there was a player such as that. Let's face it. 9 or 10 rookies would not have made this team.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:28 AM   #58
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We were never offered the same deal

"Broncos had one chance to trade back but it was only a couple spots and at time all their targets were still on

their board and it wouldn't have generated an extra pick in the top 4 rounds. It was probably good Broncos didn't move back from No. 28 because New England was ready to take DT Sylvester Williams at No. 29. The Broncos also had CB Xavier Rhodes and DE Datone Jones, along with Williams, on their wish list. Rhodes went No. 25 to Minnesota and Jones went No. 26 to Green Bay."

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nice to see we got one of our top 3. does show we want a CB and DE in this draft though.
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:39 AM   #59
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I've had a chance to get through some of the first reaction to the Williams pick. If you guys have a chance, go to DenverBroncos.com and watch their videos. They have video of them calling Williams and their press conference.

In the PC, someone asks them if they thought about trading up or down. Elway mentions that they actually had an offer to trade back (probably the deal the Patriots got) but declined it because they were so enamored with Williams falling to them. (Sharif Floyd falling threw off a lot of mocks)

The Pats got a second (52nd overall), third (83rd), fourth (102nd) and seventh-round pick (229th) from the Vikings.

I don't know the Vikings made any kind of offer to Denver, or if the value was even close that. I am just speculating because a lot of times when a team trades up, the first team they talk to declines and they work their way down until they get a trading partner.

My question: Would you have made that pick or would you have picked up that haul the Pats got?
If you are a BPA kind of cat, you make the pick

If you are a PON kind of cat, you get the picks and plug some holes or try to upgrade a few positions.

For me, I wouldn't surrender taking the best player at 28, to me, any pick after that is a theorectical compromise on talent and impact. I like the pick, I am really just happy we are stacking up the D-Line rotation, for years we b****ed and moaned about the rentals or retreads we had on our missionary defense... I like it.
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I like the pick..

But if you had two picks in the third and fourth.. You could package both and move up into the second twice, and have 4 second rounders....

2. Lacy RB
2. Te'o/Brown/Minter MLB
2. Moore/Tank DE
2. Short DT

Just saying..
I more accurate assessment is something like...

Would you trade Sylvester Williams for Kawann Short and the #67 overall player?

Guess we'll have to wait and see who's available at #67, but like others have said...I don't think that trade was available to us. Patriots probably were looking to deal out of that pick and had various trade down scenarios already scoped out.

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Old 04-26-2013, 09:54 AM   #61
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What is the value of the 3 vets we cut for the rookies we are bringing in. Why leverage volume in the middle rounds of a sub par class?
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:06 AM   #62
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For me, I wouldn't surrender taking the best player at 28, to me, any pick after that is a theoretical compromise on talent and impact. I like the pick, I am really just happy we are stacking up the D-Line rotation, for years we b****ed and moaned about the rentals or retreads we had on our missionary defense... I like it.
This is correct.

Their guy was available...so they pounced. I don't understand how anyone can be upset with this pick. They added a very productive player at the bottom of the first round. That's great.

It would have been foolish to trade out of the spot for lesser players.
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Like the Carolina GM responded when asked why he jumped on Star so quickly when there were trade offers available, "Why trade a dollar for three dimes?"
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Like the Carolina GM responded when asked why he jumped on Star so quickly when there were trade offers available, "Why trade a dollar for three dimes?"
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Diddo.

I was all for moving back if the right player wasn't there. I've been screaming for a DT the whole time and this guy looks like a really good one. Getting an extra pick or 2 is nice but the appeal of having like 9 picks or more, with most of them in the later rounds, just doesn't appeal to me, not when you have to give up some of your early picks. I would rather the chance at an impact player if there is one on the board. The Broncos felt like there was a player such as that. Let's face it. 9 or 10 rookies would not have made this team.
I agree. What's the point of stockpiling picks only to release a bunch of them after training camp? I'd always, always rather the Broncos draft an impact player in the first round than stockpile and hope for results. I'd have no problem if the Broncos make a few trades tonight, get the players they want and be done quickly rounds 2-3. Then, if they want to gamble on a few guys like Scott on Saturday, fine.
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Sorry but the whole AFCW just sh?? their pants. If Sly Williams does what they envision him to do distrupt the interior of the line game over. Von will destroy the AFCW this year or the inside rush (Wolfe/Williama) will destroy the AFCW when the have to commit a double team to Von

Throw in another edge rusher. Wow

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Old 04-26-2013, 01:40 PM   #67
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The one word I would argue is gutless. They do a brilliant job of trading and compiling picks. The word I would probably associate with the Patriots is hubris. However, they are constantly stacked with talent and competing in the playoffs, so it is what it is. If course, the interesting turn for the Pats will be when Tommy boy decides to hang up the cleats. They could turn into an average team, or use a boatload of picks on their own "Andrew Luck."

Oh well, interesting discussion. I'm glad we got a player we feel is an instant starter.
New England hasn't been stacked with talent in a long time. They just have one of the greatest QBs of all-time and play in a very weak division.
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:32 PM   #69
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Like the Carolina GM responded when asked why he jumped on Star so quickly when there were trade offers available, "Why trade a dollar for three dimes?"
Yeah, this. 52 is your first pick? That's kind of a tough pill to swallow when a guy you have as one of the three you want and were hoping he would fall to you is right there.

People are saying the only reason NE traded back was because Sly was not there for them. If Sly was there at #29 they would have picked him. The word is NE had the same three guys THEY were hoping would fall to them - Rhodes, Datone, Sly Williams.

Now, if NE wants an impact guy that is falling in round 2 they'll have to find a partner and that may be difficult. Denver can still make the same move up if they please and scoop NE again, but at least they got their one bird in the hand . . . .
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New England hasn't been stacked with talent in a long time. They just have one of the greatest QBs of all-time and play in a very weak division.
Welker, Gronk, Wilfork and their running game. Their kickers aren't bad. They've got some guys. They just suck at drafting.
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