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Old 04-24-2013, 10:52 AM   #26
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"There will be 13-15 players picked in the first round that are true first-rounders," he said. "That's a fairly low number."

Last year, according to the general manager, there were 20-23 players who were true first-rounders. That's about average.
Even 20-23 should be below average. The average number of first rounders should be 32 by it's own definition, or they should re-evaluate how to give out first round grades. I think this is an average year for first round talent, but there aren't any elite prospects with top 5 grades.
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Even 20-23 should be below average. The average number of first rounders should be 32 by it's own definition, or they should re-evaluate how to give out first round grades. I think this is an average year for first round talent, but there aren't any elite prospects with top 5 grades.
No, ~ 20 - 25 or so first round grades would be a strong draft. How many years can you think of where 32 teams were truly getting first round value with their selections? (Especially late in the first round.) Hardly, if ever, and the successes (or lack thereof) regarding high picks proves that point.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:06 AM   #28
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No, ~ 20 - 25 or so first round grades would be a strong draft. How many years can you think of where 32 teams were truly getting first round value with their selections? (Especially late in the first round.) Hardly, if ever, and the successes (or lack thereof) regarding high picks proves that point.
Not very many years by their high standards. They need to redraw the line of what makes a "true" first round grade so that the average is close to 32. Use top 20 and top 10 grades to get more specific.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:06 AM   #29
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Can't disagree with this assessment. Worst draft I've seen in a very long time.

I'm just glad KC has the first pick.
If it's the "worst" draft in decades, wouldn't it be more beneficial to have the 1st pick of a bad lot?
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:10 AM   #30
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The weakness of this draft at the top could also work out for some guys at the bottom. A couple of months ago, my favorite sleeper was Earl Wolffe, SS from NC State. At the time, he was listed as a probable UDFA. Now I'm seeing him on some boards in the 4th and 5th rounds. One of my barometers for this draft is Chase Thomas, OLB from Stanford. He should be a solid fourth round pick. I'll be real curious to see if he jumps up into the third. The high effort guys who aren't picture perfect on the measurables might be moving up in this one.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:12 AM   #31
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If it's the "worst" draft in decades, wouldn't it be more beneficial to have the 1st pick of a bad lot?
If you like to overpay, sure. You want to pay Von Miller bucks for a guy who might be a mid-first round pick in a good draft year?
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:16 AM   #32
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I agree. All three are at least as good, but I was not as high as some on Long coming out. The guards are damn good too.
Someone asked who the third best OG after Warmack and Cooper in the draft.

Larry Warford
DJ Fluker
Kyle Long
Justin Pugh

I thought the best answer was this;
"Well if we're counting Fluker as a guard, the answer is Jonathan Cooper".
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I don't see Fluker having any problems at all playing RT, and being damn good at it. I won't be surprised at all if the Rams take him at 16. I did in the OM mock.
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I don't see Fluker having any problems at all playing RT, and being damn good at it. I won't be surprised at all if the Rams take him at 16. I did in the OM mock.
He is a good player that is sure. I just though the answer was funny.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:25 AM   #35
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I don't see Fluker having any problems at all playing RT, and being damn good at it. I won't be surprised at all if the Rams take him at 16. I did in the OM mock.
He won't see the light of day past Dallas.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:28 AM   #36
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The top tackle prospects are absolutely better than Long and Clady were.
but they are going #1 and #2 or #1 and #3 or something like that.


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Quarterbacks shape a draft the way they shape teams. This general manager believes that none of the quarterbacks is an actual first-round talent. I find that borderline silly as Geno Smith certainly is; but this GM is not alone in his thinking. It does say a lot about this quarterback class when Ryan Nassib could be a top-10 pick. One scout called him Ryan NaLeaf, a totally unfair comparison to the epic bust, Ryan Leaf. Unfair, but kind of funny.
that is pretty funny.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:29 AM   #37
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Thought this was a thread about the Broncos '03 draft. My bad.
sweet Jesus that draft was horrendous. i always remember it as the Terry Pierce **** up but man alive that was so awful it hurts my eyes.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:47 AM   #38
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I wouldn't be surprised if 3 or even 4 QBs go in the first round. It such an important position.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:52 AM   #39
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sweet Jesus that draft was horrendous. i always remember it as the Terry Pierce **** up but man alive that was so awful it hurts my eyes.
That was the year Shanny screwed up big time and messed up the Kyle Boller trade with Baltimore. NE swoped in completed the trade and the next year NE used the 1st round pick from Balt on Vince Wolfork

Foster may have been there in the 2nd
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I always find it hilarious to read these threads. According to those that have posted, and we're only two pages in, we've gotten the following exact opposite sentiments:

- This is the worst draft class ever.
- This is the deepest draft class ever.

- This draft is bad for RBs and WRs.
- There is enormous talent at WR and RB.

- There's no talent in this draft after the first two rounds.
- There's a ton of talent in this draft after the first two rounds.
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:12 PM   #41
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I would say Joeckel, Fisher and Jordan are every bit worthy of a top pick as it can get.

May not be a generational player, but I still believe those guys will be very good players for a long time.
You are such a Queefs apologist.

First, you were beating your chest about KC finally getting a franchise-caliber QB in Geno Smith. It was Geno this and Geno that for a few months.

You're in the minority among your fanbase that likes the tackles because most fans feel sick about tomorrow's draft.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=272425

There was a time when the franchise LT was a cornerstone, but welcome to the new era where having Jake Long or Joe Thomas doesn't really mean ****. When teams are plucking Duane Brown at No. 26 or Joe Staley at pick 28, you know you're not really getting value with Fisher or Joeckel that high.
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Yeah from all the Jetsfans throwing stale beers from the balconies after the Jets **** it up again.
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:24 PM   #43
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worst draft in 10 years eh? Well a big fat J. Cutty "DOOON'T CAAAARE!"
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:28 PM   #44
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When the Queefs take the next Jason Smith or Robert Gallery, we'll see if this Fear Lanier turd will own up to it.
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I always find it hilarious to read these threads. According to those that have posted, and we're only two pages in, we've gotten the following exact opposite sentiments:

- This is the worst draft class ever.
- This is the deepest draft class ever.

- This draft is bad for RBs and WRs.
- There is enormous talent at WR and RB.

- There's no talent in this draft after the first two rounds.
- There's a ton of talent in this draft after the first two rounds.
Really its because it is how you define a draft. Neither point is wrong, if that is how you define it.

However, that claim by a GM is simply to protect himself when he does not do well in this draft. As you said earlier, it will take a couple of years to see who sticks and who gets it at the next level.

Some GM's will be risk averse in this kind of draft, and some will increase their risk to get that one guy they like.

That to me is what makes this so damn interesting every year. The process is never the same and the earlier it deviates, the more it favors the good Front offices to stay ahead. All 32 players play differently, and it takes some analyzing skills and some solid predictions to make it work for your team.

Here is to Elway and company
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Seems like they say something like this every year. Bad year for QBs. Yes. Mediocre year for RBs and WRs. Good year for Oline and Dline.
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Even 20-23 should be below average. The average number of first rounders should be 32 by it's own definition, or they should re-evaluate how to give out first round grades. I think this is an average year for first round talent, but there aren't any elite prospects with top 5 grades.
What exactly is a "true" first rounder?
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:18 PM   #48
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yawn, will not watch.

This is the type of draft that NE will get better for the next 5 years on.
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I always find it hilarious to read these threads. According to those that have posted, and we're only two pages in, we've gotten the following exact opposite sentiments:

- This is the worst draft class ever.
- This is the deepest draft class ever.

- This draft is bad for RBs and WRs.
- There is enormous talent at WR and RB.

- There's no talent in this draft after the first two rounds.
- There's a ton of talent in this draft after the first two rounds.
It was the best of times.
It was the worst of times...
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yawn, will not watch.

This is the type of draft that NE will get better for the next 5 years on.
This is where NE drafts Pugh, moves him to guard and has a Pro Bowler for the next 10 years
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