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Old 04-12-2013, 05:17 AM   #1
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Default Reminder : Elway to Marino - ESPN Films: 30 for 30-TUESDAY 24

4/23 8pm Espn1 ...

Set your DVR and get your popcorn ... And if the show John's retirement presser tissues ...





Someone should sticky this cause I've never had something sticky worthy.

And inb4 someone turns "sticky worthy" into something dirty
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Old 04-12-2013, 06:46 AM   #2
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You sir are the man, i would never have even seen this. Just set the DVR... now just have to wait haha.



do you know who is directing this? usually it is big name actors or directors that do these for ESPN
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:01 AM   #3
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Nice! And draft week too!
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:21 PM   #4
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Sticky this so I remember to set my DVR (when I get home)... please!
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:33 PM   #5
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:50 PM   #6
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Sticky this so I remember to set my DVR (when I get home)... please!
Diddo - please sticky until the week after
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:07 AM   #7
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Can't wait. Thanks for the reminder.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:28 AM   #8
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Thanks for the reminder TDmvp. I'm looking forward to this one...although almost all of them have been excellent.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:58 AM   #9
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Heres a page on what the 30 for 30 is all about. Not just Elway and Marino, but the entire 83 draft.
Which completely changed my life. I would be a Colts fan right now if Elway stayed there. From Granada Hills to Stanford to Baltimore to Denver.
Jeez. I was just a little kid.

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In the spring of 1983, the NFL may have been at its weakest point. The previous season had been marred by a players strike, the upstart USFL was poaching star players and Al Davis was successfully suing the league. But the momentum began to change on April 26, 1983 -- the day of the NFL Draft -- when a new generation of superstars was poised to enter the league.

Six quarterbacks were selected in the first round of that draft -- still the most ever. "Elway to Marino" explores this landmark draft through the eyes of the players, head coaches, general managers, team owners and agents who participated. Agent Marvin Demoff, who represented both John Elway and Dan Marino, and kept a diary in the months leading up to the most dramatic draft day in NFL history. We'll learn the inside story of draft picks and back room deals, and see the tension between future Hall of Famers and the teams that selected them.

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No one loved NFL history more than NFL Films President Steve Sabol. Early in my career, I remember him telling me "Never think history is boring. The further you get from historic events, the more dramatic details are lost. For a filmmaker, that's a blessing. " As usual, he was 100 percent right.

No one wants to tell the same old story -- and that was my early concern while researching the 1983 NFL Draft. Six quarterbacks were taken in the first round, Elway was picked by the Colts and traded to the Broncos, Marino fell to the Dolphins at No. 27, etc. ... I figured I knew it all, or at least most of it. Boy, was I wrong.

My eyes were opened by a man named Marvin Demoff, who represented both John Elway and Dan Marino in 1983. People who work around the NFL know the Demoff name. He was, and is, a legendary agent known as much for his gracious personality, as his relentless negotiating skills.
When I first met Demoff (thanks to Josh Pyatt at William Morris and the great folks at ESPN Films) one moment turned my thinking around; it was when he said "You know, I kept a diary during the entire Elway process." He then began telling stories from that diary. Unbelievable stories, like how John Elway nearly became a Raider, what Hall of Fame quarterback was almost traded to make room for him, and the reasoning behind Elway's public claim that he would only play on the West Coast.

I was hooked. From there, it was a whirlwind of production, highlighted by an incredible NFL Films crew who recreated the NFL draft room exactly as it stood in NYC in 1983. From the podium where Pete Rozelle stood to the cigarettes in the ashtrays, we literally brought 1983 back to life. It was one of the most amazing production jobs I'd ever seen. We interviewed Demoff in that room for nearly 7 hours. The details were fascinating and the anecdotes were mesmerizing.

While the focus of "Elway to Marino" is the drama surrounding his two star clients, there are many stories to be told between picks No. 1 and No. 27. I hope audiences will feel the same sense of rediscovery that I did when listening to Demoff and others tell them.

Steve Sabol was right -- discovering those forgotten details has been a blessing
http://espn.go.com/30for30/film?page=elwaytomarino

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Old 04-15-2013, 08:04 AM   #10
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Ken Rodgers is an Emmy Award-winning supervising producer for NFL Films. For the past six seasons, his signature work has been as the lead creative producer behind "Hard Knocks," HBO's training camp reality series that won back-to-back Emmy Awards for Outstanding Edited Sports Series (2009 and 2010) and most recently featured the Miami Dolphins (2012).
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Here's another nice write up on this production:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...,1026837.story
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:38 PM   #12
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Learned something new tonight. I had no idea that there was a moment Bill Walsh wanted to trade Montana for John. He would have had a ring on every finger and Montana would have been a faded memory.
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Yea this has been killer so far.
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:22 PM   #14
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elway-

"every noon we'd watch all my children, me and about 12 of my buddies"

what?
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elway-

"every noon we'd watch all my children, me and about 12 of my buddies"

what?
Yea , I lol'ed .
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That was great. Poor Ernie Accorsi. Doesn't' make the trade he wants for Elway (missing out on a chance to get Marino, who he said he would have drafted). Then after he leaves the Colts he's GM of the Browns and watches Elway beat his team in 3 AFC Championship games.

Edgar Kaiser was a weird owner, demanding Randy Gradishar take a pay cut at one time, but he's right up there with the Phipps and Bowlen for one move - getting Elway to Denver.
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And as I stated before the retirement presser gets me every time...

That whole documentary was GREAT tho.
Love him sticking it to Terry at the end lol.
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And as I stated before the retirement presser gets me every time...

That whole documentary was GREAT tho.
Love him sticking it to Terry at the end lol.
Me too. I loved that.
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:25 PM   #19
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Paul Zimmerman. A true idiot questioning Marino/Shula.
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I really enjoyed that.

And if Walsh had pulled that off the 49ers of the 80s and 90s would have been bar none the greatest dynasty in sports history...I agree with gunns that its conceivable John could have had a ring for every finger. Certainly at least 6 or 7.
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So I have question for older people here, as I was born in '84. I know they touched on a poor senior year and some drug allegations briefly, but how could Marino have fallen so far?

I know I'm looking at this through the prism of 20/20 hindsight, but man I just can't fathom it.
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So I have question for older people here, as I was born in '84. I know they touched on a poor senior year and some drug allegations briefly, but how could Marino have fallen so far?

I know I'm looking at this through the prism of 20/20 hindsight, but man I just can't fathom it.
Some guys on Chiefsplanet said their coach at the time (mackovic) was impressed that Blackledge wore a suit and tie to an interview dinner whereas he was turned off that Marino wore a t shirt to the dinner.

Funny stuff. Now I know it is important to make a good impression and take these things seriously but how traumatic it must be for a fanbase to think this could have been the tipping point in the decision to turn away a future HOF.
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Great show. And what I love is the fact that the Broncos are one of the very few teams that DONT regret passing on NoRingO while the raiders, steelers, chargers (although they're kind of excused by the fact that they still had Fouts) and especially the Chiefs will forever be wondering what might have been had they taken him.
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So I have question for older people here, as I was born in '84. I know they touched on a poor senior year and some drug allegations briefly, but how could Marino have fallen so far?

I know I'm looking at this through the prism of 20/20 hindsight, but man I just can't fathom it.
Well, you hit on it right there; Marino had a mediocre senior year, whereas Blackledge won a national championship and I remember one scouting report that claimed Jim Kelly was 'dumb'.

Tony Eason was frail, although he had a relatively successful NFL career, albeit a short one.

Although Elway played in a losing system, anyone could see his skills were off the charts, so there were no doubters there.
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