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Old 04-22-2013, 11:45 AM   #1751
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College stats make me lol.

How's Geno Toretta's HoF induction coming along? Imminent, I suppose, due to all of his brilliant college stats.

His college stats elude to the fact that he's a much better passer than given credit for, that's all. He just needs an organization 100% behind him and he'll do fine, but that may never happen.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:09 PM   #1752
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His college stats elude to the fact that he's a much better passer than given credit for, that's all. He just needs an organization 100% behind him and he'll do fine, but that may never happen.
He has had ample time and opportunity to demonstrate his QB skills and abilities to a team In both a practice and game setting. So far 2 have seen what he can do and taken a pass.

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Old 04-22-2013, 12:16 PM   #1753
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His college stats elude to the fact that he's a much better passer than given credit for, that's all. He just needs an organization 100% behind him and he'll do fine, but that may never happen.
I see your makin friends.

I wouldn't read too much into college stats when talking about NFL development. Colt McCoy has spectacular stats with a 70% completion rate. In the pros it's not even close to that for him. NFL defenses bring it compared to college. It's how you adapt that makes or breaks a player. So far tebow has not adapted and is going down the akhili smith road rather than the kaepernick road.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:19 PM   #1754
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College stats make me lol.

How's Geno Toretta's HoF induction coming along? Imminent, I suppose, due to all of his brilliant college stats.
Toretta's college stats weren't all that great. His Heisman year was one of the most down years on record.

You're supposed to use the Toretta argument for "Heisman doesn't mean good pro." Statistically, he passed for a much lower completion than Tebow, much lower TD passes, and way lower yards per attempt. Statistically, Tebow was more dominant than Johnny Manziell, and followed it up with a national championship.

With Tebow, it's mechanics (including footwork). Coming out of college, they were not conducive to a pro passing attack. So the question has always been whether he can translate his game and improve his mechanics.

It's that simple -- the vast majority of prospects don't translate. They just quietly fall off the map. With Tebow, nothing is quiet.
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Toretta's college stats weren't all that great. His Heisman year was one of the most down years on record.

You're supposed to use the Toretta argument for "Heisman doesn't mean good pro." Statistically, he passed for a much lower completion than Tebow, much lower TD passes, and way lower yards per attempt. Statistically, Tebow was more dominant than Johnny Manziell, and followed it up with a national championship.

With Tebow, it's mechanics (including footwork). Coming out of college, they were not conducive to a pro passing attack. So the question has always been whether he can translate his game and improve his mechanics.

It's that simple -- the vast majority of prospects don't translate. They just quietly fall off the map. With Tebow, nothing is quiet.
DON'T CARRRRRRRRRE.

he sucks. Two teams have seen him, looked at what he can do, and passed. It's that simple, whether we're comparing Heisman players or just college players.

The lesson: college stats mean nothing in the pros.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:57 PM   #1756
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he sucks. Two teams have seen him, looked at what he can do, and passed. It's that simple,
I don't think Denver "passed." They brought in a better QB, one who would have been better than about 5 other QB's in the NFL, give or take.

And the Jets said from day one that Tebow would not be under consideration to supplant Mark Sanchez. When it came down to it, they stuck to their guns.

It's this simple -- he either is, or is not, good enough to play in the NFL. Trying to push it out further than that, and say "_______ means nothing" or "here's a rule that we can apply universally," is fruitless. There's a constant parade of quarterbacks that march through the league, and a very small percentage display something that makes them an enduring player.
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His college stats elude
are you saying he's shifty too?
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I don't think Denver "passed." They brought in a better QB, one who would have been better than about 5 other QB's in the NFL, give or take.
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If manning wasn't acquired it wouldve been someone else. Elway would've still made the change.
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I wouldn't read too much into college stats when talking about NFL development. Colt McCoy has spectacular stats with a 70% completion rate. In the pros it's not even close to that for him. NFL defenses bring it compared to college. It's how you adapt that makes or breaks a player. So far tebow has not adapted and is going down the akhili smith road rather than the kaepernick road.
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:48 PM   #1760
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Uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......most....the word most. Not exceptions.

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'sup my like whole career

'sup from the Superbowl

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'Sup from the other miracle man that just needed a chance
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Old 04-22-2013, 03:01 PM   #1761
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Come now. You're comparing a bunch of system C-Leaguers to a two-time SEC champion (a conference that has still yet to ever lose a BCS Championship game) and two-time National champion.

Might as well be comparing NFL to Arena stats if you're willing to go that far.

Timmy's game may not translate to the NFL at the end of the day. But it's not over yet. And he still hasn't received a level shot.
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Old 04-22-2013, 03:25 PM   #1762
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Come now. You're comparing a bunch of system C-Leaguers to a two-time SEC champion (a conference that has still yet to ever lose a BCS Championship game) and two-time National champion.

Might as well be comparing NFL to Arena stats if you're willing to go that far.

Timmy's game may not translate to the NFL at the end of the day. But it's not over yet. And he still hasn't received a level shot.
He has gotten a better shot than any other QB who couldn't win the starting job out of TC.
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:25 PM   #1763
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'sup my like whole career

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'Sup from the other miracle man that just needed a chance

Damn boy, you spent a lot of time and effort to produce 5 or 6 exceptions, which still don't even come close to "MOST".
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:35 PM   #1764
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are you saying he's shifty too?

Ah geez man, don't be a weasel. Now you're just being a plain dumbazz.
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:40 PM   #1765
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I don't think Denver "passed." They brought in a better QB, one who would have been better than about 5 other QB's in the NFL, give or take.

And the Jets said from day one that Tebow would not be under consideration to supplant Mark Sanchez. When it came down to it, they stuck to their guns.

It's this simple -- he either is, or is not, good enough to play in the NFL. Trying to push it out further than that, and say "_______ means nothing" or "here's a rule that we can apply universally," is fruitless. There's a constant parade of quarterbacks that march through the league, and a very small percentage display something that makes them an enduring player.
So Peyton is like the 6th worst QB in the NFL. LMFAOROTF
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:41 PM   #1766
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Another hopeless Teblow fan trying to change the flow of the oceans. I've got your tide hanging..
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:29 AM   #1767
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Another hopeless Teblow fan trying to change the flow of the oceans. I've got your tide hanging..
I got your bacon hangin', bacon. The only thing you got hangin' is stopping that ocean of flow.........or we could just all get along.

And no I'm not a hopeless Timmy fan, but you all over analyzing and dissing on him is bull. He did nothing but positive for the Broncos.
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:37 AM   #1768
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So Peyton is like the 6th worst QB in the NFL. LMFAOROTF
Meant to say better than "all but" 5 other QB's.

Even that's debatable -- didn't have a specific 5 in mind, he might be higher. Just a fuzzy, age-adjusted math.
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:37 AM   #1769
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At least this thread and the same old tireless arguments defending Timmy Try Hard are isolated to one thread.

Boo who Tim needs a shot. Well guess what the NFL is moving to the pop gun offenses right?

No reason now not to shine under his natural offense right?

Can't say team haven't committed to this offense right ? Seattle, SF, Washing? right?
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And no I'm not a hopeless Timmy fan,
As evidenced by your jihad on anyone who might question whether or not he can perform at the NFL level as a quarterback.

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Old 04-23-2013, 07:30 AM   #1773
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As evidenced by your jihad on anyone who might question whether or not he can perform at the NFL level as a quarterback.

Got it.
We questioned that for going on 3 seasons with Captain ****shispants. Timmy got 11 games to try to rescue another one of his failed seasons. And he went 7-4 and beat the defending AFC champs in the playoffs.

I don't mind a guy questioning whether Tim can make it or not. But this "He got his shot!" crap from people who otherwise had popcorn on standby to watch season 3 of the Neckbeard Chronicles is pretty redicules guy.
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:48 AM   #1774
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The problem is TT didn't get better, that is, he was not a better QB at the end of the season. I know what the TT defenders will say "it was that asshat McCoy's fault for hamstringing Captain America!" WRONG.

Just stop already.
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:55 AM   #1775
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I don't mind a guy questioning whether Tim can make it or not. But this "He got his shot!" crap from people who otherwise had popcorn on standby to watch season 3 of the Neckbeard Chronicles is pretty redicules guy.

Maybe if he beat out neckbeard in TC and practice he wouldve had a longer shot. Or beat out the 2 clowns passing in NY. So what your saying is give him a shot, and make sure no competition is around to win the position?
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