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Old 04-20-2013, 06:31 PM   #301
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If we trade up for a DE for a DE I will be so pissed. Odds are then the best RB could be still on the board as wells the top three MLBs, and second best safety. I know you don't like Lacy but, I bet you will draft him before trading draft picks to move up to get Moore or Tank.
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:33 PM   #302
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If we trade up for a DE for a DE I will be so pissed. Odds are then the best RB could be still on the board as wells the top three MLBs, and second best safety. I know you don't like Lacy but, I bet you will draft him before trading draft picks to move up to get Moore or Tank.
Likewise. I just hate idea of taking a RB early. I think it's as big of a waste as trading up to draft Moore
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:41 PM   #303
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If we trade up for a DE for a DE I will be so pissed. Odds are then the best RB could be still on the board as wells the top three MLBs, and second best safety. I know you don't like Lacy but, I bet you will draft him before trading draft picks to move up to get Moore or Tank.
You know it bro!

I'm just do torn on the RB issue.. I really think McGahee is quality when healthy, I don't like Moreno, but as depth he's a solid back-up.. I guess..
I really think Hillman is going to be a good RB, and he fits the fast paced, passing offense.

I think a stud RB would put this team over the top, I just don't want to invest a first or even second rounder to do so.. I know I have been a big advocate of Bell, but I am warming to other prospects. If we keep both McGahee/Moreno, do we really need Lacy or an early RB? I think Lattimore would be a great player to stash away, or a couple middle round RBs I like Taylor and Ball have a grittyness to them, while Bernard and Randle have a good skill set with more big play ability..

I'm really torn on RBs just like I am with DEs..
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Nope, been on that bandwagon for awhile now.

Hell, let's be honest here. Dumervil is a PRS, and has always been pathetic at playing the run. The only guy worse is Freeney, so PRS from the draft would be just fine with me.
Funny you should mention the two highest paid defensive players in the NFL last year according to Businessweek
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Old 04-20-2013, 07:09 PM   #305
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i have no issue taking a DE in round 1, no issue with RB either so long as it's Lacy.

but to me, it has to be good value above all else.
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If we trade up for a DE for a DE I will be so pissed. Odds are then the best RB could be still on the board as wells the top three MLBs, and second best safety. I know you don't like Lacy but, I bet you will draft him before trading draft picks to move up to get Moore or Tank.
IMO you only trade up for qbs, or a total stud like ATL did with Julio Jones. For instance back in the day i wanted us so bad to trade up for Brian Urlacher.

In this draft there are only a couple players IMO worthy of that.

1-Chance Warmack - will be pancaking front 7 defenders for a decade and can play gaurd or center and dominate.

2-Dee Millner-great cbs always worth it IMO

3-Any of the 3 LT if you really need one. LT always hard to find and all 3 of these ones look ready to start

4-Dion Jordan - the only true QB killer in the draft
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Funny you should mention the two highest paid defensive players in the NFL last year according to Businessweek
Yeah, stupid

Wait, didn't both of them get cut by their teams for underperforming to contract last year
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Could you imagine a libebacker corps of Miller and Jordan? Oh my. Or an oline with Warmack/Franklin coming at you on running downs. We would push people to the goaline and Manning could play for 5 more yrs.
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i have no issue taking a DE in round 1, no issue with RB either so long as it's Lacy.

but to me, it has to be good value above all else.
That's the problem. There is no value in the first round for EITHER of those positions
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Wouldn't take a DE in the first anyway. I don't get the idea of haggling over 2m...and then being forced to use your highest pick to make up for it. Nope. That's not an answer that works.
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I think if Denver wants a DT or DE they just trade down to top of the 2nd with a team that wants a qb. If they stay put try and get Minter, Teo, or maybe one of the CBs trufant, rhodes if they fell that far. Even if they like the guard Warford who i do a lot they could grab him in the top end of the 2nd most likely.

its set up a lot like last yr when they went down and selected Wolfe.
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Wouldn't take a DE in the first anyway. I don't get the idea of haggling over 2m...and then being forced to use your highest pick to make up for it. Nope. That's not an answer that works.
nope IMO it means Elway though they could lose Doom and be ok. I don't see him panicking and reaching for a DE when chances are Jackson who has been in system a yr, Wolfe, Ayers will be better.

I do like Kwann Short because on tape he seems to be the type who gets after the QB. A DT that does that would be huge for Denver and help get pressure on the QB inside on early downs. Instead of only when we kick Wolfe inside.
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You know it bro!

I'm just do torn on the RB issue.. I really think McGahee is quality when healthy, I don't like Moreno, but as depth he's a solid back-up.. I guess..
I really think Hillman is going to be a good RB, and he fits the fast paced, passing offense.

I think a stud RB would put this team over the top, I just don't want to invest a first or even second rounder to do so.. I know I have been a big advocate of Bell, but I am warming to other prospects. If we keep both McGahee/Moreno, do we really need Lacy or an early RB? I think Lattimore would be a great player to stash away, or a couple middle round RBs I like Taylor and Ball have a grittyness to them, while Bernard and Randle have a good skill set with more big play ability..

I'm really torn on RBs just like I am with DEs..
I'm almost to the point that Teo, Taylor, Lacy or
Cyprein at 28th are only real must haves.
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Old 04-20-2013, 07:46 PM   #314
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i'm not a fan of drafting Carradine in the first. i'd rather have Werner or Moore.
Me too, I am all for trading down but if Werner or Moore is there, Denver has to use the pick.
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Wouldn't take a DE in the first anyway. I don't get the idea of haggling over 2m...and then being forced to use your highest pick to make up for it. Nope. That's not an answer that works.
I understand your point but it was 4 million.
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Old 04-20-2013, 07:50 PM   #316
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If it's a DE I would want it to be Moore. He's Von's buddy and is a consistent pass rusher in college. I'm not to fond of the FSU DE's because they always bust into the pro's. Name the last good DE from FSU picked in the first round?
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IMO you only trade up for qbs, or a total stud like ATL did with Julio Jones. For instance back in the day i wanted us so bad to trade up for Brian Urlacher.

In this draft there are only a couple players IMO worthy of that.

1-Chance Warmack - will be pancaking front 7 defenders for a decade and can play gaurd or center and dominate.

2-Dee Millner-great cbs always worth it IMO

3-Any of the 3 LT if you really need one. LT always hard to find and all 3 of these ones look ready to start

4-Dion Jordan - the only true QB killer in the draft
I would only advocate one of the LTs in Fisher or Jockel and Dion Jordan as I think they are blue chip prospects.

Warmack is such a good NFL ready prospect, but you don't move up for a guard in the top 10.. Look at DeCastros free fall last year, though I would have moved up a spot or two for him last year, or a couple of picks this year for Warmack, just not top 10.

Milner is not one of my favorite CB prospects.. He lacks ball skills that would make him elite.
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I'm almost to the point that Teo, Taylor, Lacy or
Cyprein at 28th are only real must haves.
I would be fine with Moore @#28, I think that Von would push him as would our coaching staff, but I wouldn't advise trading up.

I would really love to have Vaccaro.

As much as I like your prospects you mentioned, I'd almost rather trade back and add more picks and get better value.. Meaning instead of taking Cyprien @#28, I'd rather take a safety and another player in the second round where I think it's good value, and have added an extra 4th and maybe a 6th..
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The DE/OLD that interest me the most is. Cornelius Washington. Think he is talent
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The DE/OLD that interest me the most is. Cornelius Washington. Think he is talent
Quanterus Smith, Western Kentucky..
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We can find a PRS somewhere in the draft, I believe if you put a safety back there in the mold of an Earl Thomas, generate more turnovers from the safety position this Defense would rock even without Elvis.

I know he has issues but from a pure football perspective, is the Honey Badger this type of player. A player that could start for Denver this year and make the team better

I just asking for an evaluation of his football skills

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We can find a PRS somewhere in the draft, I believe if you put a safety back there in the mold of an Earl Thomas, generate more turnovers from the safety position this Defense would rock even without Elvis.

I know he has issues but what from a pure football perspective, is the Honey Badger this type of player. A player that could start for Denver this year and make the team better

I just asking for an evaluation of his football skills
He makes plays no doubt about it, and he could potentially transition to playing FS. But I think the combine showed the fluidity in his hips that he could and would be best served as a CB, probably as a NCB..

Your right about needing more turnovers from our safeties, which is why I'd like to upgrade them both..
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Draft Warmack, then take a stud RB in rd 2. Focus on Defense with the rest of our picks. Atop 10 running game that can easily convert 3rd & 3's would give us more T.O.P. and potentially prolong Manning's career by making teams less likely to bring the house against us.......
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Draft Warmack, then take a stud RB in rd 2. Focus on Defense with the rest of our picks. Atop 10 running game that can easily convert 3rd & 3's would give us more T.O.P. and potentially prolong Manning's career by making teams less likely to bring the house against us.......
I agree this was the plan at the start of FA but I think Elway is more of a BPA and isn't Warmack is too high?
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:25 AM   #325
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Draft Warmack? Lol. Yeah we are getting in the Top 12. Not. Lol.

We just signed Vasquez and have Kuper and Beadles. Guard is the LEAST of our worries. Lmfao.
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