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Old 05-15-2013, 07:46 PM   #4551
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Every QB who Reid has ever had has been drastically better under him than they have anywhere else.

I think that speaks volumes about his ability.
Simply. No. Vick? Kolb? Feeley? Detmer? Hall? Mike McMahon? Reid has had plenty of QBs and only McNabb looked somewhat decent. I don't give credit for Favre either since Reid was a coach at other positions besides QB when Favre was winning.

He didnt develop any of those QBs. What he did was mask how bad they were and teams like Miami and Arizona were duped. Maybe he will mask Alex smith like Harbaugh did, and unless you have a Super Bowl roster that's not gonna get it done.

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Old 05-15-2013, 07:58 PM   #4552
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Kolb looked good with Reid. The fact that he has looked awful without Reid is irrelevant.

What you're saying about Vick is true, but he was never that good throwing the ball in Atlanta.

His accuracy went from 52% average in Atlanta to 62% in his first year starting under Reid. He also only had 6 INT's and had a 100 QBR.
His accuracy, QBR and passing yards were much better with Reid than they ever were in Atlanta.

For the first time in Vick's career, he had a respectable year with his arm rather than just his legs, thanks to Reid.
And yet how did Kolb and Vick do in the playoffs?
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:05 PM   #4553
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And yet how did Kolb and Vick do in the playoffs?
Did Kolb even play in a playoff game in Philly?

Vick had a fair game. 2 TD's and 1 INT and just under 300 passing yards. If I remember correctly, the Eagles lost that game in the last minute on a last minute scoring attempt.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:31 PM   #4554
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Reid has been overrated for developing QB's since his green bay days with favre even though he was getting holmgren's dry cleaning till favre was already in his prime then got all the accolades for it.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:02 PM   #4555
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Reid is a regular Bill Walsh at developing QBs if you compare that to his ability of raising his own children.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:08 PM   #4556
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McNabb failed in Washington and Minnesota more from lacking the mental side than the decline of him physically.
he limited himself because he didn't want to be seen as a running QB.
once he did that he doomed himself. he did pretty well for a few years and then his limitations were exposed as he got older and older.
now Vick was the opposite, he embraced running too much.

Reid is not a QB guru, he is good at putting QB's in a system and making them look good enough to trade. but all have struggled once they left philly, that is very telling.



jets can't get rid of Sanchez to save their life.
though i don't think any QB will do well with that team due to the craptacular offense they have. they have little to no talent on O. they need so many things it's not funny.
but still, the QB play should be a lot better than what Sanchez has shown.
McNabb was so fat he could not run Shanahans hurry up system. He would never get the plays off fast enough. He sat at the LOS caught his breath and then hiked the ball just before the 30 second clock. It pissed Shanahan off he benched him.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:15 PM   #4557
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Now he has a QB who cannot use his legs to buy time on a team that has a weak interior OL. Vick and McNabb were both mobile QBs.
Alex Smith is at least as mobile as McNabb was for the majority of his career
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:09 AM   #4558
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Reid is a regular Bill Walsh at developing QBs if you compare that to his ability of raising his own children.
Wow. Low blow.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:16 AM   #4559
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I think Reid did an fairly impressive job with Vick, though that was short lived.

AJ Feeley and Kolb never developed into anything good.

McNabb and Farve would have been superstars on any team.

He's great at fleecing teams for backup quarterbacks. Kind of ironic since most people feel he got fleeced this time with Alex Smith.
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Bruce Irvin - DL - Seahawks

NFL suspended Seahawks DE Bruce Irvin four games for violating the league's policy against performance-enhancing substances.
Irvin has no plans to appeal, admitting he took Adderall without a medical exemption. He'll participate in training camp and preseason, then be barred from all Seahawks activities until Week 5. Irvin, the 15th overall pick in last year's draft, registered eight sacks and a forced fumble as a nickel-rushing rookie. For the first month of the season, at least, Seattle is deep enough to withstand Irvin's loss after adding Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett to their pass-rushing corps.

Third player busted from the Hawks in two years. Yeah no wonder that D is so good.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:27 PM   #4561
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Third player busted from the Hawks in two years. Yeah no wonder that D is so good.
I would expect nothing less from a Pete Carroll coached team.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:12 PM   #4562
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Bruce Irvin - DL - Seahawks

NFL suspended Seahawks DE Bruce Irvin four games for violating the league's policy against performance-enhancing substances.
Irvin has no plans to appeal, admitting he took Adderall without a medical exemption. He'll participate in training camp and preseason, then be barred from all Seahawks activities until Week 5. Irvin, the 15th overall pick in last year's draft, registered eight sacks and a forced fumble as a nickel-rushing rookie. For the first month of the season, at least, Seattle is deep enough to withstand Irvin's loss after adding Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett to their pass-rushing corps.

Third player busted from the Hawks in two years. Yeah no wonder that D is so good.
in the words of Eddie Guerrero. "If you're not cheating, you're not trying."
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:54 PM   #4563
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Reid being a so called QB guru is a myth.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:35 PM   #4564
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Reid is a regular Bill Walsh at developing QBs if you compare that to his ability of raising his own children.
I've seen posts like this before about Reid and his kids. It's incredibly judgmental and insensitive. I've never heard of Reid being abusive and his sons don't blame him or their mother for the way their lives played out, at least not publicly. That doesn't mean Reid didn't have a hand in their development, but people looking at a kid and then saying "they have horrible parents. It's all their fault" is total BS. We have no idea how the Reid family was or what kind of parents they were to their kids. I've met some really cool people with terrible parents. I've met some amazing parents with horrible kids. People ultimately are responsible for their own actions.
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Reid being a so called QB guru is a myth.
If Reid is a fraud with QB's, I guess Ratty is too.
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Old 05-18-2013, 07:53 AM   #4566
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If Reid is a fraud with QB's, I guess Ratty is too.
Who did he turn into a great QB? McNabb would of been fine with anyone and the rest were mediocre to garbage.
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Did Kolb even play in a playoff game in Philly?

Vick had a fair game. 2 TD's and 1 INT and just under 300 passing yards. If I remember correctly, the Eagles lost that game in the last minute on a last minute scoring attempt.
That was my point.
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I've seen posts like this before about Reid and his kids. It's incredibly judgmental and insensitive. I've never heard of Reid being abusive and his sons don't blame him or their mother for the way their lives played out, at least not publicly. That doesn't mean Reid didn't have a hand in their development, but people looking at a kid and then saying "they have horrible parents. It's all their fault" is total BS. We have no idea how the Reid family was or what kind of parents they were to their kids. I've met some really cool people with terrible parents. I've met some amazing parents with horrible kids. People ultimately are responsible for their own actions.
that's because in general people believe that a person will follow what their parents taught them in times of trouble.
or basically, if the parent taught them right they wouldn't do this because they'd know it was wrong.

that's true in some situations but without knowing the whole scenario it's hard to say it's someone's fault other than that person.
the person makes their own choices regardless of it being a good idea or not.
not everyone has the same moral compass on right, wrong, acceptable or unacceptable.
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Jason Avant - WR - Eagles

The Eagles have been working WR Jason Avant at defensive back.
Coach Chip Kelly is certainly putting his stamp on the team. We already mentioned how TE Clay Harbor was dabbling at outside linebacker. Avant set a career-high with 53 catches last season, but he's nothing more than a middling slot talent with no big-play ability. The Eagles traded for Arrelious Benn, and Avant might be on the outside looking in at the 53-man roster.

I'm still holding out hope we can send them Tony Carter for something.
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Jason Avant - WR - Eagles

The Eagles have been working WR Jason Avant at defensive back.
Coach Chip Kelly is certainly putting his stamp on the team. We already mentioned how TE Clay Harbor was dabbling at outside linebacker. Avant set a career-high with 53 catches last season, but he's nothing more than a middling slot talent with no big-play ability. The Eagles traded for Arrelious Benn, and Avant might be on the outside looking in at the 53-man roster.

I'm still holding out hope we can send them Tony Carter for something.
well Chip is leaving no stone unturned but that's insane. Avant is not a DB.
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well Chip is leaving no stone unturned but that's insane. Avant is not a DB.
Two years tops
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i actually think he'll be similar to Harbaugh and be a very good coach.
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Who did he turn into a great QB? McNabb would of been fine with anyone and the rest were mediocre to garbage.
McNabb is the only real talent he's had to work with, but his work has been impressive.

Jeff Garcia looked fantastic and led them to the playoffs when McNabb got hurt, Kolb looked so good that a team gave up a 2nd and a starting CB for him and he made Vick look like a respectable passer.

I think Alex Smith will be a big test for him though. This will prove his reputation.
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I've seen posts like this before about Reid and his kids. It's incredibly judgmental and insensitive. I've never heard of Reid being abusive and his sons don't blame him or their mother for the way their lives played out, at least not publicly. That doesn't mean Reid didn't have a hand in their development, but people looking at a kid and then saying "they have horrible parents. It's all their fault" is total BS. We have no idea how the Reid family was or what kind of parents they were to their kids. I've met some really cool people with terrible parents. I've met some amazing parents with horrible kids. People ultimately are responsible for their own actions.
I know right? that's like trying to blame Tony Dungy for his kid committing suicide.
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You don't have to be abusive or a drug using parent to have your kids turn out bad. The worst thing a parent can do is not spend quality time with their kids....as in being too busy to show them the right path. Being a head coach in the NFL could certainly make a man too busy.
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