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Old 04-19-2013, 01:52 PM   #426
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How is a clump of cells "human"?

*Potential* human.
It's pretty self-explanatory. But I could follow your red herring trail all day, which is pointless.

Especially when we could take that cute onesie and wristband off the baby from your bottom picture, shove her back inside mom, subtract an hour or two, and suddenly you'd insist she was murder bait.
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:58 PM   #427
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Especially when we could take that cute onesie and wristband off the baby from your bottom picture, shove her back inside mom, subtract an hour or two, and suddenly you'd insist she was murder bait.
Actually, I wouldn't. Remember what I said?

Apparently not.
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Actually, I wouldn't. Remember what I said?

Apparently not.
What you said had some wiggle room you've yet to clarify.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:11 PM   #429
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What you said had some wiggle room you've yet to clarify.
Viability outside the mother's body is my preferred determinant.

You conflate a blob of cells with a baby.
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Viability outside the mother's body is my preferred determinant.
So that means 3rd trimester is pretty much out of the question?
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So that means 3rd trimester is pretty much out of the question?
Pretty much.

What percentage of abortions are done in the 3rd trimester for the women's convenience?
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:25 PM   #432
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Pretty much.

What percentage of abortions are done in the 3rd trimester for the women's convenience?
It's a higher percentage than abortions done on zygotes, I can tell you that much.
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:53 PM   #433
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Heya Tombstone RJ...

Are these two identical?



Where does one insert the scissors to sever the spinal cord in that first photo Wags?
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It's a higher percentage than abortions done on zygotes, I can tell you that much.
Any evidence? Source?
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Any evidence? Source?
Well considering the zygote phase only lasts a few days, there's not much need for evidence. It's self explanatory. The child is beyond zygote before a pregnancy test can even detect a pregnancy.
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Well considering the zygote phase only lasts a few days, there's not much need for evidence. It's self explanatory. The child is beyond zygote before a pregnancy test can even detect a pregnancy.
Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States



A 12 week-old fetus isn't viable, and that's when most abortions occur. Only a very small fraction are done in the third trimester.
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A 12 week-old fetus isn't viable, and that's when most abortions occur. Only a very small fraction are done in the third trimester.
What's 1.5% of 1.2 million?
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What's 1.5% of 1.2 million?
1.5% of abortions are not third trimester. That begins at 27 weeks, not 21.
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1.5% of abortions are not third trimester. That begins at 27 weeks, not 21.
Viability is possible at 22 weeks. And it gets earlier all the time.

You're splitting hairs.
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Viability is possible at 22 weeks. And it gets earlier all the time.

You're splitting hairs.
You're not going to stop abortion any more than gun-grabbers are going to get rid of all the firearms.

What's your goal? Zero abortions?
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You're not going to stop abortion any more than gun-grabbers are going to get rid of all the firearms.

What's your goal? Zero abortions?
Well considering just what we've discovered with a couple of famous late-term butchers probably counts more bodies than a century's worth of school shootings...

You need to check your logic. And unlike late-term abortion, nobody's arguing that shooting children should be a legal "choice"
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Well considering just what we've discovered with a couple of famous late-term butchers probably counts more bodies than a century's worth of school shootings...
And they are being prosecuted.

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You need to check your logic. And unlike late-term abortion, nobody's arguing that shooting children should be a legal "choice"
What's your goal? Zero abortions?
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And they are being prosecuted.
Not Tiller. He was sheltered by the left and then lionized. Apparently a guy has to clog toilets with infant parts before some people will start to get concerned.



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The tree of progress must be watered and fertilized with aborted fetuses. If there are no abortions, there is no progress.
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The tree of progress must be watered and fertilized with aborted fetuses. If there are no abortions, there is no progress.
....and no lunch meat.
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....and no lunch meat.
Mmmmm.... This sammich is progressalicious.
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Obama agency rules Pepsi's use of aborted fetal cells in soft drinks constitutes 'ordinary business operations'
Saturday, March 17, 2012 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

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(NaturalNews) The Obama Administration has given its blessing to PepsiCo to continue utilizing the services of a company that produces flavor chemicals for the beverage giant using aborted human fetal tissue. LifeSiteNews.com reports that the Obama Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) has decided that PepsiCo's arrangement with San Diego, Cal.-based Senomyx, which produces flavor enhancing chemicals for Pepsi using human embryonic kidney tissue, simply constitutes "ordinary business operations."

The issue began in 2011 when the non-profit group Children of God for Life (CGL) first broke the news about Pepsi's alliance with Senomyx, which led to massive outcry and a worldwide boycott of Pepsi products. At that time, it was revealed that Pepsi had many other options at its disposal to produce flavor chemicals, which is what its competitors do, but had instead chosen to continue using aborted fetal cells -- or as Senomyx deceptively puts it, "isolated human taste receptors" (http://www.naturalnews.com).

A few months later, Pepsi' shareholders filed a resolution petitioning the company to "adopt a corporate policy that recognizes human rights and employs ethical standards which do not involve using the remains of aborted human beings in both private and collaborative research and development agreements." But the Obama Administration shut down this 36-page proposal, deciding instead that Pepsi's used of aborted babies to flavor its beverage products is just business as usual, and not a significant concern.

"We're not talking about what kind of pencils PepsiCo wants to use -- we are talking about exploiting the remains of an aborted child for profit," said Debi Vinnedge, Executive Director of CGL, concerning the SEC decision. "Using human embryonic kidney (HEK-293) to produce flavor enhancers for their beverages is a far cry from routine operations!"

To be clear, the aborted fetal tissue used to make Pepsi's flavor chemicals does not end up in the final product sold to customers, according to reports -- it is used, instead, to evaluate how actual human taste receptors respond to these chemical flavorings. But the fact that Pepsi uses them at all when viable, non-human alternatives are available illustrates the company's blatant disregard for ethical and moral concerns in the matter.

Back in January, Oklahoma Senator Ralph Shortey proposed legislation to ban the production of aborted fetal cell-derived flavor chemicals in his home state. If passed, S.B. 1418 would also reportedly ban the sale of any products that contain flavor chemicals derived from human fetal tissue, which includes Pepsi products as well as products produced by Kraft and Nestle (http://www.naturalnews.com).


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035276_Pe...#ixzz2QyT1ZyBU
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(NaturalNews) The Obama Administration has given its blessing to PepsiCo to continue utilizing the services of a company that produces flavor chemicals for the beverage giant using aborted human fetal tissue. LifeSiteNews.com reports that the Obama Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) has decided that PepsiCo's arrangement with San Diego, Cal.-based Senomyx, which produces flavor enhancing chemicals for Pepsi using human embryonic kidney tissue, simply constitutes "ordinary business operations."

The issue began in 2011 when the non-profit group Children of God for Life (CGL) first broke the news about Pepsi's alliance with Senomyx, which led to massive outcry and a worldwide boycott of Pepsi products. At that time, it was revealed that Pepsi had many other options at its disposal to produce flavor chemicals, which is what its competitors do, but had instead chosen to continue using aborted fetal cells -- or as Senomyx deceptively puts it, "isolated human taste receptors" (http://www.naturalnews.com).

A few months later, Pepsi' shareholders filed a resolution petitioning the company to "adopt a corporate policy that recognizes human rights and employs ethical standards which do not involve using the remains of aborted human beings in both private and collaborative research and development agreements." But the Obama Administration shut down this 36-page proposal, deciding instead that Pepsi's used of aborted babies to flavor its beverage products is just business as usual, and not a significant concern.

"We're not talking about what kind of pencils PepsiCo wants to use -- we are talking about exploiting the remains of an aborted child for profit," said Debi Vinnedge, Executive Director of CGL, concerning the SEC decision. "Using human embryonic kidney (HEK-293) to produce flavor enhancers for their beverages is a far cry from routine operations!"

To be clear, the aborted fetal tissue used to make Pepsi's flavor chemicals does not end up in the final product sold to customers, according to reports -- it is used, instead, to evaluate how actual human taste receptors respond to these chemical flavorings. But the fact that Pepsi uses them at all when viable, non-human alternatives are available illustrates the company's blatant disregard for ethical and moral concerns in the matter.

Back in January, Oklahoma Senator Ralph Shortey proposed legislation to ban the production of aborted fetal cell-derived flavor chemicals in his home state. If passed, S.B. 1418 would also reportedly ban the sale of any products that contain flavor chemicals derived from human fetal tissue, which includes Pepsi products as well as products produced by Kraft and Nestle (http://www.naturalnews.com).


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035276_Pe...#ixzz2QyT1ZyBU
I gotta say,right-wing websites are getting creative with their names.
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So what about the story?
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So what about the story?
Not credible imo,if I had the time I would research it but I suspect it would be debunked.
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