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Old 04-17-2013, 02:52 PM   #376
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Zygote? Embryo? Fetus? Heartbeat? Clear sexual delineation? Viability? Birth? Left the hospital? (aka the Boxer standard) Assigned a Social Security Number? Somewhere in there, choice becomes murder. Tell me where.
Viability outside the mother.

Not murder before that.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:05 PM   #377
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Viability outside the mother.

Not murder before that.
Does that protect the 'viable' baby from being made nonviable on the way out the door?
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:07 PM   #378
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Viability outside the mother.

Not murder before that.
Then why can you get charged with murder if you kill an an unborn child. They base it on the fact it would have become a life. Viability outside the mother is convienant for you because it absolves you of being in agreement with murdering unborn children.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:09 PM   #379
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A mother has a duty to her child way before she births it or it can live on its own.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:12 PM   #380
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Any Constitution that contained a clause making it ok to murder your babies would be outlandish.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:13 PM   #381
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Not the same thing, but the rather obvious nature of my comment went way over your head.

What should a couple do when birth control fails and she ends up pregnant, but they're in absolutely no position to properly care for a child?
Abstinence works every time it's used.
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Any Constitution that contained a clause making it ok to murder your babies would be outlandish.
Kids aren't really viable for the first decade or so. They'd starve to death without help.
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Abstinence works every time it's used.
But not realistic.
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Is a zygote a person?
when an abortion is performed something dies, correct?
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:21 PM   #385
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As I'm sure most do, I myself find abortion unpleasant and unfortunate and would prefer there be limits on it. The problem is, where do you draw the line on these limits? I'm also smart enough to know there are many other considerations that many of you ignore. For example:

Laws against abortion do not stop abortion; they simply make it less safe.

If people want to stop abortion, they should turn to methods that do work.

Reproductive restrictions do not end with abortion.

Doctors, not governments, should always be the people to make medical recommendations and opinions.

(borrowed from: http://amplifyyourvoice.org/u/pheo15...ochoice-policy)

I'm not advocating for abortion. I'm trying to get you to think more critically.
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if abortion was part of the constitution how would u righties feel then?would u defend it ferociously like u do guns?
If AR-15s were used to perform abortions would you be so quick to ban them?

BTW the "right to life" IS in the Constitution
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Then why can you get charged with murder if you kill an an unborn child. They base it on the fact it would have become a life. Viability outside the mother is convienant for you because it absolves you of being in agreement with murdering unborn children.
FYI,this law specificly exempt abortion from being considered murder.
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Laws against abortion do not stop abortion; they simply make it less safe.
So when the FDA bans a medical procedure or drug they're actually making it less safe?

Might as well tell those guys to close up shop and go home.

Funny thing is, our government makes decisions every day about what kind of medical procedures you can and can't have. Yet we're told only this one medical procedure involves anyone's right to "choose"
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when an abortion is performed something dies, correct?
Different religions have different beliefs about when life starts. Whose/which religion should be the arbiter?
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and yet the right wants to cut funding for planned parenthood which provides birth control. baffling.
planned parenthood provides abortions which conservatives feel is wrong and shouldn't be funded by taxpayers
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FYI,this law specificly exempt abortion from being considered murder.
I guess the Lord Government Giveth, and the Lord Government Taketh Away?
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Different religions have different beliefs about when life starts. Whose/which religion should be the arbiter?
wtf does that have to do with my question?
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So when the FDA bans a medical procedure or drug they're actually making it less safe?

Might as well tell those guys to close up shop and go home.

Funny thing is, our government makes decisions every day about what kind of medical procedures you can and can't have. Yet we're told only this one medical procedure involves anyone's right to "choose"
You're clearly not as smart as you think you are. You lack the ability to think critically. This isn't that difficult. To wit: if abortion laws/restrictions don't reduce the number of abortions, but instead only make them less safe (as in more Gonsells), what have we gained? We just feel better about ourselves?

Beavis, I'm just showing you how simple devil's advocacy destroys your facile argument.
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wtf does that have to do with my question?
If you have to ask, then I don't know why I'm bothering. Think!
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when an abortion is performed something dies, correct?
Are all things that are alive human?
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Abstinence works every time it's used.
So married couples that aren't ready for children should practice abstinence?
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Does that protect the 'viable' baby from being made nonviable on the way out the door?
Is a miscarriage involuntary manslaughter?
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Strong pro choice argument from 1979.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/19...ere-are-those/
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If men could get abortions, it would be a sacrament.
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Strong pro choice argument from 1979.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/19...ere-are-those/
9000 rape pregnancies and 100 thousand cases of incest a yr huh?
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