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Old 04-15-2013, 08:08 AM   #251
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You disagree late term abortions even if they are medically indicated huh? (which is what Tiller did -- in accordance with staunchly conservative Kansas state law even)

And you have the cajones to claim others have an "extreme" position?
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Medical records subpoenaed by prosecutors in Kansas indicate Dr. Tiller approved some late-term abortions on the grounds that the women suffered from anxiety or depression. To opponents, those are shockingly flimsy excuses. But several attempts to prosecute Dr. Tiller for violating the law failed.

Christine Becker, who lives in Tennessee, was 28 weeks pregnant with her first child, a boy that she and her husband named Daniel, when tests showed he had a fatal form of dwarfism. Ms. Becker is Catholic, and had always considered abortion a sin. Yet as she and her husband prayed over several days, she said, they decided they could not bear to think of Daniel suffering.

"We wanted him to be released as an angel," Ms. Becker said. Dr. Tiller aborted Daniel in 2000.
Where's the ADA when you really need it? Yet MSNBC did a whole documentary lionizing the monster who made it happen.

Don't know if you've ever been around many pregnant women. Anxiety's pretty universal. Depression is pretty common. Casey Anthony probably suffered from it. What's the difference (other than of course her one-murder media circus)
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:28 AM   #252
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Funny thing is your second question answers your first...
Second question? I only asked one. And you're comparing apples to oranges, I'm not sure why you can't see that. You're comparing something that happened two years ago with something that just happened. The media covered the Gosnell case two years ago.


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Legalizing late-term murder might lead to less of it? Please go on. Tell me more.
^ This is also lazy, but typical of your style of argumentation. I was only speaking legality in general, I never got into this type of specific. Plenty of room for debate on when/where/how/why specifics, but I don't think that's the topic here.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:38 AM   #253
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Imagine for a second if the OJ Simpson or Casey Anthony trials were not mentioned once on any national broadcast network, because the cases were covered at the time of arrest. That would seem pretty strange.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:59 AM   #254
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Second question? I only asked one. And you're comparing apples to oranges, I'm not sure why you can't see that. You're comparing something that happened two years ago with something that just happened. The media covered the Gosnell case two years ago.
Huh, they covered it two years ago, huh. Case closed I guess. I wonder why nobody noticed.



Interesting Read for contrast:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...011106921.html

Article about many mainstream press outlets and just how much they needed to porn up their Arizona shooting front pages. Just so you can't call it Apples and Oranges (whatever that means) This was just a week before Kermie got arrested. Again. Show me the proportional reaction.

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^ This is also lazy, but typical of your style of argumentation. I was only speaking legality in general, I never got into this type of specific. Plenty of room for debate on when/where/how/why specifics, but I don't think that's the topic here.
There's not much out there that's lazier than "you're comparing apples to oranges, I'm not sure why you can't see that. You're comparing something that happened two years ago with something that just happened."

2 years means nothing. The story is possibly the worst known mass murder in US history, with a State turning a blind eye. At some point somewhere, this was front page news-grade for every paper in the country. Show me where it happened.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:25 AM   #255
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If you’ve never heard of the Gosnell story, it’s not because of a coverup by the liberal mainstream media. It’s probably because you failed to pay attention to the copious coverage among pro-choice and feminist journalists, as well as the big news organizations, when the news first broke in 2011. There would be something rich, if it weren’t so infuriating, about these (almost uniformly male, as it happens) reporters and commentators scrambling to break open this shocking untold story. You know, the one that was written about here, here and here, to name some disparate sources.

I can’t speak for big news organizations like CNN and the networks, but let’s think about this question another way: How often do such places devote their energies to covering the massive health disparities and poor outcomes that are wrought by our current system? How often are the travails of the women whose vulnerabilities Gosnell exploited — the poor, immigrants and otherwise marginalized people — given wall-to-wall, trial-level coverage? If you’re surprised that in the face of politicized stigma, lack of public funding or good information, and a morass of restrictive laws allegedly meant to protect women, the vacuum was filled by a monster — well, the most generous thing I can say is that you haven’t been paying attention.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:26 AM   #256
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Fitting that the right is trying to whip folks into a frenzy over #Gosnell the same day VA is trying to put safe abortion care out of reach.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:27 AM   #257
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The bottom line is that politicizing abortion led to Gosnell. Their answer? Politicize it more.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:29 AM   #258
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...while there may be a lack of coverage by national mainstream media outlets at this time (I’ve seen posts from 2011 from NYT, CNN and others), the interesting part is that the idea that the MSM is part of a vast left-wing conspiracy. The left has been all over this story since the beginning. But for many, there is no distinction between the left and the so-called “liberal media”, so when they turn on CNN and don’t see any mention of the story on this particular day, it’s clear to them the liberals are burying this story.
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Is Gosnell’s trial getting the same level of coverage on cable as, say, the Jodi Arias trial? No. But that’s a question about the media’s priorities in general, rather than some sort of ideologically-driven fear that the pro-choice position would be exposed. Proponents of safe, legal abortion do not fear any light shed on this awful episode. To the contrary, they were some of the first to condemn Gosnell when the details of a grand jury report were made public in January 2011 and Gosnell was first charged.
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...To see the way this hustle works, consider how the conservative Washington Times has handled the Gosnell case so far. On March 18, they ran an AP dispatch about the start of the trial. Since then, they haven't published a single additional piece... And that brings us to today. Adding it all up, we have a grand total of one story about the trial itself and seven stories complaining that other media outlets aren't covering the trial. It's pretty obvious what the priorities are here, and, as Paul Farhi reports, the Washington Times is hardly alone:
The Weekly Standard and the National Review, two leading conservative magazines, for example, hadn’t published anything on the trial, according to a search of the Nexis database.1 The New York Post’s conservative editorial board has written one commentary — an editorial lamenting the lack of coverage, which, although it doesn’t mention it, includes its own paper.
We can add to that the Wall Street Journal's conservative editorial page, which hasn't mentioned it yet. And Alex Seitz-Wald reports that Fox News has run "brief updates on the trial in its roundup of the day’s news on several nights over the past month," but that's about it for its news programs.

Why hasn't the Gosnell trial caught on nationally? Beats me. I've often wondered just what it is that causes some local crime stories to become media sensations and others to molder in obscurity. But the interest of the conservative press is pretty obvious, and it has little to do with the grisly nature of the case itself. After all, they've been well aware of the Gosnell trial all along, because both Breitbart.com and conservative pro-life sites have been covering it extensively. Despite this, they barely mentioned it themselves. Obviously, even conservative editors didn't it consider it newsworthy on a national scale. Their outrage only kicked into high gear when they spied an opportunity to pretend that this was a story about the liberal media ignoring a grisly abortion story. And according to Farhi, it's working:
The media appears to be responding to the criticism. CNN devoted multiple segments to the story Friday. CBS said it plans two segments and MSNBC will discuss the trial on its “Morning Joe” program Monday. The Post ran a full AP report on it in Saturday’s editions; the paper has also assigned its own reporter to cover the trial in Philadelphia this week.

“We talked about the story during the day on Friday and decided that, in fact, the story warranted our staff attention because of the seriousness and scope of the alleged crimes and because this was a case that resonated in policy arguments and national politics,” said [Post executive editor Martin] Baron. “In retrospect, we regret not having staffed the trial sooner. But, as you know, we don’t have unlimited resources, and . . . there is a lot of competition for our staff’s attention.”
I'm not really outraged by conservatives working the refs like this. Both sides exploit tragic events for their own benefit. That's politics. But I sure hope the media itself understands just how zealously they're being worked.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...y-working-refs

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This story is so ignored that Obama was asked about it,shocking! The media asking the president a question about a story that the media is ignoring.
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...the "meta" story about this story is not necessarily an anti-abortion morality tale.

If it were easier and more socially accepted to get safer and earlier abortions in Pennsylvania, the demand for his services wouldn't be as high. Cutting funds for Planned Parenthood and other providers with reputations for medical excellence means that more people will seek the modern day equivalent of back-alley abortions.

Also, if health care inequalities weren't as pronounced, doctors like Gosnell would be kicked out of the market much earlier, or discovered much earlier.

As you read and metabolize the story and the debate, consider, yes, that media could have covered it a little better, think more broadly, too, about the many different ways in which the failure to catch Gosnell's horrible practices early enough represents significant systemic failures that have little to do with abortion.
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Serial murderer of born alive viable infants allowed to operate at will despite decades of complaints. Local and state regulatory agencies look the other way for decades for ideolgical "choice at any cost" reasons. Local and state regulatory agencies hire criminal defense lawyers after federal narcotics enforcement finally shines a light on the situation. But it's the fault of pro-life republicans. Go figure.
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:37 AM   #264
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But it's the fault of pro-life republicans.
You were reaching whilst condemning the "liberals" for the lack of MSM coverage. Now you're really reaching with this crap. Nobody's blaming "pro life Republicans". But it is being suggested they look in the mirror. All this outrage about the lack of coverage while the conservative media only covers the lack of coverage. Such hypocrisy. Like I said before, they've only succeeded in getting people like you stirred up. And further politicizing the issue is only going to make things worse. If "liberals" had their way underpriviledged women wouldn't need to go to doctors like this butcher. This fact conveniently escapes you.
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This is comical. A non-MSM article linking to mostly non-MSM articles proving, I guess, that there was no real reason this huge story should have never made a major newspaper's front page, or TV News Anchor's evening agenda.

You're completely missing the point. These sad struggles to distract only prove that it's intentional.
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This is comical. A non-MSM article linking to mostly non-MSM articles proving, I guess, that there was no real reason this huge story should have never made a major newspaper's front page, or TV News Anchor's evening agenda.

You're completely missing the point. These sad struggles to distract only prove that it's intentional.
Wouldn't that be more credible to you,considering how liberal you think the MSM is.
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You're completely missing the point...
I'm the one missing the point here!
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Wouldn't that be more credible to you,considering how liberal you think the MSM is.
Sure if you think backing up Fox News with say a Breitbart article would add source credibility.
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I'm the one missing the point here!
Epic. "I know you are but what am I"

Fortunately many on the left and in the MSM are doing some introspection and soul searching, or just plain old admitting they effed up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...nell-coverage/

But not Tony. He says his guys did perfectly, even if they won't say so.
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Not one story about the death penalty trial of a physician serial murderer of infants and women, with complicit regulatory agencies, on any national network. Not a single story. But 36 separate national broadcasts about a homophobic meanie basketball coach.
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Not one story about the death penalty trial of a physician serial murderer of infants and women, with complicit regulatory agencies, on any national network. Not a single story. But 36 separate national broadcasts about a homophobic meanie basketball coach.
Buh...buh...buh, the NYTimes once printed an article on A15 a couple years ago! You know, where the really important news goes.

Like what Haiti's PM thinks about the economy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/wo...AC9A82E0B7D905

Or where an evangelist might stay for cheap in Brooklyn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/05/ny...7700780ADD5408

Pathetic.
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But not Tony. He says his guys did perfectly, even if they won't say so.
Sigh. You're smarter than this. I know you are. If you'd actually take the time to read and understand what I posted you wouldn't be making stupid, inaccurate statements like this. I'll even do you the favor of re-posting something from one of the articles I already posted that almost seems as if it was written directly to you.


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As you read and metabolize the story and the debate, consider, yes, that media could have covered it a little better, think more broadly, too, about the many different ways in which the failure to catch Gosnell's horrible practices early enough represents significant systemic failures that have little to do with abortion.
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Abortion is wrong and one day when the world becomes more enlightened hopefully everyone realizes it.
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Liberals are basically baby killers. You allow it and support it happending everyday. You all better hope you are right and there is no god or you are all guilty of though shall not kill.
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Saying the MSM isn't covering the trial is absolute BS. I've seen at least five articles on major networks from the past 48 hours and even clips from TV on it.
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