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Old 04-13-2013, 10:23 AM   #1
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When the Pats traded Seymour for a future first round pick it was pretty much universally thought of as a great move by Bellicheck. Personally I thought it was short sided. When you are trying to win a Championship in a given year you don't move a piece just to be better 3 years from now. In retrospect had the Pats not let him go I am confident they would have won a Lombardi. The problem with their team was the very thing Seymour gave them.

Lets hope that the Dumervil situation does not end up the same way.

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Old 04-13-2013, 10:27 AM   #2
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Seymour was potentially their best defensive player when he was dealt. or at least top 2.
Doom is not for us. Von,Champ,Wolfe are more crucial to our success than Doom.

plus we can replace him in the draft. the Pats drafts have sucked for quite some time and only last year did they semi turn it around.
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They got an early first for Seymour.

We can't even get a comp pick for Elvis.

Seymour was exiled to Jokeland.

Elvis just went to the SB champs who stole a Lombardi from US for peanuts.

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Seymour was potentially their best defensive player when he was dealt. or at least top 2.
Doom is not for us. Von,Champ,Wolfe are more crucial to our success than Doom.

plus we can replace him in the draft. the Pats drafts have sucked for quite some time and only last year did they semi turn it around.
Wolfe more crucial than Elvis has been!

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They got an early first for Seymour.

We can't even get a comp pick for Elvis.

Seymour was exiled to Jokeland.

Elvis just went to the SB champs who stole a Lombardi from US for peanuts.



Wolfe more crucial than Elvis has been!

You guys ****ing kill me!
Rev I know you value the draft more than I do. Actually IMO the draft picks are way overvalued and every year we should look at moving a 5-7 pick for a player. Think the Browncos. However that aside. Do you think the Pats made a mistake?
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Seymour was potentially their best defensive player when he was dealt. or at least top 2.
Doom is not for us. Von,Champ,Wolfe are more crucial to our success than Doom.

plus we can replace him in the draft. the Pats drafts have sucked for quite some time and only last year did they semi turn it around.
Wolfe is going to be a very, very good all-around defensive player... but I think Doom is more valuable than Wolfe.

Not saying losing Doom is as big of a deal as some people make it out to be, though.
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Rev I know you value the draft more than I do. Actually IMO the draft picks are way overvalued and every year we should look at moving a 5-7 pick for a player. Think the Browncos. However that aside. Do you think the Pats made a mistake?
I do. Seymour was completely unstoppable sometimes even on Jokeland's front. They've lost two superbowls by 1 play... that's a disparity that Seymour could've easily overturned and then some.

...but I don't think it was NEARLY the mistake Denver made with Elvis.
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When the Pats traded Seymour for a future first round pick it was pretty much universally thought of as a great move by Bellicheck. Personally I thought it was short sided. When you are trying to win a Championship in a given year you don't move a piece just to be better 3 years from now. In retrospect had the Pats not let him go I am confident they would have won a Lombardi. The problem with their team was the very thing Seymour gave them.

Lets hope that the Dumervil situation does not end up the same way.
I wish Dumervil gave us SB wins like Seymour did the Pats.
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relevant article
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...eymour-trade-2
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Ill take Von millers word over rush defense charts and jaded fans on what dumervil meant to this defense. Von said the most important reasons, much more than sacks and stops for loss.

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So has the narrative and blame shifted to the front office for the Doom debacle and not his D-league agent's inability to operate a fax machine? What about Doom getting butt-hurt as a result and signing with the Ravens for less money? Also FO's fault?
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Threads like this make me want to quit the orangemane.
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Is OP unaware that side, site, and sight aren't the same word?
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Seymour was potentially their best defensive player when he was dealt. or at least top 2.
Doom is not for us. Von,Champ,Wolfe are more crucial to our success than Doom.

plus we can replace him in the draft. the Pats drafts have sucked for quite some time and only last year did they semi turn it around.
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I do. Seymour was completely unstoppable sometimes even on Jokeland's front. They've lost two superbowls by 1 play... that's a disparity that Seymour could've easily overturned and then some.

...but I don't think it was NEARLY the mistake Denver made with Elvis.
Seymour was on the team for the first one.
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Seymour was on the team for the first one.
Oohhh, good call. Also notable, Seymour's compensation ended up netting Nate Solder.
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i just don't see Doom's production as being this huge hole we can never replace.
this team has drafted really well since Elway took over. i don't see Doom as such an important piece that it severely hampers our SB run. having him would have been ideal but DE is a insanely deep position in this draft and our defense is flexible enough to absorb the loss of Doom.
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If Doom had gotten hurt in August and missed the season, it would've been disappointing but hardly a roll over and die moment.
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...is anyone calling it that?
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Personally I don't think Doom has the same impact Seymour was having at the time. 80% of his production could be had at 1/3 of his original cost (doom). These are not that similar of cases. In reality this is simply a thought that tied back into this thread.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=110658

A Fantasy GM Draft where the Broncos had the chance to trade for Jared Allen. Med made the case that it is not good to give up this much for an aging Allen. I disagree Allen would be the prototypical player I would want our our DE. This is not going to be a dynasty we are trying to squeeze a Lombardi out of the end of the Manning Era.
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