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Old 04-13-2013, 06:28 AM   #51
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I have the same feeling about Te'o as I did Tebow so if Allen is there with our second pick then I'm all for it.
Way too many people to spread the ball around to. Loaded at WR as is.
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Way too many people to spread the ball around to. Loaded at WR as is.
this is Peyton Mother****ing Manning at QB. that's not even possible.
before we signed Welker i wanted us to draft either Keenan Allen, Justin Hunter or Deandre Hopkins.

Hunter and Hopkins i felt would end up in the upper half of the 2nd, though apparently Hunter is shooting up draft boards.
Allen i figured would be great value at #28 for his size and skill.

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this is Peyton Mother****ing Manning at QB. that's not even possible.
before we signed Welker i wanted us to draft either Keenan Allen, Justin Hunter or Deandre Hopkins.

Hunter and Hopkins i felt would end up in the upper half of the 2nd, though apparently Hunter is shooting up draft boards.
Allen i figured would be great value at #28 for his size and skill.
Between DT, Decker, Welker and Allen, we can have ALL of our cap tied to WRs in just 2-3 short years!

I got an idea. Let's just field Manning and 21 WRs.
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Not saying I advocate spending #28 on a WR (too many other needs), but it would be batter to have Keenan Allen, and let Decker walk after this year.

I think Allen is a far superior WR to Decker, better athleticism, way better at getting open, and more clutch...plus he's cheap for the next 4 years.
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Not saying I advocate spending #28 on a WR (too many other needs), but it would be batter to have Keenan Allen, and let Decker walk after this year.

I think Allen is a far superior WR to Decker, better athleticism, way better at getting open, and more clutch...plus he's cheap for the next 4 years.
Acquire talent, develop talent, let talent leave for $ and repeat.

You're advocating becoming a farm league for the rest of the NFL
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I don't know why you are being short-sighted, Rev.

You don't think we can't upgrade upon Caldwell or Willis? It is also an insurance policy if Decker walks and when Welker's contract is up. I see nothing wrong with spending a third or fourth round selection on a WR. Hell, there might be a good WR in the fifth round for us. Wherever there is value. Deep class. I'd take advantage of it. One of our top three guys go down with injury and then we are in trouble.
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Between DT, Decker, Welker and Allen, we can have ALL of our cap tied to WRs in just 2-3 short years!

I got an idea. Let's just field Manning and 21 WRs.
Welker is only here for two years and we have no slot behind him once he's gone. we'll have to pay some guys in a few years and having a cheap replacement for Decker or Welker would be an ideal thing.
plus our WR depth is crap behind those three. what happens if one of them gets hurt for 3-4 weeks? i don't want to rely on Matt Willis and hope the TE's can carry the load when he's not on the field.
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Welker is only here for two years and we have no slot behind him once he's gone. we'll have to pay some guys in a few years and having a cheap replacement for Decker or Welker would be an ideal thing.
plus our WR depth is crap behind those three. what happens if one of them gets hurt for 3-4 weeks? i don't want to rely on Matt Willis and hope the TE's can carry the load when he's not on the field.
Translation: We better prepare for SEVERAL YEARS DOWN THE ROAD because we dont already have an All-Pro replacement for the part time guy we just signed

Conclusion: L-O-L
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:22 PM   #59
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We're in "win now" mode. I would expect our top draft choices to all be immediate starting and/or impact players. I don't see a CB or a WR as doing either this season. I think we're playing to win now. Thus, I don't see a WR or CB being drafted until late at best.

I do see a pass rushing specialist, MLB, and RB as all immediate contributors that could help us get to a Super Bowl. And possibly, a Strong Safety as well, though Adams did play well last season.

Elway was very candid when he said that he drafts for starters or high impact guys in the first three rounds, and then will explore depth later in the draft.

I can't imagine our top three selections not being RB, MLB, and DE or S, depending on how we feel about Freeney. And, in fact, those are our first 4 selections for me.


1. RB Eddie Lacy
2. LB Jon Bostic
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Translation: We better prepare for SEVERAL YEARS DOWN THE ROAD because we dont already have an All-Pro replacement for the part time guy we just signed

Conclusion: L-O-L
we have maybe a two year window to compete. depending on Peyton's neck.
we have to fortify the current and prepare for life after Peyton.
we took Oz to start after Peyton, he's gonna need some young talent to play with as well.
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We're in "win now" mode. I would expect our top draft choices to all be immediate starting and/or impact players. I don't see a CB or a WR as doing either this season. I think we're playing to win now. Thus, I don't see a WR or CB being drafted until late at best.

I do see a pass rushing specialist, MLB, and RB as all immediate contributors that could help us get to a Super Bowl. And possibly, a Strong Safety as well, though Adams did play well last season.

Elway was very candid when he said that he drafts for starters or high impact guys in the first three rounds, and then will explore depth later in the draft.

I can't imagine our top three selections not being RB, MLB, and DE or S, depending on how we feel about Freeney. And, in fact, those are our first 4 selections for me.


1. RB Eddie Lacy
2. LB Jon Bostic
3. S Shawn Williams
4. DE Eric Martin
Must be some good stuff you're on over there, bud.
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Old 04-13-2013, 01:30 PM   #62
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Must be some good stuff you're on over there, bud.
Really? I thought Adams was solid. He was very effective blitzing, he tackled well, and he was decent in coverage when tasked with it. I thought he was pretty versatile and worked well within our defense. He's not all-world, but he's good enough to win a Superbowl with. Can't afford superstars everywhere. And we did pay his roster bonus, so it seems like he's in our plans as a starter for one more season.

I'm just trying to think how the Broncos are thinking. Moore seems to be the answer at one position, but we need to draft a safety to groom behind Adams for this year, so that he can start next year. I think the 3rd round gets us that safety in a deep class. I'm not entirely sure what to think about Quinton Carter going forward with the knee and gambling charge still in question.
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Really? I thought Adams was solid. He was very effective blitzing, he tackled well, and he was decent in coverage when tasked with it. I thought he was pretty versatile and worked well within our defense. He's not all-world, but he's good enough to win a Superbowl with. Can't afford superstars everywhere. And we did pay his roster bonus, so it seems like he's in our plans as a starter for one more season.

I'm just trying to think how the Broncos are thinking. Moore seems to be the answer at one position, but we need to draft a safety to groom behind Adams for this year, so that he can start next year. I think the 3rd round gets us that safety in a deep class. I'm not entirely sure what to think about Quinton Carter going forward with the knee and gambling charge still in question.
He was so bad they grabbed Leonhard two weeks into training camp to cut into his snaps, and did so come the reg season. Adams was below average in every aspect you mentioned.
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I thought Adams played better than Moore. I don't see a long term stud FS in Moore at all.. Adams as MUG said was solid, solid but unspectacular.

Apparently they aren't giving up on Moore, though he's no ballhawk and can't create turnovers.. Hopefully competition is brought in, I just don't like his game..

I'd like to see two safeties drafted from this deep class.. At FS I really like Phillip Thomas or Josh Evans. At SS there's a plathora of good options Vaccaro, Cyprien, Swearinger, Thomas, Williams, Wilcox, Williams, Taylor, McDonald..

This is why I would to add draft picks through the middle rounds..
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He was so bad they grabbed Leonhard two weeks into training camp to cut into his snaps, and did so come the reg season. Adams was below average in every aspect you mentioned.
Oh, now you're being silly. I didn't post a ton the last few years on this site, but I'm guessing you just aren't a fan of Mike Adams. That's fine, we all have our own dislikes towards certain players. I never liked DJ Williams because we drafted him over Vince Wilfork.

According to his snap count though, Adams played in 98% of all the snaps last year, and was pretty much at 100% down the stretch and into the playoffs. So was Rahim. Leonhard played roughly 15 snaps per game, mostly in our Dime package.

Adams may or may not suck, but Leonhard had no bearing on his play count. We had 1161 defensive snaps last season, Adams played in 1097 of them, while Leonhard played on 289.
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Oh, now you're being silly. I didn't post a ton the last few years on this site, but I'm guessing you just aren't a fan of Mike Adams. That's fine, we all have our own dislikes towards certain players. I never liked DJ Williams because we drafted him over Vince Wilfork.

According to his snap count though, Adams played in 98% of all the snaps last year, and was pretty much at 100% down the stretch and into the playoffs. So was Rahim. Leonhard played roughly 15 snaps per game, mostly in our Dime package.

Adams may or may not suck, but Leonhard had no bearing on his play count. We had 1161 defensive snaps last season, Adams played in 1097 of them, while Leonhard played on 289.
Ugh, he played that much and still couldn't manage a pick?
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We're in "win now" mode. I would expect our top draft choices to all be immediate starting and/or impact players.
I would agree with you if the 2012 draft had the same approach. The Broncos drafted a QB in the 2nd round to be developed behind Manning. They traded up in the 3rd round to select a small, raw, situational RB that must develop a stronger body, work on pass protection and receiving skills before he can have a bigger role as an ever-down player. When the 3rd round was over, the team had one player ready to be a starter and make an immediate impact. And then in the 4th round they drafted a stiff CB that missed the entire 2011 season with a torn ACL.

You might be right, and it's the guess that makes most sense, but I'm skeptical. It looks like the Broncos follow their board and keep a balance between immediate impact that can fill a need and players they really like and want to develop for the future. When a team wins 13 games and is considered one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl, the holes and desperate needs probably are not many. Obviously, you can always upgrade any position on the roster unless you already have a future Hall of Famer there.

A 13-3 team drafting heavily based on need will likely have very limited options and the draft board will be corrupted. Maybe the Broncos will change their approach and search exclusively for immediate starters, but it will be something very different compared to what they did last year. I also thought they would go "all-in", "win now", "plan A" in last year's draft.
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