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Old 04-12-2013, 08:12 AM   #151
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As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain. As far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality-Einstein

In the absence of uncertainty there can be no creativity #CosmicConsciousness - Deepak Chopra


What a truly great statement.

rep for posting it.

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Old 04-12-2013, 08:19 AM   #152
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Deepak Chopra....
Deepak Chopra is a great Spiritual teacher. I bet you have never read him.

Here check out this small book. If you do I'm betting you will change your mind about him. http://www.chopra.com/ssloshttp://www.chopra.com/sslos
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:27 AM   #153
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That we are not omniscient does not mean we're completely ignorant.

Duh.
If you claim to know anything without omniscients, you are ignorant.
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You can't fully know the part without fully knowing the whole.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:35 AM   #155
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and you can't fully know the whole when you are but a part of it.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:39 AM   #156
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Deepak Chopra is a great Spiritual teacher.


Chopra's a charlatan and a joke. Period.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:42 AM   #157
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Chopra's a charlatan and a joke. Period.
I agree he likes the money but the value of his writing is solid. Read Seven Spiritual Laws
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I agree he likes the money but the value of his writing is solid. Read Seven Spiritual Laws
Any one who makes massive dollars as a "spiritual leader" is immediately suspect in my book. He is a religious entrepreneur selling repackaged New Age babel.
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Any one who makes massive dollars as a "spiritual leader" is immediately suspect in my book. He is a religious entrepreneur selling repackaged New Age babel.
Normally I would agree with you in principal but in the case of Chopra his work is valid

Where is it written a Spiritual teacher must be poor?
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Normally I would agree with you in principal but in the case of Chopra his work is valid

Where is it written a Spiritual teacher must be poor?
Not poor, per se, but flaunting massive wealth seriously calls into question one's motivations. If the value of the message were the key to happiness/contentment, then that kind of excessive wealth would not be important to him. I don't agree much with Rick Warren, but it's easier to trust his sincerity since he tithes 90% of his earnings.
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Not poor, per se, but flaunting massive wealth seriously calls into question one's motivations. If the value of the message were the key to happiness/contentment, then that kind of excessive wealth would not be important to him. I don't agree much with Rick Warren, but it's easier to trust his sincerity since he tithes 90% of his earnings.
I understand your point but the Truth is the Truth no matter where it comes from.
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I'm on the fence with Chopra. I have several of his books and haven't gotten through all of them. Some good stuff, some crazy stuff. A lot of contradictions through his personal actions when you reflect on his works, but everyone is a little bit hypocritical. Depends on what angle you want to go through. A lot of people laugh at alternative healers / spirtual healing things in contrast to "modern medicine" -- and while some cynicism is certainly warranted and I understand skeptics, a lot of people just don't take the time to invest in those avenues to understand possible benefits to oneself.

Different strokes fo' different folks.
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I understand your point but the Truth is the Truth no matter where it comes from.
Is there a universally accepted definition of what truth is? Universal truth?
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I'm on the fence with Chopra. I have several of his books and haven't gotten through all of them. Some good stuff, some crazy stuff. A lot of contradictions through his personal actions when you reflect on his works, but everyone is a little bit hypocritical. Depends on what angle you want to go through. A lot of people laugh at alternative healers / spirtual healing things in contrast to "modern medicine" -- and while some cynicism is certainly warranted and I understand skeptics, a lot of people just don't take the time to invest in those avenues to understand possible benefits to oneself.

Different strokes fo' different folks.
I don't respect the man but some of the work is inspired
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I don't respect the man but some of the work is inspired
His stuff makes me think and allows me to approach health and wellness from a more holistic perspective. I was given the first book as a gift from a friend and then I found a few of his works at a Salvation Army like store in mint condition for a couple of bucks. Just a part of my collection. I'll read whatever is interesting.
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You can't fully know the part without fully knowing the whole.
Yeah, whatever.

Pure pablum.
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What I love about Chopra and what he uniquely brings to the field is his scientific mind and how he uses that for exploration of consciousness.
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Yeah, whatever.

Pure pablum.
The fundamentals of science will tell you that you can't know the truth, you can only devise theory's and experiments to get the best understanding possible given the perseption.
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Used to be kind of funny to watch gaff-o flail around in his vast ignorance of physics.

Now it's just terribly sad.
No one has refuted my statement that the nucleus of Hale-Bopp was negatively charged.

W*gs cannot answer the question. Maybe you can. Why, Fed?
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The fundamentals of science will tell you that you can't know the truth, you can only devise theory's and experiments to get the best understanding possible given the perseption.
Yeah, yeah.
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No one has refuted my statement that the nucleus of Hale-Bopp was negatively charged.
How about you refute Plait's calculation that if McCanney is correct, then Hale-Bopp would have been completely vaporized?

Since it wasn't...
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No one has refuted my statement that the nucleus of Hale-Bopp was negatively charged.

W*gs cannot answer the question. Maybe you can. Why, Fed?
I can make bald assertions to, doesn't mean they earn me the right to have someone spend their time refuting them.

Where's your actual evidence with appropriate citations?
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How about you refute Plait's calculation that if McCanney is correct, then Hale-Bopp would have been completely vaporized?

Since it wasn't...
Nonsense. McCanney never said that.

As usual, Plait misunderstands what the model is about.

Being committed to a failed scientific model is like being trapped in a room with no doors or windows. There is no way to smoothly go from the obsolete model to the next one. You have to leap.

The mind can't hold both at the same time.

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I can make bald assertions to, doesn't mean they earn me the right to have someone spend their time refuting them.

Where's your actual evidence with appropriate citations?
Here's the link to the Stanford site where the UV photo of Hale-Bopp was posted. Stanford credited the shot to SOHO/SWAN.

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/art/comet.html

Stanford was wedded to the ice model. They claimed that Hale-Bopp outgassed water vapor and solar energy caused the water to breakup into Oxygen and Hydrogen gas.

Not likely since Hale-Bopp is a rock. But also because this cloud of hydrogen was 60 million miles across. That's 7 times the diameter of the sun.

How to explain the Hydrogen?


My take - this is not an outgassing, but a case of attraction: the solar wind -- hydrogen nuclei -- positively charged protons being attracted to a negatively charged comet nucleus.

In other words -- with this photo -- we are looking at hard evidence of an electromagnetic phenomenon at macro scale- - something that mainstream science says does not happen.

No one has ever proved that comet tails are the result of outgassing.

I'll post the photo again. Truly amazing.

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Nonsense. McCanney never said that.

As usual, Plait misunderstands what the model is about.
Plait understands exactly the claims of McCanney's model.

No matter how much you try to deflect, deny, lie, and obfuscate, McCanney's model simply cannot work. Period.

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Being committed to a failed scientific model is like being trapped in a room with no doors or windows. There is no way to smoothly go from the obsolete model to the next one. You have to leap.
Throwing out all of science - physics, chemistry, astronomy, and so on - just so one can believe in McCanney's model is utter nonsense.

If McCanney's model cannot work with what we know and understand, then we don't pitch all that and start over from scratch. McCanney fixes his model.

He can start by trying to justify his "comets gain mass" view that doesn't result in the comet being completely vaporized in very short order.
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