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Old 04-09-2013, 05:38 PM   #151
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No corporations. No unions. Publicly financed elections.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:41 PM   #152
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And their hand in Perestroika was?
What I just posted. Everybody has differing opinions about the get tough attitude of Thatcher and Reagan, but one thing is for sure - they broke the Iron Curtain.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:47 PM   #153
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The Soviet Union collapsed of its own weight. Reagan was in the right place at the right time. Nothing England could do had anything to do with it.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:54 PM   #154
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The Soviet Union collapsed of its own weight. Reagan was in the right place at the right time. Nothing England could do had anything to do with it.
Russia collapsed because of the money the government spent on things like the military, etc…

They went broke.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:57 PM   #155
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Tell me more about capitalism and health care.



Hmmmm….wonder if that has to do with how people live their lives and not the actual health care they get?


Prolly not...
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Old 04-09-2013, 06:05 PM   #156
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:59 AM   #157
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Soviet Union collapsed because they didn't invigorate and grow a robust private sector. You can have some state run, state ownership but not a lot if you want a strong economy. None is best. Let the private sector compete and that will spur advancement and growth. We owe Reagan so much he was such a great leader.
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:08 AM   #158
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Our hero Reagan
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Old 04-10-2013, 05:50 AM   #159
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And they can all participate in the political process - AS INDIVIDUALS. After all, that's the foundational difference of America's take on liberty and what separates us from what came before - liberty is defined as the sacred territory of the individual.

As far as the SCOTUS goes, read these:

Dred Scott v Sandford
Plessy v Ferguson
Buck v Bell
Korematsu v US
Bush v Gore
Obamacare*

They are far from perfect. BTW, the original court finding of corporate "personhood" in Santa Clara County v Southern Pacific Railroad didn't even exist. The court didn't deal with the issue of personhood in the case. A court clerk made an error in the headnote.

It's really odd that we would want to give corporations personhood, anyway. After all, corporations were invented to shield individuals from legal responsibility for their actions.

I've seen a whole lot of corporations in my time. They look like this:
The point is, you have failed to address my post - corporations are free associations of people, a right preserved in the 1st A.
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:31 AM   #160
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Awful ,evil, working class hating b****.I never speak ill of the dead but she made the rich richer the poor poorer . She killed steel ,coal and the working class people. Awful awful evil person.
#1 in the charts in uk is now "ding dong the witch is dead" ,this speaks volumes.
As for her funeral costing 8 million to 10 million pounds ,i say put her on raft and set fire to her on the thames .You couldnt use coal tho ,we have none .
Iron Lady RIP ..rust in pee.
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:51 AM   #161
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The point is, you have failed to address my post - corporations are free associations of people, a right preserved in the 1st A.
Nobody is talking about stopping associations. We're talking about stopping them from buying elections.
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:53 AM   #162
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The point is, you have failed to address my post - corporations are free associations of people, a right preserved in the 1st A.
If corporations were taking votes from their rank and file on how to donate money, you might have a point. But they don't. This just empowers the board of directors to spend corporate funds to influence elections. Run-of-the-mill stock holders and rank and file employees have no say. That's not a case of "free associations of people" agreeing on how to pool their money. Also, money is not the same thing as speech.
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Old 04-10-2013, 07:14 AM   #163
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Old 04-10-2013, 07:28 AM   #164
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No corporations. No unions. Publicly financed elections.
So you want elections where basically only the government is allowed to functionally speak.
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ColoradoDarin, LMFAO.
Exactly. I've been shaking my head at the cluelessness of his (and some others') posts as well, and I'm glad to see I'm far from the only one. Worrying about the 1st Amendment rights of corporations. Good god.
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So you want elections where basically only the government is allowed to functionally speak.
As with the majority of your posts, I'm just left with WTF
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Old 04-10-2013, 08:51 AM   #167
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As with the majority of your posts, I'm just left with WTF
It's not that difficult. Effective speech in the mass media age requires resources. You prefer a system where the government doles out those resources only to those who've been officially rubber-stamped. Everyone else (not approved by the government) is to remain functionally silent.

You don't see any free speech issues with this?
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Exactly. I've been shaking my head at the cluelessness of his (and some others') posts as well, and I'm glad to see I'm far from the only one. Worrying about the 1st Amendment rights of corporations. Good god.
Fail.

Not what I said, and not what I'm arguing for.

Try again.
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Old 04-10-2013, 08:59 AM   #169
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I'm just glad that we're (mostly) done with all the hate-masturbation of the first couple of pages.
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Awful ,evil, working class hating b****.I never speak ill of the dead but she made the rich richer the poor poorer . She killed steel ,coal and the working class people. Awful awful evil person.
#1 in the charts in uk is now "ding dong the witch is dead" ,this speaks volumes. As for her funeral costing 8 million to 10 million pounds ,i say put her on raft and set fire to her on the thames .You couldnt use coal tho ,we have none . Iron Lady RIP ..rust in pee.
I don't get it. You are kidding yourself if you think that steel and coal production in England is viable compared to other countries. I think all this angst and hate for Thatcher is because she addressed some real problems in England and her solutions weren't about being popular but more about keeping the economy affloat.

Sorry blue, but your hate is something I refuse to understand.
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It's funny how conservatives here claim to know more about thatcher & her popularity then the people of England. So popular,so right that her own party kicked out of power.
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It's funny how conservatives here claim to know more about thatcher & her popularity then the people of England. So popular,so right that her own party kicked out of power.
I believe she had the second longest run of any Prime Minister of the 20th century so even if she wasn't "popular" she did get re-elected so I'm not sure how that works. Also, I never said she was popular, just that she had some very difficult things to deal with and that the way she delt with them was never going to make everyone happy. That's known as "leadership" something the not everyone understands.
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Raygun grew gubmint and the deficit.Isn't that anti repub philosophy? or does it only apply when an evil muslim prez like obama does it?
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oh and thatcher was a socialist. oh noes!
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I believe she had the second longest run of any Prime Minister of the 20th century so even if she wasn't "popular" she did get re-elected so I'm not sure how that works. Also, I never said she was popular, just that she had some very difficult things to deal with and that the way she delt with them was never going to make everyone happy. That's known as "leadership" something the not everyone understands.
GWB got reelected as well. So that isn't saying much. Not much at all.
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