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Old 04-04-2013, 11:51 AM   #501
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FWIW, Kiper has broncos taking DJ Hayden in the first. Obviously, its just a mock, but i do think he gets insight into what teams are thinking. He had denver taking Derek Wolfe in the first last year when no one did. Something to keep an eye on
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:52 AM   #502
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Any safety playing a deep third should have deep third responsibility. If Moore took a couple steps forward, thats more than likely on him. And he definitely wasn't playing the RUN like you had suggested.

You really think it was in the plan to have Tony Carter cover Jones one-on-one down the sideline?

Watch the tape. And get ****ed.


Don't get mad little girl.

I don't know why Rahim took two steps forward at the snap. You can speculate all day as to why. What I do know is that he made a play on the ball and missed. I can forgive him for that. Carter was not involved at any point of the play, which is inexcusable. That's all I've ever said.

Keep trying to pin me to some bull**** and keep making yourself look stupid.
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Don't get mad little girl.

I don't know why Rahim took two steps forward at the snap. You can speculate all day as to why. What I do know is that he made a play on the ball and missed. I can forgive him for that. Carter was not involved at any point of the play, which is inexcusable. That's all I've ever said.

Keep trying to pin me to some bull**** and keep making yourself look stupid.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:02 PM   #504
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So again, according to you, Rahim had his "eyes on the run game."
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:03 PM   #505
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Don't get mad little girl.

I don't know why Rahim took two steps forward at the snap. You can speculate all day as to why. What I do know is that he made a play on the ball and missed. I can forgive him for that. Carter was not involved at any point of the play, which is inexcusable. That's all I've ever said.

Keep trying to pin me to some bull**** and keep making yourself look stupid.
And "little girl."

You are the king of the witty insult
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:08 PM   #506
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FWIW, Kiper has broncos taking DJ Hayden in the first. Obviously, its just a mock, but i do think he gets insight into what teams are thinking. He had denver taking Derek Wolfe in the first last year when no one did. Something to keep an eye on
Kiper said J Russel was the next John Elway....
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:09 PM   #507
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Kiper said J Russel was the next John Elway....
i didnt say he necessarily knows how to evaulate talent, i just think he's got an ear into what teams are thinking
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:20 PM   #508
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So again, according to you, Rahim had his "eyes on the run game."
He had his eyes on something didn't he? I have no idea if it was something in the backfield, or a pass underneath. I don't know if he was coached to 'watch underneath' or not. All I know is Ron Milus was fired, Rahim Moore will probably be starting FS in 2013, and Tony Carter is now 4th CB on the depth chart.

I'm not mad at Rahim for making a bad play on the ball, and neither are the Broncos.

I am mad at Tony Carter for not giving any effort on the play. He makes plays sometimes, then is out in the ozone layer sometimes. That's why he's slated to play special teams this year (just like last year before Porter went out).
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I think the Broncos need a complete player at RDE.

I would be happy if the Broncos picked Collins with their 1st pick (like Wolfe), if Carradine/Moore are gone. He could be gone by 58. It's no problem that he has 3-4 OLB skills, he's big and physical enough to play on the DL, and has shown good ability to rush the passer. He could develop into a special player. I'm sure he wouldn't start this year, but he would get a lot of PT behind Ayers leading into 2014.
Not to say that I wouldn't want complete RDE. But if that player should exist he'd be a top10 player for sure.

Is there a player that has pass rush ability and strength to just set the edge in this defense? Collins? Maybe. He did run 4.64 40 at the combine. But I can't find his stats from college.
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He had his eyes on something didn't he? I have no idea if it was something in the backfield, or a pass underneath. I don't know if he was coached to 'watch underneath' or not. All I know is Ron Milus was fired, Rahim Moore will probably be starting FS in 2013, and Tony Carter is now 4th CB on the depth chart.

I'm not mad at Rahim for making a bad play on the ball, and neither are the Broncos.

I am mad at Tony Carter for not giving any effort on the play. He makes plays sometimes, then is out in the ozone layer sometimes. That's why he's slated to play special teams this year (just like last year before Porter went out).
I'm not mad at him either. He made a mistake, so be it. The argument originated when you said it was ALL carter's responsibility. Thats ALL

Oh, and if he had his eyes on the run game, like you said. Then hes a ****ing idiot.
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FWIW, Kiper has broncos taking DJ Hayden in the first. Obviously, its just a mock, but i do think he gets insight into what teams are thinking. He had denver taking Derek Wolfe in the first last year when no one did. Something to keep an eye on
With the addition of DRC, and 2 CBs ranked in the top 10 currently on the team, I would flip if they take a CB that isn't named Rhodes or trufant in the 1st. It's a need, but pass rush is now the biggest need.
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With the addition of DRC, and 2 CBs ranked in the top 10 currently on the team, I would flip if they take a CB that isn't named Rhodes or trufant in the 1st.
Its def not a "win now" kind of move because there's literally no space for a new corner to play. Who would sit? Doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but so be it
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Its def not a "win now" kind of move because there's literally no space for a new corner to play. Who would sit? Doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but so be it
I love Harris and champ is champ. Maybe CB is a down the road pick cause champ isn't getting younger. But we had one of those last year pretty high with Brock. Hayden's stock is rising though. I'd just rather see a different position for 28th
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Not to say that I wouldn't want complete RDE. But if that player should exist he'd be a top10 player for sure.

Is there a player that has pass rush ability and strength to just set the edge in this defense? Collins? Maybe. He did run 4.64 40 at the combine. But I can't find his stats from college.
Tank Carradine could. He was a badass in JC, and had a great 2012 before the ACL. Not sure how the ACL will hurt him, plus he's somewhat unknown after only starting one year in college.

Jamie Collins (2012) - 92 tackles, 20 TFL's, 10 sacks

Collins isn't as strong as Carradine though, and went to Southern Miss (CUSA), so I would only pick him on a trade town (like Wolfe).
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They could replace him with Carradine or D. Moore in the 1st round. But it's a wasted draft pick. Been over that before.
I would love if Denver could get Carradine. Is he a first or second rounder now? I read he is climbing the draft.
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Don't get mad little girl.

I don't know why Rahim took two steps forward at the snap. You can speculate all day as to why. What I do know is that he made a play on the ball and missed. I can forgive him for that. Carter was not involved at any point of the play, which is inexcusable. That's all I've ever said.

Keep trying to pin me to some bull**** and keep making yourself look stupid.
Carter was just as fault as Moore. Carter was supposed to bump him at the LOS and he didn't. He was also supposed to cover him and Moore would provide the double. Instead Carter just released him.

They are mental breakdowns which happens what can you do?
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I'm not mad at him either. He made a mistake, so be it. The argument originated when you said it was ALL carter's responsibility. Thats ALL
Dude, that was like 3 months ago. Not sure why you're bringing it up in this thread. Yeah, Rahim screwed up, at least he tried.


Interesting that Kiper has DJ Hayden mocked to the Broncos. That would be a pretty sweet pick. I don't know anything about Hayden, but it sounds like he could be a #1 shutdown CB.
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I would love if Denver could get Carradine. Is he a first or second rounder now? I read he is climbing the draft.
I saw him at #25 somewhere...which has me worried.
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Price he's bringing it up because let's face it pal, you wrong with just about everything!
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According to you, you have to trade up for a pass rusher. And the cupboard is empty after the first round, right price?
Yeah, pretty much if you want a stud. That's how it goes. EVERY TEAM wants a 3-down RDE that can get double-digit sacks year after year.

The high-salary RDE's have been devalued lately because of the rookie payscale. But, EVERY TEAM still wants that 3-down RDE that can get double-digit sacks, lots of pressures, FF's year after year.

So I agree with Price, Drunken, heyneck, etc whoever says now they lost Elvis, they have to find one somewhere. Where is that RDE gonna come from? Round One of the draft . . . .

You or whomever can say they just need a situational pass-rushing RDE, and maybe that's true, but I doubt the brass is thinking that way. They want the stud at RDE same as every team in the League, they just didn't want to put too much of the cap into it. They rolled the dice, lost the roll, now they have to roll again.
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Price he's bringing it up because let's face it pal, you wrong with just about everything!
I never said it was all Carter's fault. Rahim screwed up, which was obvious to everyone. A lot of people were calling for Rahim's head (including you), so I posted that Carter messed up worse than Rahim, because he (Carter) didn't even try.

I watched Carter the 2nd half of the season, and I feared that the Broncos would lose because of his lack of effort. I made a thread about it even, because I was worried. I was right to be worried, and I believe I was right that it was mostly Carter's fault. You can say what you want.

I still think if Porter was playing, the Broncos would have won.
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I never said it was all Carter's fault. Rahim screwed up, which was obvious to everyone. A lot of people were calling for his head, so I posted that Carter messed up worse than Rahim, because he (Carter) didn't even try.

I watched Carter the 2nd half of the season, and I feared that the Broncos would lose because of his lack of effort. I made a thread about it even, because I was worried. I was right to be worried, and I believe I was right that it was mostly Carter's fault. You can say what you want.

I still think if Porter was playing, the Broncos would have won.
Youre still wrong about this. Rahim's one job was not to let Jones get by him. Lets say Carter was supposed to bump him and screwed up, Rahim still had plenty of time to adjust...but he leveled off.
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Youre still wrong about this. Rahim's one job was not to let Jones get by him. Lets say Carter was supposed to bump him and screwed up, Rahim still had plenty of time to adjust...but he leveled off.
Exactly right.
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Youre still wrong about this. Rahim's one job was not to let Jones get by him. Lets say Carter was supposed to bump him and screwed up, Rahim still had plenty of time to adjust...but he leveled off.
I just rewatched the play about 20 more times.

1. Rahim backpedaled furiously at the snap the prior two plays. He wasn't looking in the backfield at all, and had deep covered.
2. He also backpedaled prior to the hail mary snap (but hesitated a little). I couldn't see that when I was watching a GIF of the play 3 months ago. He did not take any steps forward at all.
3. Rahim was right there to make the play, but made the cardinal sin of lifting his arm closest to the WR to bat down the ball (instead of his arm closest to the QB).
4. Lifting his left arm (instead of his right), caused his body to get turned around and lose momentum. He was forced to back-pedal, and came up 6 inches short.
5. The only problem I see, is that he played the wrong arm in his technique. Easily fixable.
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Dude, that was like 3 months ago. Not sure why you're bringing it up in this thread. Yeah, Rahim screwed up, at least he tried.


Interesting that Kiper has DJ Hayden mocked to the Broncos. That would be a pretty sweet pick. I don't know anything about Hayden, but it sounds like he could be a #1 shutdown CB.
Lets just hope he doesn't catch a helmet to his chest.
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