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Old 04-02-2013, 06:59 PM   #351
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I think somewhere in this crop of players, the Broncos will be able to find a guy who can come in and be an asset rushing the passer in his first year. I don't think we are going to get a Pro-Bowler off the bat, but not everybody is a Von Miller. Derek Wolfe accomplished big things last year as a first year player and I'm willing to bet there is a player with schematic / positional versatility in this years draft who has a unique skill set to help us get after the passer.
The idea that we need to find a pro bowler to replace Doom is getting silly. Like we need to reach X amount of sacks otherwise we can't win a SB.
I still believe we can improve the D without having a pass rushing specialist at RDE. We list players that can improve the team and they counter with "he won't get us 17.5 sacks (cause Doom does that year in and year out ).
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:02 PM   #352
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hhh, with Doom, we did not win a playoff game last year, How in the wide world of sports do you make such a statement
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:05 PM   #353
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I don't care about stats in the end, I just don't think this is a top 5 defense without the pressure that Doom provides. Pressure is what this defense needs, and sacks are just the easiest way to measure that.

If Simon gets 8 sacks, 4 FF, 7 PD, 9 TFL, he would certainly be the DROY. Only two players had those type of stats last season, Watt and Abraham. Thinking a probable 3rd or 4th rounder could come in and do that as a rookie is ridiculous.

I have a better idea. Let's get 7 Von Millers, and 4 2006 Champs, and use them as our entire defense. Who is this SOLB you want to draft that is Von + coverage skills?
I will unleash that very soon.. I think there are actually several candidates who could fit that mold.

I want everyone to remember this is my idea and you heard it here first! Von to play RDE and a new SOLB while utilizing the same scheme!!
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I will unleash that very soon.. I think there are actually several candidates who could fit that mold.

I want everyone to remember this is my idea and you heard it here first! Von to play RDE and a new SOLB while utilizing the same scheme!!
I hope we hear it last here also (and in Dove Valley). That could be as disastrous as when Wade Phillips put Simon Fletcher on the end. Sacks dropped dramatically. I don't see it and don't think it is a very good solution. You better come up with another idea, pricejj style.
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I think somewhere in this crop of players, the Broncos will be able to find a guy who can come in and be an asset rushing the passer in his first year. I don't think we are going to get a Pro-Bowler off the bat, but not everybody is a Von Miller. Derek Wolfe accomplished big things last year as a first year player and I'm willing to bet there is a player with schematic / positional versatility in this years draft who has a unique skill set to help us get after the passer.
It's gotta be the right fit IMO. I think Wolfe benefited from having dumervil and Von on his line. The FO has been pretty dam solid so far and I got faith that they have a plan. It's not so much who's gonna replace 12 sacks 6 FFs, but rather whos gonna step up when it's 3rd down and force the QB into throwing it in the stands or grass. The little things that go unoticed. Timely appearances during games. I'm not a fan of moving Von though like Bmore is exploring. Don't fix what ain't broke with him.

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The idea that we need to find a pro bowler to replace Doom is getting silly. Like we need to reach X amount of sacks otherwise we can't win a SB.
I still believe we can improve the D without having a pass rushing specialist at RDE. We list players that can improve the team and they counter with "he won't get us 17.5 sacks (cause Doom does that year in and year out ).
Without pressure this team folds. We saw the defense tends to struggle when there's no pressure on opposing QBs. Teams without impact players at that position tend to make up for it by running more blitz packages. I don't want to see that. Saying we need a probowl replacement is a bit over the top but I do think IMO we need someone that will disrupt on a consistent basis.
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Without pressure this team folds. We saw the defense tends to struggle when there's no pressure on opposing QBs. Teams without impact players at that position tend to make up for it by running more blitz packages. I don't want to see that. Saying we need a probowl replacement is a bit over the top but I do think IMO we need someone that will disrupt on a consistent basis.
Well that includes Doom so you should be OK with us moving away from the high priced RDE that isn't consistent enough to disrupt teams.
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Well that includes Doom so you should be OK with us moving away from the high priced RDE that isn't consistent enough to disrupt teams.
Doom was very consistent last season. He was top ten in the league in pressures. Without that type of pressure demanding the attention of the O-line, Von will have to fight through more to get to the QB, his performance will suffer, and our defense overall will be worse. Hopefully our offense will be improved enough to make up for it.
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Well that includes Doom so you should be OK with us moving away from the high priced RDE that isn't consistent enough to disrupt teams.
That was one very important game. You don't get 63.5 sacks in about 75 games started without being consistent. Von disappeared in that game too but he's great still ya?
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I will unleash that very soon.. I think there are actually several candidates who could fit that mold.

I want everyone to remember this is my idea and you heard it here first! Von to play RDE and a new SOLB while utilizing the same scheme!!
This makes some sense... this draft is pretty strong with DE/OLBers and Sio Moore and Corey Lemonier are good examples of this.
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That was one very important game. You don't get 63.5 sacks in about 75 games started without being consistent. Von disappeared in that game too but he's great still ya?
You know what **** it. We are ****ed without Doom. Manning should just quit.
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You know what **** it. We are ****ed without Tebow. Manning should just quit.

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Well there hasn't been a thing anyone has suggested that has been good enough for you and the Legion of Doom. So you tell me what the **** we do. You keep said the D struggles when we don't get pressure, yet some how that doesn't include ****ing Elvis Dumervil.
Denver game planned the playoffs with Miller not rushing the passer as much and look what happened. At some point you would hope that your 12 million dollar DE would beat a guy that isn't even on a NFL roster to date because that is how awesome he is.
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Well there hasn't been a thing anyone has suggested that has been good enough for you and the Legion of Doom. So you tell me what the **** we do. You keep said the D struggles when we don't get pressure, yet some how that doesn't include ****ing Elvis Dumervil.
Denver game planned the playoffs with Miller not rushing the passer as much and look what happened. At some point you would hope that your 12 million dollar DE would beat a guy that isn't even on a NFL roster to date because that is how awesome he is.
Wow calm down I was just jokin. How am i implying that doesnt include dumervil? It reinforces my point that the team struggles when There's no pressure even WITH dumervil in there. Take him off the field and its less pressure than what we currently have on a game to game basis. Every game isn't going to have fierce pressure no matter who's in there. But it decreases your chances by stripping the line of a player that has more sacks than most on this line will not get in their careers.


And that's bull**** saying there hasn't been a thing that's been a suggestion I haven't liked. Dansby and Abraham would be great. Not in the cards though. The fact they haven't looked Dansbys way is pretty lame though. The FO thought dumervil wasn't worth 12 but was at 8. I see nothing wrong with that. Jared Allen isn't worth 12 in today's NFL. The team tried to keep him and it didnt work out. Don't know why I'm being crucified when thinking the teams defensive production will decrease a bit this year. I got laughed at when I said the offense scoring more than 30 a game will make up for it. Seems like this website should run the dam team with all these experts strolling through here

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Tomorrow morning I will be unleashing my suggestions for SOLB prospects, while moving Miller to RDE. I have a feel IAOFM will have an article about it, as it seems someone is always posting an article about a topic we are speaking about.

It's a much different thought on how to handle the position, then anything I have seen suggested!
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Tomorrow morning I will be unleashing my suggestions for SOLB prospects, while moving Miller to RDE. I have a feel IAOFM will have an article about it, as it seems someone is always posting an article about a topic we are speaking about.

It's a much different thought on how to handle the position, then anything I have seen suggested!
yep, IAOFM needs some fresh material...
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Tomorrow morning I will be unleashing my suggestions for SOLB prospects, while moving Miller to RDE. I have a feel IAOFM will have an article about it, as it seems someone is always posting an article about a topic we are speaking about.

It's a much different thought on how to handle the position, then anything I have seen suggested!
Here are some players I like in the draft for theb PRS/DRE: Red = played OLB
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Dion Jordan http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE

Ezekeil Ansah http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE

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Margus Hunt http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE

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Devin Taylor http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE

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Cornelius Washington http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE

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David Bass http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE

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Well there hasn't been a thing anyone has suggested that has been good enough for you and the Legion of Doom. So you tell me what the **** we do. You keep said the D struggles when we don't get pressure, yet some how that doesn't include ****ing Elvis Dumervil.
Denver game planned the playoffs with Miller not rushing the passer as much and look what happened. At some point you would hope that your 12 million dollar DE would beat a guy that isn't even on a NFL roster to date because that is how awesome he is.
If we lost Demaryius for no reason other than to save money, I would not be happy. No matter how much people posted about how we could just switch to an offense that didn't throw deep very much, or that we could just draft a WR that could do everything he could do, I would not be happy.

Our defense was special for one reason last season. They weren't special in the way they stopped the run, and they weren't special in the way they covered receivers. They were special in the way they pressured the QB. Losing a major reason for that will absolutely hurt our defense. Dumervil had more pressures than the #1 rushers on 23 different teams.

We will not be the #2 defense next year, and it wouldn't surprise me if we dropped significantly. Of course it's possible to do well in the postseason and even win the Super Bowl without Doom, but it would be easier with him.
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If we lost Demaryius for no reason other than to save money, I would not be happy. No matter how much people posted about how we could just switch to an offense that didn't throw deep very much, or that we could just draft a WR that could do everything he could do, I would not be happy.

Our defense was special for one reason last season. They weren't special in the way they stopped the run, and they weren't special in the way they covered receivers. They were special in the way they pressured the QB. Losing a major reason for that will absolutely hurt our defense. Dumervil had more pressures than the #1 rushers on 23 different teams.

We will not be the #2 defense next year, and it wouldn't surprise me if we dropped significantly. Of course it's possible to do well in the postseason and even win the Super Bowl without Doom, but it would be easier with him.
I don't really see it.

Dumervil was the prototype frontrunning DE. Most of his sacks came in the 4th Quarter and when the team was well ahead of the opposition.

I saw a player that worked hard as a three way DE but when teams ran right at him (which they did often and early) it tired him out in the back end of the season and took him out as a pass rusher.

It's probably why he was asked to play more of a wide 9 role this year because it makes it easier for him to avoid getting beaten up in the run game.

He did provide a vital role in our scheme though. And that was to close off the backside angle and prevent the QB from stepping away from Von to escape his pressure.

Ayers can pretty much fill that role, even though he may not match the production. It's more about who we draft this year as the backup that's more important.
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Here are some players I like in the draft for theb PRS/DRE: Red = played OLB
1st round :

Dion Jordan http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE

Ezekeil Ansah http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE

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Margus Hunt http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE

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Devin Taylor http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE

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Cornelius Washington http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE

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David Bass http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=DE
Only about 15 players have true first round grades. but then i would say about 50 have 2nd round grades. This just opinion based on a lot of reading around the internet. Just mulling that over makes me think Broncos try and trade down again.
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Funny how bad Doom was at stopping the run yet he played by far more snaps on the DL than anyone else and Denver was the #3 defense against the rush. seems stats don't back the common thought that Doom was horrible against the run. I saw a guy that played every play very hard and will be missed more than people think.

Unless of course Denver can draft a stud to take his spot, than its all good.
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Funny how bad Doom was at stopping the run yet he played by far more snaps on the DL than anyone else and Denver was the #3 defense against the rush. seems stats don't back the common thought that Doom was horrible against the run. I saw a guy that played every play very hard and will be missed more than people think.

Unless of course Denver can draft a stud to take his spot, than its all good.
No doubt, everybody acts as if doom was a liability,a thorn in the side of our defense.
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Only about 15 players have true first round grades. but then i would say about 50 have 2nd round grades. This just opinion based on a lot of reading around the internet. Just mulling that over makes me think Broncos try and trade down again.
My hope is that Geno Smith slides into the mid-teens then Barkley slides to us and some team like the Cards is willing to trade back into the 1st. If we could get 2 2nds or 2nd and 3rd or 2nd this year + 1st next year I'd been in heaven.
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I don't really see it.

Dumervil was the prototype frontrunning DE. Most of his sacks came in the 4th Quarter and when the team was well ahead of the opposition.

I saw a player that worked hard as a three way DE but when teams ran right at him (which they did often and early) it tired him out in the back end of the season and took him out as a pass rusher.

It's probably why he was asked to play more of a wide 9 role this year because it makes it easier for him to avoid getting beaten up in the run game.

He did provide a vital role in our scheme though. And that was to close off the backside angle and prevent the QB from stepping away from Von to escape his pressure.

Ayers can pretty much fill that role, even though he may not match the production. It's more about who we draft this year as the backup that's more important.
I didn't like how his sacks always came late in the game, like his sack/safety on Schaub on the Texan's very first offensive play. Or how they all came after the game was decided, like his strip sack on Rivers which Carter returned for a TD. Of course, the way that he doesn't show up in the run game is frustrating, since he was second on the DL in stops, with 30 compared to Wolfe's 31.

Let me say this again, because I feel that people are intentionally ignoring it. Last season, Doom had more pressures than anyone on the following teams:

Arizona
Atlanta
Baltimore
Buffalo
Chicago
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Green Bay
Indianapolis
Jacksonville
Kansas City
New England
New Orleans
New York Giants
New York Jets
Oakland
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
San Diego
Seattle

Also, it is not all about production. It's about how the QB's internal clock ticks a little faster when there's a premier pass rusher coming from his blind side. That doesn't happen with Ayers.

It's about how the RB will stay over to Doom's side to help block him, rather than spying Von. That doesn't happen with Ayers.
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I didn't like how his sacks always came late in the game, like his sack/safety on Schaub on the Texan's very first offensive play. Or how they all came after the game was decided, like his strip sack on Rivers which Carter returned for a TD. Of course, the way that he doesn't show up in the run game is frustrating, since he was second on the DL in stops, with 30 compared to Wolfe's 31.

Let me say this again, because I feel that people are intentionally ignoring it. Last season, Doom had more pressures than anyone on the following teams:

Arizona
Atlanta
Baltimore
Buffalo
Chicago
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Green Bay
Indianapolis
Jacksonville
Kansas City
New England
New Orleans
New York Giants
New York Jets
Oakland
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
San Diego
Seattle

Also, it is not all about production. It's about how the QB's internal clock ticks a little faster when there's a premier pass rusher coming from his blind side. That doesn't happen with Ayers.

It's about how the RB will stay over to Doom's side to help block him, rather than spying Von. That doesn't happen with Ayers.
Bullcrap! Doom left the Orange and Blue behind, therefore he Sux! Plug in some fourth round mid-major college kid, and you won't notice a difference.

Anywho, in all seriousness we'd be laughing our asses off at anyone who said letting Dwight Freeney walk away for peanuts back in his prime would have been good for Peyton's Colts' championship prospects. But here we are.
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