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Old 04-02-2013, 04:14 PM   #326
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Not only that he knocks Simon for being under sized and having short arms yet Simon is bigger and has longer arms then Doom.

So let's say Jarvis Jones is there at 28 does Denver draft him and have him replace Ayers on pass rushing downs? I mean going by college stats 13.5 sacks followed by 14.5 sacks. He should be a beast. Then you factor in how he draws comparison to Von Miller it should be a slam dunk of a pick.
If Jones fell to #28 I think he would at least come in on passing downs, if not replace Miller at SOLB.. Allowing Miller to play RDE.. Which is one of my ideas and your stealing my thunder before I release my offseason plan 2.0!!!
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John Simon is the perfect LEO DE for us. His pro day numbers put him in the top 10 in every category. 40 time 4.62, 34 inch vertical, 10'01 broad, 7.10 3 cone, and 4.42 20 yard shuttle.

He is a second round guy that would allow Denver to still go after a MLB in the 1st round.

Like Simon, Gholston was a guy who seemed to be at his best with one hand in the dirt while he was chasing down quarterbacks from his defensive end position. Both Simon and Gholston played Ohio State’s hybrid drop-end position, called the Leo or Viper, while they were in Columbus, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they have the right skill set to play outside linebacker at the next level.

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This is incorrect. Simon did not play the hybrid position like Gholston did. That was Nathan Williams. Simon played the opposite DE position and dominated it. He is a good run/pass defender…

He would be a TERRIBLE OLBer….but a good DE.

Simon is an athletic freak and productive player, but his real value is his intangibles. Urban Meyer has two jerseys hanging in his office…

Tim Tebow's and John Simon's.

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Old 04-02-2013, 04:18 PM   #328
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I think the Broncos are interested in Sio (forgot last name) as a potential Doom replacement? He's an OLB, he's not real big per say, but they probably like his upside to get around the corner on a speed rush.

I like Corey Lemonier as an edge rusher, from what I've seen of him he's got the speed and power to be effective, but I'm no scout and this is why Elway makes the big money and I get to throw tantrums when the draft doesn't go my way...
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Not only that he knocks Simon for being under sized and having short arms yet Simon is bigger and has longer arms then Doom.

So let's say Jarvis Jones is there at 28 does Denver draft him and have him replace Ayers on pass rushing downs? I mean going by college stats 13.5 sacks followed by 14.5 sacks. He should be a beast. Then you factor in how he draws comparison to Von Miller it should be a slam dunk of a pick.
if he is there at #28 you run, don't walk, don't trip, don't take a detour, you run to the podium and draft him with the quickness. same with D Moore and Lacy if they're there. each would be a potential BPA and fill a key need.
i wanna see us use two early round picks on DL.
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This is incorrect. Simon did not play the hybrid position like Gholston did. That was Nathan Williams. Simon played the opposite DE position and dominated it. He is a good run/pass defender…

He would be a TERRIBLE OLBer….but a good DE.

Simon is an athletic freak and productive player, but his real value is his intangibles. Urban Meyer has two jerseys hanging in his office…

Tim Tebow's and John Simon's.
His intentions would be for Simon to play RDE not LBer.. I really like Simon, he's a lunch pail blue collar kind of guy who I really like. And I think Elway, Fox, and JDR covet those type of players as well!
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if he is there at #28 you run, don't walk, don't trip, don't take a detour, you run to the podium and draft him with the quickness. same with D Moore and Lacy if they're there. each would be a potential BPA and fill a key need.
i wanna see us use two early round picks on DL.
Even with the neck thing and poor 40 time?
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His intentions would be for Simon to play RDE not LBer.. I really like Simon, he's a lunch pail blue collar kind of guy who I really like. And I think Elway, Fox, and JDR covet those type of players as well!
I like Simon too. I think he shows up on tape and, even if he isn't piling up a ton of sacks, he defintely makes his presence felt and re-directs some throws...or makes the QB move in the pocket when he'd rather not. He's got a few good pass rushing moves and is relentless. However, i can see some of the top notch tackles in the league absolutely abusing him, but i think he'll hold his own in general.
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Where do you propose pass rushers come from if not in college? They must grow on trees.. You must agree that losing Doom cost us a chance at a Super Bowl.
Um...

I listed a lot of things I didn't like about Simon. Not a single one was "he is from college."

Therefore, I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Anyone consider we are not getting a "Doom replacement"

We might be going a completely different direction at DE.
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Not only that he knocks Simon for being under sized and having short arms yet Simon is bigger and has longer arms then Doom.

So let's say Jarvis Jones is there at 28 does Denver draft him and have him replace Ayers on pass rushing downs? I mean going by college stats 13.5 sacks followed by 14.5 sacks. He should be a beast. Then you factor in how he draws comparison to Von Miller it should be a slam dunk of a pick.
Those are both negatives for Doom. You may remember that he was drafted in the 4th round.

Doom, unlike Simon, had stellar production.

As for Jones, you absolutely draft him if he falls to #28.
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Anyone consider we are not getting a "Doom replacement"

We might be going a completely different direction at DE.
Ding, ding, ding.
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Um...

I listed a lot of things I didn't like about Simon. Not a single one was "he is from college."

Therefore, I have no idea what you are talking about.
I'm referring to this mild obsession you have with the notion that Doom and his production cannot be replaced. What would it take for you to be happy with in a replacement? 12 sacks and 7 FFs? Just pure stats?

What about a player like Simon who you think is a smurf for whatever reason producing 8 sacks, 4 FFs, 7 Pass Deflections, 9 TFL? Something balanced like that?

What if I suggested we draft a SOLB with a similar skill set to Von, but better in coverage and a solid pass rusher in his own right, while moving Von to RDE?
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Anyone consider we are not getting a "Doom replacement"

We might be going a completely different direction at DE.
Yeah Von Miller! And a new SOLB with a Von Miller type skill set.. Totally blows your mind!!
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We might be going a completely different direction at DE.
Yes I have.
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Yeah Von Miller! And a new SOLB with a Von Miller type skill set.. Totally blows your mind!!
People would riot.
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Anyone consider we are not getting a "Doom replacement"

We might be going a completely different direction at DE.
Like a player who's going to produce nothing? That's a completely different direction.
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His intentions would be for Simon to play RDE not LBer.. I really like Simon, he's a lunch pail blue collar kind of guy who I really like. And I think Elway, Fox, and JDR covet those type of players as well!
Totally agree...
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I'm referring to this mild obsession you have with the notion that Doom and his production cannot be replaced. What would it take for you to be happy with in a replacement? 12 sacks and 7 FFs? Just pure stats?

What about a player like Simon who you think is a smurf for whatever reason producing 8 sacks, 4 FFs, 7 Pass Deflections, 9 TFL? Something balanced like that?

What if I suggested we draft a SOLB with a similar skill set to Von, but better in coverage and a solid pass rusher in his own right, while moving Von to RDE?
Love this suggestion. Its really hard to replace a Doom through the draft. Better to have a guy that you know can rush the passer and draft a guy that has the tools to contribute later.
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Where do you propose pass rushers come from if not in college? They must grow on trees.. You must agree that losing Doom cost us a chance at a Super Bowl.
***cough*** ***cough***

hhh, with Doom, we did not win a playoff game last year, How in the wide world of sports do you make such a statement
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I'm referring to this mild obsession you have with the notion that Doom and his production cannot be replaced. What would it take for you to be happy with in a replacement? 12 sacks and 7 FFs? Just pure stats?

What about a player like Simon who you think is a smurf for whatever reason producing 8 sacks, 4 FFs, 7 Pass Deflections, 9 TFL? Something balanced like that?

What if I suggested we draft a SOLB with a similar skill set to Von, but better in coverage and a solid pass rusher in his own right, while moving Von to RDE?
I don't care about stats in the end, I just don't think this is a top 5 defense without the pressure that Doom provides. Pressure is what this defense needs, and sacks are just the easiest way to measure that.

If Simon gets 8 sacks, 4 FF, 7 PD, 9 TFL, he would certainly be the DROY. Only two players had those type of stats last season, Watt and Abraham. Thinking a probable 3rd or 4th rounder could come in and do that as a rookie is ridiculous.

I have a better idea. Let's get 7 Von Millers, and 4 2006 Champs, and use them as our entire defense. Who is this SOLB you want to draft that is Von + coverage skills?
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Would love to see what kind of grade the Broncos have on Corey Lemonier.
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If Simon gets 8 sacks, 4 FF, 7 PD, 9 TFL, he would certainly be the DROY. Only two players had those type of stats last season, Watt and Abraham. Thinking a probable 3rd or 4th rounder could come in and do that as a rookie is ridiculous.

Apparantly some here think mid round rookies or even someone taken at 28 will have pro bowl seasons as a rookie. But rookie history has percentages that just doesn't measure up to these expectations. Will be lucky to get 6 sacks out of a rookie taken that late.
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Apparantly some here think mid round rookies or even someone taken at 28 will have pro bowl seasons as a rookie. But rookie history has percentages that just doesn't measure up to these expectations. Will be lucky to get 6 sacks out of a rookie taken that late.
It's not like Denver hasn't had two rookies reach that mark in back to back years, one of which was picked after pick 28.
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Apparantly some here think mid round rookies or even someone taken at 28 will have pro bowl seasons as a rookie. But rookie history has percentages that just doesn't measure up to these expectations. Will be lucky to get 6 sacks out of a rookie taken that late.
I think somewhere in this crop of players, the Broncos will be able to find a guy who can come in and be an asset rushing the passer in his first year. I don't think we are going to get a Pro-Bowler off the bat, but not everybody is a Von Miller. Derek Wolfe accomplished big things last year as a first year player and I'm willing to bet there is a player with schematic / positional versatility in this years draft who has a unique skill set to help us get after the passer.
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