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View Poll Results: How do you replace Dumervil, primarily?
Sign Freeney 43 43.00%
Sign Abraham 37 37.00%
Sign Osi 5 5.00%
Draft 1st round DE 11 11.00%
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:45 AM   #26
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Not intending to specifically pick on you, Buff, but this "Manning wants him" thing has been blown way out of proportion. PM made some positive comments about a former teammate. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm sure if PM vouches for the guy it would be a positive, but it isn't going to be the deciding factor. It's going to be who they like better and $$$.
Example: Rumor has it that Peyton wanted Jeff Saturday. That didn't go well...
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Don't see what the team sees in Dwight Freeney. . . a low salary perhaps?
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:03 AM   #28
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Don't see what the team sees in Dwight Freeney. . . a low salary perhaps?
They've seen what happened in Indy when Peyton was on his offense. Pin the ears back once again.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:12 AM   #29
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I just hope they don't "overpay" for either Freeney or Abraham. Draw a line in the sand value wise and don't cross it. It's a buyers market, nobody's in a hurry to throw a lot of $$$ at either of them.
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I just hope they don't "overpay" for either Freeney or Abraham. Draw a line in the sand value wise and don't cross it. It's a buyers market, nobody's in a hurry to throw a lot of $$$ at either of them.
All signs are pointing to freeney. If that's the case this defense just got weak on the front line. Von is not going to like double teams.
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All signs are pointing to freeney. If that's the case this defense just got weak on the front line. Von is not going to like double teams.
I think if the Broncos bring in Freeney they also draft a DE relatively high so it may not be all bad. Freeney is simply a bridge to then next younger guy and like you said, I don't think that guy is on the team right now. Malik Jackson MAY be that guy but it's hard to know. Ayers is in a contract year so I would not be suprised if he all of a sudden blossoms into the player we've all been waiting for.

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Old 03-25-2013, 08:37 AM   #32
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I think if the Broncos bring in Freeney they also draft a DE relatively high so it may not be all bad. Freeney is simply a bridge to then next younger guy and like you said, I don't think that guy is on the team right now. Malik Jackson MAY be that guy but it's hard to know. Ayers is in a contract year so I would not be suprised if he doesn't all of a sudden blossom into the player we've all been waiting for.
Ya there is some talent in the draft for sure. I've never been a fan of players who perform great in contract years. Means they aren't giving 100% in the other years. Wrong work ethic. If we can get a community of players at that position to produce about 12-15 sacks then its better for the broncos in the long run to move on from doom
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Nothing wrong with Abraham other than age, but if you are using these last year stats alone to make your decision Im extremely glad you are not working with Elways at Dove Valley on this matter!

Last year Freeney was miscast as a 3-4 OLB, something his fast off the line hand in the dirt style his whole career was unsuited for. He also missed two games and was greatly slowed by the same injury in three others last season that all combined limited him to still fairly good 8.5 sacks.

Either Abraham or Freeney will be able to make up for Doom's production fine with our Dline and Von roaming the line and with neither guy facing a double team all year courtesy of Von ... That is a luxury that neither guy has ever much enjoyed in either of their careers.

Freeney will be highly motivated, if he is the guy we sign, rejoining Manning and finally on a Championship calibre defense again and, if he stays healthy, will easily resume his 11 sack a game average from years 2008 through 2010 before the Colts imploded in 2011 without Peyton and Freeneys sack total dropped to 8.5 and again lady year when he was stuck at 3-4 OLB and working through an injury limiting him to 5 sacks.
Good point. However, as you point out both are older player, if you look at their overall play of the last 3 years Abraham seems more stable while Freeney has declined. Also if you look at the way Falcons used Abraham vs. Colts used Freeney (sans last year OLB experiment), I see Falcons used Abraham the same way we used Doom.
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All signs are pointing to freeney. If that's the case this defense just got weak on the front line. Von is not going to like double teams.
You really think that Von never got double teamed last year?
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Freeney.... and draft a DE, does not have to be round 1...and going with what we got....

It will take all of this and Von to make up for Doom.
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Get freeney and start Ayers/Jackson, whoever win the job. With Knighton on the line and Wolfe in year 2 there shouldn't be any dropoff on downs 1 and 2. Bring freeney and Von off the edge on passing downs. Hopefully Ayers or Jackson surprise us
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It hard to gauge how Freeney actually would perform due to him playing out of position in Indy. The pedigree is there, but was the decline in production due to playing out of position, age, or both?
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You really think that Von never got double teamed last year?
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This whole dumb **** about "well now that doom is gone offenses can double von" is getting old.

I would say if Wolfe can get 6 sacks in this defense that Freeney would do just fine. He would be a situational player anyways - no way he plays 400+ snaps for us. The past two years he has played for a defense that was always behind. Last time he had a good supporting offense he notched 10 sacks and 5 FF with Mathis getting 11 and 1. He would play passing downs for us and would play lots of snaps towards the end of games when we are up big.

We would be just fine with Abraham or Freeney.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:56 AM   #40
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I like Osi, but looks like he's already gone to the Falcons. So I'd go with Freeney. Wolfe and Freeney, together with Von Miller and a little Ayers sprinkled in will do nicely.
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Freeney is NOT a Good option for DEN. Period. He has played hurt the last 2 years, barely practiced, and does not give a crap about anything but looking Good himself. He has never played within the team concept and often freelances in his pass rush leaving huge gaps and holes in the running game. It's not that he does not play the run well, he refuses to play the run at all.

Despite that, he has lost his true weapons as a pass rusher as well. He also commits more than a few offsides penalties, because he no longer has that explosive first step. It was that step that set him up to use the power move and spin move inside so effectively. Without it, he is just a former elite Pass rusher who no longer provides the worth in that department to justify his lack of scheme responsibility.

Abraham is very similar, but he at least has a little value of keeping some gap integrity in the way he plays. Freeney is freelancer, who no longer justifies the risk. The Colts will be stronger schematically without him, and DEN would not be better with him IMHO.

I would be shocked if DEN signed Freeney based on that, the only reason would be to have a Situational pass rusher hopefully. And even there, well, he no longer excels and is worn down physically.
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I think if the Broncos bring in Freeney they also draft a DE relatively high so it may not be all bad. Freeney is simply a bridge to then next younger guy and like you said, I don't think that guy is on the team right now. Malik Jackson MAY be that guy but it's hard to know. Ayers is in a contract year so I would not be suprised if he all of a sudden blossoms into the player we've all been waiting for.

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How would that not be all bad? you replace a multiple time pro bowler with a guy who is over the hill and the bottom of the barrel in a really weak rookie class. That seems like all bad to me.

Ayers has had 4 years and in that time 3 different competent defensive coordinators have decided that they didn't like him that much (interestingly the only year he started we had Martindale who ran the defense into the ground). If he had progressed then maybe there would be some room for optimism, but really he is still a guy who gets stifled by a single offensive tackle. Jackson could maybe be a decent player, but with a rookie season that yielded a total of 5 tackles there is really not much basis for expecting him to become a starter who can contribute on a level commensurate with what we have been getting from that position.

Abraham is the only currently available player who has proven recently that he can play at a high level playing the right end position in a 4-3. If we have to draft a DE in round 1, we are leaving either MLB or RB to chance.
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Sign them both to one year deals, and draft Quanterus Smith with a late round pick. Ride Abraham and Freeney into the ground, stash Smith on IR and have a top level talent in 2014 to replace old legs.
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Freeney is NOT a Good option for DEN. Period. He has played hurt the last 2 years, barely practiced, and does not give a crap about anything but looking Good himself. He has never played within the team concept and often freelances in his pass rush leaving huge gaps and holes in the running game. It's not that he does not play the run well, he refuses to play the run at all.

Despite that, he has lost his true weapons as a pass rusher as well. He also commits more than a few offsides penalties, because he no longer has that explosive first step. It was that step that set him up to use the power move and spin move inside so effectively. Without it, he is just a former elite Pass rusher who no longer provides the worth in that department to justify his lack of scheme responsibility.

Abraham is very similar, but he at least has a little value of keeping some gap integrity in the way he plays. Freeney is freelancer, who no longer justifies the risk. The Colts will be stronger schematically without him, and DEN would not be better with him IMHO.

I would be shocked if DEN signed Freeney based on that, the only reason would be to have a Situational pass rusher hopefully. And even there, well, he no longer excels and is worn down physically.
Do you feel the talk about Denver going after Freeney is just smoke then?
How about looking at a DE on a team that is switching to the 3-4 like the Eagles? Trent Cole doesn't fit that scheme IMO and has been rumored to be available.
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How would that not be all bad? you replace a multiple time pro bowler with a guy who is over the hill and the bottom of the barrel in a really weak rookie class. That seems like all bad to me.

Ayers has had 4 years and in that time 3 different competent defensive coordinators have decided that they didn't like him that much (interestingly the only year he started we had Martindale who ran the defense into the ground). If he had progressed then maybe there would be some room for optimism, but really he is still a guy who gets stifled by a single offensive tackle. Jackson could maybe be a decent player, but with a rookie season that yielded a total of 5 tackles there is really not much basis for expecting him to become a starter who can contribute on a level commensurate with what we have been getting from that position.

Abraham is the only currently available player who has proven recently that he can play at a high level playing the right end position in a 4-3. If we have to draft a DE in round 1, we are leaving either MLB or RB to chance.
I agree but I'm saying $ might finally motivate Ayers and if the Broncos have to lose Doom, then this may be the best time because Ayers is at the end of his rookie contract and, he might finally be somewhat productive to set up his next contract. I think there are plenty of cases where a very mediocre player had his absolute best year in his contract year because he knew that if he wanted that big money deal, he had to produce now. If this is the case with the Ayers, great! Then if I was the Broncos front office I'd make him a contract offer based on his entire career with the team and not throw the money at him. If he walks, he walks.

However, this is a pretty good year to be looking for a defensive line help. So that is why I think the Broncos make it a priority to draft one now that Doom is gone. No one knows about Malik Jackson but it's silly to assume he's all of a sudden going to explode and get double digit sacks as a DE. He can be part of a good rotation, but other than that, it's silly to think he's anything special until he proves otherwise.
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I think either Dwight or John will be a nice pick up. They will be used as specialists though, either one of them. I honestly think Ayers comes on this year. He had some really nice spurts last year. He plays the run really well and he's oh so close to those sacks. He has good pressure. I think with some more playing time that will really help get to that next level.
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I could care less which one they bring in. I would like them to look at someone like Damontre Moore and let him bulk up a little more his rookie year and play in situations and then hand the reins over his second year.
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Freeney is NOT a Good option for DEN. Period. He has played hurt the last 2 years, barely practiced, and does not give a crap about anything but looking Good himself. He has never played within the team concept and often freelances in his pass rush leaving huge gaps and holes in the running game. It's not that he does not play the run well, he refuses to play the run at all.

Despite that, he has lost his true weapons as a pass rusher as well. He also commits more than a few offsides penalties, because he no longer has that explosive first step. It was that step that set him up to use the power move and spin move inside so effectively. Without it, he is just a former elite Pass rusher who no longer provides the worth in that department to justify his lack of scheme responsibility.

Abraham is very similar, but he at least has a little value of keeping some gap integrity in the way he plays. Freeney is freelancer, who no longer justifies the risk. The Colts will be stronger schematically without him, and DEN would not be better with him IMHO.

I would be shocked if DEN signed Freeney based on that, the only reason would be to have a Situational pass rusher hopefully. And even there, well, he no longer excels and is worn down physically.
What do you think would be our best bet then Med? Do you think Kyle Vandenbosch has anything left in the tank?
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What do you think would be our best bet then Med? Do you think Kyle Vandenbosch has anything left in the tank?
I would be fine with Abraham at the right price. By all indications he is at least a solid Pro and does not freelance as much as freeney. Vandenbosch is nowhere near where he was in TEN. Ayers or Jackson need those reps, more than a Vandenbosch.

I would prefer getting a stud DT like Jesse Williams in the draft earlier and then a PRS or pass rush specialist like Trevardo Williams out of UCONN later. "Tank" Carradine or Brandon Jenkins might not be viable options for this season, but I would not frown on either of them if they are medically ahead of schedule and could be ready by TC.

Also, I am a HUGE Malik Jackson fan. Kid has a solid game as an Outside pass rusher and played severely underweight at TEN and at DT to help an injury ridden position. I would like to see him drop 15 lbs and get explosive from the new workout system and see what he has. Kid had great tape outside and he hustles just as much as the meth man....

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I would be fine with Abraham at the right price. By all indications he is at least a solid Pro and does not freelance as much as freeney. Vandenbosch is nowhere near where he was in TEN. Ayers or Jackson need those reps, more than a Vandenbosch.

I would prefer getting a stud DT like Jesse Williams in the draft earlier and then a PRS or pass rush specialist like Trevardo Williams out of UCONN later. "Tank" Carradine or Brandon Jenkins might not be viable options for this season, but I would not frown on either of them if they are medically ahead of schedule and could be ready by TC.

Also, I am a HUGE Malik Jackson fan. Kid has a solid game as an Outside pass rusher and played severely underweight at TEN and at DT to help an injury ridden position. I would like to see him drop 15 lbs and get explosive from the new workout system and see what he has. Kid had great tape outside and he hustles just as much as the meth man....
I couldn't agree more I think Malik Jackson has huge upside with proper coaching, he had several plays this past season in preseason and also during the season in situational play where I was left shocked with how he got that position on the offensive lineman
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