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Old 03-24-2013, 07:02 PM   #176
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Freeny is washed up. I think Urlacher has a good season left in him. PLUS: I feel there is quality depth at MLB in Irving and Johnson if Urlacher does not make it.
One of the two players made it to the end of the season last year. I'll let you figure this one out on your own.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:04 PM   #177
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Phillips, Freeney, Abraham are all flawed players at this stage in their careers. I just don't want to bet on the pony that's the longest in the tooth.
I don't suppose Cliff Avril is still available at that ridiculously low price?

If we'd pushed the time frame a bit, we might've had a chance at Avril or somebody like him, might've actually gotten better.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:07 PM   #178
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I don't suppose Cliff Avril is still available at that ridiculously low price?

If we'd pushed the time frame a bit, we might've had a chance at Avril or somebody like him, might've actually gotten better.
Avril sucks. The dude had Suh and Farley in the middle and put up 10 sacks. Weak sauce.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:22 PM   #179
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Sign Dansby and call Ray Edwards and see if wants to play football instead of fake boxing. He would be cheap.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:24 PM   #180
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Sign Dansby and call Ray Edwards and see if wants to play football instead of fake boxing. He would be cheap.
Dansby should already be a Bronco. I think Idonije would be a cheap quality signing too.
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Dansby should already be a Bronco. I think Idonije would be a cheap quality signing too.
Bring all three in!!!
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:40 PM   #182
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Can't believe the Broncos couldn't match $7M per year.
Where do you get $7 million? He got $8.5.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:42 PM   #183
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Where do you get $7 million? He got $8.5.
I just saw something about $12 mill guaranteed.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:56 PM   #184
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one dude don't stop no show.

hey doom, go **** yourself.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:59 PM   #185
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one dude don't stop no show.

hey doom, go **** yourself.
One dude does. Different position though.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:09 PM   #186
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Where do you get $7 million? He got $8.5.
he got 8.5 in the first year with a 2.5 cap hit. if he reaches all the incentives and etc he'll still only get 6.6 mil per after the first year.
which is still a lot less than he would have gotten by taking the pay cut.
i don't blame him for getting the contract when he can as this is likely his last big money deal.

but it basically proved that Elway was right about his market value.
it also proved Mag is a buffoon.
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Avril sucks. The dude had Suh and Farley in the middle and put up 10 sacks. Weak sauce.
it's the Lions. that staff is so dumb him putting up 10 is like putting up 18 on another team.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:33 PM   #188
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So out of 123 MM + Denver is force to draft for need in the first round and jepordize the future all for $4MM in cap room.


Rober Ayers is a first round pick at #18 overall and I guess he's not the answer but a DE at #28 is.

Not buying it. Need is a terrible talent evaluator no matter the circumstance.
The next time Ayers gets 4+ sacks in a year would be the first time (college or pro). He is NOT a pass-rusher.

So yeah, the Broncos are going to need an elite pass rusher at RDE. And no, I'm not interested in any old, over-priced players that nobody wants, but are still trying to make $10M. Give me a 1st round pass-rusher, who gets 10+ sacks for 2 years in college and 50+ tackles. Anything less makes the Broncos worse.
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The next time Ayers gets 4+ sacks in a year would be the first time (college or pro). He is NOT a pass-rusher.

So yeah, the Broncos are going to need an elite pass rusher at RDE. And no, I'm not interested in any old, over-priced players that nobody wants, but are still trying to make $10M. Give me a 1st round pass-rusher, who gets 10+ sacks for 2 years in college and 50+ tackles. Anything less makes the Broncos worse.
You are not going to get that production in the pros at pick 28. It's time to just accept the loss isn't going to be replaced this year.
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that is a lie. plus... you think the Ravens care? They finally have someone that can rush the passer outside of Suggs. They showed more interest and effort in signing Doom that the one they showed for signing Kruger. That should tell you all you need to know about what they value more.
Courtney Upshaw - LB - Ravens
The Ravens are expected to use 2012 second-round pick Courtney Upshaw at outside linebacker on running downs in his second year.
With Elvis Dumervil and Terrell Suggs as the pass-rush specialists, the Ravens will be able to field a scary three-way outside 'backer rotation that keeps the trio fresh and productive. Upshaw was one of the better edge-setting, run-defending 3-4 linebackers in football last season. Suggs is also a strong run defender, so look for Dumervil and Upshaw to rotate in and out the most.

Like I said Doom is going to be sitting out more then he ever did in Denver.
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they aren't forced to do anything in the 1st round of the draft, and how would signing either of those guys be a waste of cap space?
$4M per year for an old situational pass-rusher who's used to playing in a dome on turf? One of them (Freeney) get's like 20 tackles per year, the other (Abraham) snubbed Denver the 1st time. No thanks.
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Courtney Upshaw - LB - Ravens
The Ravens are expected to use 2012 second-round pick Courtney Upshaw at outside linebacker on running downs in his second year.
With Elvis Dumervil and Terrell Suggs as the pass-rush specialists, the Ravens will be able to field a scary three-way outside 'backer rotation that keeps the trio fresh and productive. Upshaw was one of the better edge-setting, run-defending 3-4 linebackers in football last season. Suggs is also a strong run defender, so look for Dumervil and Upshaw to rotate in and out the most.

Like I said Doom is going to be sitting out more then he ever did in Denver.
Don't think he'll complain. His weakness is run defense. So he'll just be in when he gets to pin his ears back.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:49 PM   #193
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Now the Broncos will be forced to draft the best DE at #28:

Damontre Moore
Alex Okafor
I sure hope that's not their attitude. Neither of those players are good value at #28. I've been pleased that Elway and co. have seemed to stick with a BPA philosophy in their drafts so far, and I hope that continues. The only way I see DE as a good value in at #28 is if Werner somehow falls into our lap, but that's not likely.
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Don't think he'll complain. His weakness is run defense. So he'll just be in when he gets to pin his ears back.
I agree with you his weakness is run defense. Heyneck kept telling me that was a lie though.
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You are not going to get that production in the pros at pick 28. It's time to just accept the loss isn't going to be replaced this year.
The new Orange Crush was primarily successful because of the pass-rush. Without that, the Broncos Defense crumbles. They need an elite pass-rushing speed-guy, with lots of moves, and they need it fast. Time is ticking.

This team won't be going anywhere without it. They'll never find another Dumervil. It's a shame the Ravens get him for cheap. **** McDaniels, **** Dumervil, and **** the Ravens.
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I sure hope that's not their attitude. Neither of those players are good value at #28. I've been pleased that Elway and co. have seemed to stick with a BPA philosophy in their drafts so far, and I hope that continues. The only way I see DE as a good value in at #28 is if Werner somehow falls into our lap, but that's not likely.
You've got to be kidding me. Damontre Moore is one of the ONLY players in this draft that could come remotely close to replacing Dumervil. Werner would be okay, but not great.

If either one of those players are available at #28 (which they won't be), they would be the BPA BY FAR. None of the other players who will be available at #28 are that great.
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The new Orange Crush was primarily successful because of the pass-rush. Without that, the Broncos Defense crumbles. They need an elite pass-rushing speed-guy, with lots of moves, and they need it fast. Time is ticking.

This team won't be going anywhere without it. They'll never find another Dumervil. It's a shame the Ravens get him for cheap. **** McDaniels, **** Dumervil, and **** the Ravens.
I feel ya. Striking gold in the 4th round doesn't happen much. What's even more scary is no doom on the line, coupled with a hole at MLB. Dansby would ease the pain. Have no idea why they aren't even looking that way. Irving mays and Johnson? That's laughable now that the line just got weak.
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You've got to be kidding me. Damontre Moore is one of the ONLY players in this draft that could come remotely close to replacing Dumervil. Werner would be okay, but not great.

If either one of those players are available at #28 (which they won't be), they would be the BPA BY FAR. None of the other players who will be available at #28 are that great.
You're wrong. Moore's not going in the 1st round. Character and work ethic questions, plus he did not test as well athletically as an undersized 250 pound DE needs to. NO ONE is taking him in the 1st. If he's there in the 2nd, fine, but he's not good value at #28. If the values not good at #28, trade down. Down reach for need.
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I'm pretty sure Trent Cole will be cut jun 1st...
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The new Orange Crush was primarily successful because of the pass-rush. Without that, the Broncos Defense crumbles. They need an elite pass-rushing speed-guy, with lots of moves, and they need it fast. Time is ticking.

This team won't be going anywhere without it. They'll never find another Dumervil. It's a shame the Ravens get him for cheap. **** McDaniels, **** Dumervil, and **** the Ravens.
Dude, cut the Chicken Little act. Please. Does it suck to lose Doom? Sure. But the team isn't going to fall apart without him. He's not Reggie White. We're still one of the Super Bowl favorites.
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