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Old 03-24-2013, 03:04 PM   #101
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You know if he doesn't want to be apart of a championship run.......good riddance! Denver made the right decision and he has started to act like a knuckle head. Don't get wrong he's a great player but if he doesn't want to be here....whatever,,,
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:07 PM   #102
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Watch Doom suck and Ravens suck and they cut him following next year.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:07 PM   #103
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It looks like the Broncos will draft a RB, a DE and a CB in the first three rounds. Frankly, I am not unhappy to see this development.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:10 PM   #104
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Did read that on IAOFM?
This is something that anyone who follows the NFL knows. Newsome and DeCosta are top notch.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:13 PM   #105
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Meh. We probably can't replace 100% of his production, but I bet Freeney + Ayers + whomever else can get close enough.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:14 PM   #106
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This is something that anyone who follows the NFL knows. Newsome and DeCosta are top notch.
Eh, doesn't mean everything they touch turns to gold either. I personally dont understand this move for them. They cut like half their team and signed a guy to a backloaded contract that won't be an every down player
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It's a big loss. Double digit sacks are not easily replaced. Hopefully we can mitigate the damage with a replacement...but it will be hard to completely fill his shoes. Thanks for all your production here Doom...much appreciated.
Doom was an asset, no question SoCal, but I think you are overestimating how terrbily hard it will be to 'mitigate' his absence.

Doom was never the same after his torn pec ,, good but no longer dominant. He could turn it on in spurts but got stonewalled a lot as well, even with Von taking most of the heat the last two years, particularly later in the seasons.

hes good for a couple monster games a year and the rest was more decent but not outstanding. I always expected more out of Doom than we got with Von taking so much heat off of him.

Yes, he had 11 sacks last year and definitely was a big help, I'm not questioning that at all, but either Abraham or Freeney are more than capable of that kind of production in a top tier defense with either one of those guys playing with their hand in the dirt and not at OLB as Freeney had too last year, and most of all with Wolfe and our substantially outsized middle now pushing the interior pocket as well.

Neither Abraham nor Freeney will draw any double teams with Von roaming freely along the line and they both have been the major target of opposing offense's defense against the past rush their entire careers.

Now, which ever of those guys we bring in, and for now it sounds like Abraham is first up as most likely to come on board, they will have more freedom and less pressure than ever in their careers!

Even now in the twilight of their football, they both are more than capable of 11+ sacks in such a scenario. Odds are too we pick up a potential stud DE pass rusher too in the draft to rotate with Abraham/Freeney/Ayers/Beal ( don't underestimate a year 3 Beal!) and even Malik.

We have options and with more push in the center of the D line and hopefully at MLB as well, we should be more than Okay in our quarterback pressure the next few years.

This could well be a win for us all around, getting rid of a disgruntled Doom and having more money to get creative as well. Time will tell.

My question for Doom is, "do you really think you are a long range answer in Baltimore when they used a #35 pick on Upshaw last year and with Suggs on the other side??"

Doom will be a 3rd down specialist at best until Upshaw proves to be the better overall 3 down DE, then Doom is a back up...a good one no doubt .. but a back up nonetheless.

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Old 03-24-2013, 03:18 PM   #108
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Wont be Abraham we're already finalizing the deal for Freeney.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:18 PM   #109
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This is something that anyone who follows the NFL knows. Newsome and DeCosta are top notch.
Sorry I think they have done anything impressive at all this off season. The Flacco deal wasn't even the worst thing they did this off-season either. Trade a player to the first team you call for a 6th round pick is terrible.
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Actions speak louder than words. If Dumervil was such a lynchpin of the Broncos defense, they wouldnt have let him get away. No way in hell.

He's real good, but there's only two guys that we CANNOT afford to lose. Von Miller and Peyton Manning. As long as they suit up, I feel fine.
If a Miller were in this position, Elway would have sold a Kidney to lock him up remain a Bronco... There is no doubt Doom will be missed, he was an excellent Defensive player... But he was not Franchise, he can be replaced with someone that will get pressure on the QB....

Hey look, you don't wanna be part of my club?? Fine, I understand that, but your wrong and we now hate you....

Meh, not really... Bu you get the point
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:20 PM   #111
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Sign Abraham..............better all around player than Doom was.........win now !
Lol. Facepalm. That must be the reason we are moving forward to signing Freeney.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:22 PM   #112
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Sorry I think they have done anything impressive at all this off season. The Flacco deal wasn't even the worst thing they did this off-season either. Trade a player to the first team you call for a 6th round pick is terrible.
Could be worse. Could've done that during Week 6 of a playoff season with the team's best receiver.
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Doom was an asset, no question SoCal, but I think you are overestimating how terrbily hard it will be to 'mitigate' his absence.

Doom was never the same after his torn pec ,, good but no longer dominant. He could turn it on in spurts but got stonewalled a lot as well, even with Von taking most of the heat the last two years, particularly later in the seasons.

hes good for a couple monster games a year and the rest was more decent but not outstanding. I always expected more out of Doom than we got with Von taking so much heat off of him.

Yes, he had 11 sacks last year and definitely was a big help, I'm not questioning that at all, but either Abraham or Freeney are more than capable of that kind of production in a top tier defense with either one of those guys playing with their hand in the dirt and not at OLB as Freeney had too last year, and most of all with Wolfe and our substantially outsized middle now pushing the interior pocket as well.

Neither Abraham nor Freeney will draw any double teams with Von roaming freely along the line and they both have been the major target of opposing offense's defense against the past rush their entire careers.

Now, which ever of those guys we bring in, and for now it sounds like Abraham is first up as most likely to come on board, they will have more freedom and less pressure than ever in their careers!

Even now in the twilight of their football, they both are more than capable of 11+ sacks in such a scenario. Odds are too we pick up a potential stud DE pass rusher too in the draft to rotate with Abraham/Freeney/Ayers/Beal ( don't underestimate a year 3 Beal!) and even Malik.

We have options and with more push in the center of the D line and hopefully at MLB as well, we should be more than Okay in our quarterback pressure the next few years.

This could well be a win for us all around, getting rid of a disgruntled Doom and having more money to get creative as well. Time will tell.

My question for Doom is, "do you really think you are a long range answer in Baltimore when they used a #35 pick on Upshaw last year and with Suggs on the other side??"

Doom will be a 3rd down specialist at best until Upshaw proves to be the better overall 3 down DE, then Doom is a back up...a good one no doubt .. but a back up nonetheless.
People overrate Freeney badly, he hasn't had 11 sacks in a season in years. He only ever had his speed and it is gone. Even lined up wide he couldn't generate pressure, in the 4-3 lining up on the offensive tackle he will get shut out almost completely, add to that is just as much if not more of a liability against the run than Dumervil.

The only reason, the absolutely ONLY reason, to sign Freeney is because he will play for minimum or close to minimum wage and it opens up money for another position.

The 2nd problem now is that the top round picks which we could have used to get a starting MLB, a rotation DT and a RB will now get **** on as we might look to add a DE from one of the weakest pass rushing classes in the last 10 years - it rivals last years draft in terms of ****tyness.

Best case scenario right now is that we can get Abraham for 3 or 4 million at most, not waste a draft pick on a useless stiff this year, get through the season win a Lombardi and then trade up like mad next year to grab one of the good pass rushers.
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I don't mind Freeney, he had terrible circumstances the last two years that artificially suppressed his raw stat numbers. And last year he was stuck as a 3-4 OLB he had never played before and that is not his thing. He also missed two games and was hampered and slowed down in at least three others from the same injury and still had 5 sacks to go with the 8.5 sacks the year before on one of the suckiest Manning-less Indy teams in many years.

That 2011 defense was constantly fagged out all year from all the three and outs of Indy's 2011 offense and most teams ran the ball down their throats with a lead in the second half that year limiting Freeney's sack potential and he still had 8.5 sacks under dire conditions for a sack specialist.

On a SB contender again with his man Manning at QB and our defense with Von too taking so much heat off of him, I would expect to see a rejuvenated and highly motivated Freeney like more of the 2008 through 2010 Freeney, or better, and we will be just fine with that production from him, if he is the guy we nab.

I trust Elway, Fox and JDR on this call.

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Old 03-24-2013, 03:32 PM   #115
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People overrate Freeney badly, he hasn't had 11 sacks in a season in years. He only ever had his speed and it is gone. Even lined up wide he couldn't generate pressure, in the 4-3 lining up on the offensive tackle he will get shut out almost completely, add to that is just as much if not more of a liability against the run than Dumervil.

The only reason, the absolutely ONLY reason, to sign Freeney is because he will play for minimum or close to minimum wage and it opens up money for another position.

The 2nd problem now is that the top round picks which we could have used to get a starting MLB, a rotation DT and a RB will now get **** on as we might look to add a DE from one of the weakest pass rushing classes in the last 10 years - it rivals last years draft in terms of ****tyness.

Best case scenario right now is that we can get Abraham for 3 or 4 million at most, not waste a draft pick on a useless stiff this year, get through the season win a Lombardi and then trade up like mad next year to grab one of the good pass rushers.
As said in another thread, I don't think this changes the draft plan because I don't think Doom was long for this team no matter what. A pass rusher may always have been in the plans. I can't speak for Freeney, I'm not going to pretend I've watched a bunch of Colts games, and the ones I have I wasn't paying attention to him, but I will trust Del Rio/Fox on this one. Also, Freeney will not be asked to start, nor will he command many double teams, so as a pass rushing specialist, I think he'll do fine.

Regardless, this isnt the difference between the broncos winning and losing the super bowl.

Plus, as you said, we'll see who else we signed with the freed up money.

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Old 03-24-2013, 03:36 PM   #116
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Damn mcd sure blew up the 06 draft

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Old 03-24-2013, 03:38 PM   #117
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3 years 37.5 million does not buy the loyalty it used to. Dumervil rolls out over peanuts when we gave him monster paydays.

The improvements of our rookies will take up the slack.

Plus if our Offense stays on the same trajectory we could be the 98's revisited.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:41 PM   #118
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Lol. Facepalm. That must be the reason we are moving forward to signing Freeney.
Tell me more your knowledge of us moving to sign Freeney, I would like to see the link please.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:42 PM   #119
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I'm conflicted on this one.. Replacing Doom with Freeney means an even bigger liability against the run and or predictability if he comes in.. I'd rather start Ayers and draft a DE to compete for situational downs and save the money.

But I wouldn't be opposed to Abraham who's better against the run and doesn't have the same predictability and vulnerability as Freeney.

But Idonije still intrigues me, he's a better version of Ayers. He had 3.5 less sacks than Doom last year and played 300 fewer snaps.

I also like Phillips and even Harrison who are both better against the run and accomplished pass rushers..

I would rather look to Abraham, Idonije, Phillips, or Harrison, if going the FA route. And would prefer upgrade in the draft and give Ayers base down work.. Otherwise we need a more balanced veteran..
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Doom was a great player for us.

We'll definitely miss his production, unless it's late in the season or in the playoffs when he's worn down.

Bring on Freeney or Shaun Phillips.
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Good **** that Miami b****!!







Seriously though, I think we might actually be better without him, depending on what Elway replaces him with. The replacements might give JDR the ability to get more creative with his defense.
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It's a big loss. Double digit sacks are not easily replaced. Hopefully we can mitigate the damage with a replacement...but it will be hard to completely fill his shoes. Thanks for all your production here Doom...much appreciated.
Yippee ki-yay mother ****er! I'm pretty sure we will be able to replace his production.... hell if the new guy can make 1 tackle against the run or not jump offsides he's already done that
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Doom was a great player for us.

We'll definitely miss his production, unless it's late in the season or in the playoffs when he's worn down.

Bring on Freeney or Shaun Phillips.
I'm shocked to see you want Freeney, I thought you would have agreed with my post one above yours..
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People overrate Freeney badly, he hasn't had 11 sacks in a season in years. He only ever had his speed and it is gone. Even lined up wide he couldn't generate pressure, in the 4-3 lining up on the offensive tackle he will get shut out almost completely, add to that is just as much if not more of a liability against the run than Dumervil.

The only reason, the absolutely ONLY reason, to sign Freeney is because he will play for minimum or close to minimum wage and it opens up money for another position.

The 2nd problem now is that the top round picks which we could have used to get a starting MLB, a rotation DT and a RB will now get **** on as we might look to add a DE from one of the weakest pass rushing classes in the last 10 years - it rivals last years draft in terms of ****tyness.

Best case scenario right now is that we can get Abraham for 3 or 4 million at most, not waste a draft pick on a useless stiff this year, get through the season win a Lombardi and then trade up like mad next year to grab one of the good pass rushers.
I think your are short changing Freeney glydenlove , look closely at not just his stats but the last 6 seasons he has played and you will see the last two unfairly deflated his apparent value and production capability.

Your second concern is the real one I share and is the main fallout from this unfortunate scenario with Doom. But I am much less concerned about losing Dooms production.

Overall, we are going to have a superior defense and for sure a superior offense compared to the ones we had last year as it is, even without Doom. With him would have made that even more so with the added consistency, but I definitely didn't want a butt hurt vindictive Doom on this team.

If he was going to take the whole screw up that he largely orchestrated with his agent the way he did, then I'm more than happy he's long gone now. We'll be fine.
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