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Old 03-25-2013, 02:37 PM   #2426
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They are projecting 4 QBs taken in the top 10, that's the point. This year they are trying to justify 1 QB taken in the top 10. This year is not only weak at the QB position, it's extremely weak. It's almost a anomoly for how bad the QBs are, like once in 10 years bad.

Last year was a once and 10 years high, this year it's just the opposite. Congrats, loser.
You do realize that a QB is not the best player in next years draft right? Hell they might not be the 2nd or even 3rd best.

Marquise Lee and Jadeveon Clowney are the best talents in the draft next year. And you could make a great argument that Jake Mathews is the 3rd best talent.

Btw tell Elway thanks for letting your 2nd best pass rusher go and getting nothing in return. Now teams are only afraid of Von, but will double team him. Thanks John!

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Old 03-25-2013, 02:42 PM   #2427
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You do realize that a QB is not the best player in next years draft right? Hell they might not be the 2nd or even 3rd best.

Marquise Lee and Jadeveon Clowney are the best talents in the draft next year. And you could make a great argument that Jake Mathews is the 3rd best talent.

Btw tell Elway thanks for letting your 2nd best pass rusher go and getting nothing in return. Now teams are only afraid of Von, but will double team him. Thanks John!
I guess we will see...
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:21 PM   #2428
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Looks like Albert is a ne show at kFc voluntary workouts.

But hurt about being shopped, sounds like he thinks kFc is going to draft a LT and then trade his ass.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ntary-workouts
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Looks like Albert is a ne show at kFc voluntary workouts.

But hurt about being shopped, sounds like he thinks kFc is going to draft a LT and then trade his ass.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ntary-workouts
Albert knows that if kc drafts a LT they will move Albert to RT either right away or after the 2013 season. Albert knows LT is the money position so he absolutely does not want to move to RT. I really believe kc wants to trade Albert desperately. Problem is, this is a top heavy draft for tackles and the strength of this draft is in rounds 2-4 so not many teams are gonna want to part with their second round pick...

I'm guessing kc drafts a LT with their first if they can't trade down...
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Old 04-01-2013, 09:54 PM   #2430
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I don't understand KC's plan if they go with Joeckel.

Draft Joeckel #1, pay Albert franchise money this year then let him walk next year? What's the point in that? This team is not on the cusp of a Super Bowl.

Trading away picks for Alex Smith? Signing KC is spinning their wheels big time.

Their best bet is to trade Albert but his trade value stinks right now. But it would be better to get something for him at least.
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I don't understand KC's plan if they go with Joeckel.

Draft Joeckel #1, pay Albert franchise money this year then let him walk next year? What's the point in that? This team is not on the cusp of a Super Bowl.

Trading away picks for Alex Smith? Signing KC is spinning their wheels big time.

Their best bet is to trade Albert but his trade value stinks right now. But it would be better to get something for him at least.
Nobody does. Well, expect for desperate dumpster fire franchises in small markets with gullible fan bases.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:07 PM   #2432
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I don't understand KC's plan if they go with Joeckel.

Draft Joeckel #1, pay Albert franchise money this year then let him walk next year? What's the point in that? This team is not on the cusp of a Super Bowl.

Trading away picks for Alex Smith? Signing KC is spinning their wheels big time.

Their best bet is to trade Albert but his trade value stinks right now. But it would be better to get something for him at least.
It is being speculated that Branden Albert's back problems could be worse than perceived, but I'm not so sure that's true.

Albert has also been injured and missed games 4 of his 5 seasons and has never made a pro bowl, so does he really deserve big money?

NFL Network said that the Chiefs have 3 players who they are deciding on to make the pick: Joeckel, Fisher and Jordan.

I think the best plan is to keep Albert and draft Jordan. I really like his potential.
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kc's plan is to trade Albert and recoup that #2 pick. But if they can't do this (there's still a few weeks before the draft) then they will take a tackle regardless. Albert is a good tackle and if he'd agree to move to the right side then kc would probably keep him. They'd then have a stud LT and a stud RT. But Albert has stated he's not playing RT and this is a smart move on his part because LT is where the money is at.

The idiot move by kc was giving up those draft picks for Alex Smith. That's where the turd was layed. If I was kc I would have offered a 4th round pick, maybe a 3rd at most for Alex Smith. If SF said no, then I would have brought in Matt Moore and then maybe drafted Barkley in the second round or another QB, whatever.
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The idiot move by kc was giving up those draft picks for Alex Smith. That's where the turd was layed. If I was kc I would have offered a 4th round pick, maybe a 3rd at most for Alex Smith. If SF said no, then I would have brought in Matt Moore and then maybe drafted Barkley in the second round or another QB, whatever.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

They fell in love with the fact that Smith was in the NFC Championship game the year before just as they fell in love with Grrrback, Bono, Montana in the past.

They gave up a lot for a short armed QB who proved he needs a full team around him to succeed.
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Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

They fell in love with the fact that Smith was in the NFC Championship game the year before just as they fell in love with Grrrback, Bono, Montana in the past.

They gave up a lot for a short armed QB who proved he needs a full team around him to succeed.
I would normally agree with this, but not this year. Alex Smith was the best QB available this year and it really isn't close. These QB's in the draft are arguably the worst class in 10 years.

I mean, what does it say when teams with the 1st, 3rd, 7th and 8th pick that desperately need a QB in the draft acquire veteran QB right before the draft?

It was reported that Oakland came in at the last minute and drove up the price for Alex Smith. On KC radio they said that we had originally offered a 3rd for him. A 2nd is the going rate for a QB though.

I think Reid recognized that we have some solid football players on the team like Bowe, Charles, Albert, Flowers, DJ, Tamba, Houston, Berry, Colquitt and a few other pieces that have some potential but we don't know what they are because of coaching.

We didn't give Alex Smith an extension, so it's widely believed that we will see how he does now and if he doesn't succeed, he will be replaced. Reid thinks this team is a team that can make the playoffs with better coaching this year. He mentioned that we were very close in 2011 and the pieces are still here.

We'll see though. I think the Chiefs will be in the playoff race this next season. Doesn't mean they'll get in, but they'll be in the discussion. I think a record around 8-8 is a fair expectation for this year.
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I would normally agree with this, but not this year. Alex Smith was the best QB available this year and it really isn't close. These QB's in the draft are arguably the worst class in 10 years.

I mean, what does it say when teams with the 1st, 3rd, 7th and 8th pick that desperately need a QB in the draft acquire veteran QB right before the draft?

It was reported that Oakland came in at the last minute and drove up the price for Alex Smith. On KC radio they said that we had originally offered a 3rd for him. A 2nd is the going rate for a QB though.

I think Reid recognized that we have some solid football players on the team like Bowe, Charles, Albert, Flowers, DJ, Tamba, Houston, Berry, Colquitt and a few other pieces that have some potential but we don't know what they are because of coaching.

We didn't give Alex Smith an extension, so it's widely believed that we will see how he does now and if he doesn't succeed, he will be replaced. Reid thinks this team is a team that can make the playoffs with better coaching this year. He mentioned that we were very close in 2011 and the pieces are still here.

We'll see though. I think the Chiefs will be in the playoff race this next season. Doesn't mean they'll get in, but they'll be in the discussion. I think a record around 8-8 is a fair expectation for this year.
Funny how Geno was being pimped during the season as a legit playoff contending QB who could come in and make kFc competitive right away.

Smith being the best available isn't saying much. Just look at his stats before he had a quality team built around him. I think you got the next Matt Cassel, not Joe Montana.
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I would normally agree with this, but not this year. Alex Smith was the best QB available this year and it really isn't close. These QB's in the draft are arguably the worst class in 10 years.

I mean, what does it say when teams with the 1st, 3rd, 7th and 8th pick that desperately need a QB in the draft acquire veteran QB right before the draft?

It was reported that Oakland came in at the last minute and drove up the price for Alex Smith. On KC radio they said that we had originally offered a 3rd for him. A 2nd is the going rate for a QB though.

I think Reid recognized that we have some solid football players on the team like Bowe, Charles, Albert, Flowers, DJ, Tamba, Houston, Berry, Colquitt and a few other pieces that have some potential but we don't know what they are because of coaching.

We didn't give Alex Smith an extension, so it's widely believed that we will see how he does now and if he doesn't succeed, he will be replaced. Reid thinks this team is a team that can make the playoffs with better coaching this year. He mentioned that we were very close in 2011 and the pieces are still here.

We'll see though. I think the Chiefs will be in the playoff race this next season. Doesn't mean they'll get in, but they'll be in the discussion. I think a record around 8-8 is a fair expectation for this year.
So the Chiefs are giving up a 2nd and another 2nd or 3rd for a two year rental?

How Raider-esque of them to do that.

Are Chief fans really happy with this? Yes, Alex Smith gives them a chance to win a few more games. But why shoot for 8-8 (even that is high expectations IMO) when you can roll the dice and go for a franchise QB? Look at the quarterbacks the Chiefs have missed out in the past few years especially because they were content with Cassel or Brodie Croyle.
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So the Chiefs are giving up a 2nd and another 2nd or 3rd for a two year rental?

How Raider-esque of them to do that.

Are Chief fans really happy with this? Yes, Alex Smith gives them a chance to win a few more games. But why shoot for 8-8 (even that is high expectations IMO) when you can roll the dice and go for a franchise QB? Look at the quarterbacks the Chiefs have missed out in the past few years especially because they were content with Cassel or Brodie Croyle.
kFc needs to take a QB at some point to groom and to be a backup to Smith. They are paying Daniel a lot of money considering he only has 7 passes in 3 years. Is an undrafted kid getting $3.333.333 mill a year going to take over or compete with AS?

If kFc was smart and one of these under whelming QB's were around in the 2nd round they should pull the trig...oh wait they don't have a 2nd round pick...

A. Smith, Ricky Stanzi, Chase Daniel are the QBOTF in kFc

Now that Albert is franchised, they just can't cut him without taking a Cap hit right? They kinda dug themselves into a hole.
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kFc gets to start their new regime with

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They better hope the worst record gives them a bigger break in the RS.
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So the Chiefs are giving up a 2nd and another 2nd or 3rd for a two year rental?

How Raider-esque of them to do that.

Are Chief fans really happy with this? Yes, Alex Smith gives them a chance to win a few more games. But why shoot for 8-8 (even that is high expectations IMO) when you can roll the dice and go for a franchise QB? Look at the quarterbacks the Chiefs have missed out in the past few years especially because they were content with Cassel or Brodie Croyle.
While true, that's not on this regime since they weren't here before this year. Alex Smith fits our system fairly well and Andy Reid has always liked him.

I will trust Andy Reid here with his history of the QB position.

But it does say a lot that NFL personnel are not impressed with this class.

I would like to see them draft a QB high in the next year or two and keep Alex Smith around in the mean time.

Alex Smith signing is like Jake Plummer to the Broncos IMO. Same kind of move with the same kind of feel. Good QB coach getting an average QB to fit his system.
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While true, that's not on this regime since they weren't here before this year. Alex Smith fits our system fairly well and Andy Reid has always liked him.

I will trust Andy Reid here with his history of the QB position.

But it does say a lot that NFL personnel are not impressed with this class.

I would like to see them draft a QB high in the next year or two and keep Alex Smith around in the mean time.

Alex Smith signing is like Jake Plummer to the Broncos IMO. Same kind of move with the same kind of feel. Good QB coach getting an average QB to fit his system.
But Jake came into a team that had the pieces already in place around him. Alex has Charles and one career avg to below avg WR behind no OL to speak of and a D filled with one trick pony's.
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I think they'll have a good offensive line after the draft. Other then Bowe, receivers are still weak though. Definitely not a believer in their secondary. I could see Alex Smith having a Jake Plummer type value for the Chiefs. I'm sure most Chief fans would be satisfied with Smith if he led KC to multiple playoff births, and a trip to the AFC Championship game.
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I'm still scratching my head as to why Reid thinks Alex Smith fits his type of throw heavy offense... my best guess is he will have to design his offense around Smith's strengths which means a conservative dink and dunk type of offense. Maybe Reid will run the ball more with Charles on the team and open up the passing lanes this way, who knows? It's all a mystery right now IMHO.
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But Jake came into a team that had the pieces already in place around him. Alex has Charles and one career avg to below avg WR behind no OL to speak of and a D filled with one trick pony's.
I didn't realize a WR that puts up 1,000 yard caliber seasons every year and is top 10 in touchdowns for WR's over the last 3 years with some of the worst QB's in the NFL is considered "average to below average".

Your hatred for the Chiefs blinds your reality.
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Nice job of using his 15 year statistical outlier to prove he is a top 10 receiver in terms of touchdowns. Lol. He has had 8 in the past 27 games. Lmfao.
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Nice job of using his 15 year statistical outlier to prove he is a top 10 receiver in terms of touchdowns. Lol. He has had 8 in the past 27 games. Lmfao.
Name 10 receivers you'd take over him.
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Megatron
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Julio Jones
Andre Johnson

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Yeah, that's probably it. I'd be very happy to have Bowe in Denver.
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Name 10 receivers you'd take over him.
Calvin Johnson
Andre Johnson
Brandon Marshall
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Julio Jones
Larry Fitzgerald
Roddy White
DeSean Jackson
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Greg Jennings
Mike Wallace
Anquane Boldin
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Calvin Johnson
Andre Johnson
Brandon Marshall
AJ Green
Julio Jones
Larry Fitzgerald
Roddy White
DeSean Jackson
Wes Welker
Steve Smith
Greg Jennings

Mike Wallace
Anquane Boldin

Demarius Thomas
Victor Cruz
Hakeem Nicks

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You said 10, I listed 17 other WRs that I'd possibly take before Bowe, depending on the situation. However, there are 10 WRs there, no question I'd take before Bowe.
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