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Old 03-14-2013, 01:49 PM   #126
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J. CYPRIEN if we stay at #28.
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Seriously though, he is the prototypical 4-3 DT that Del Rio Loves. Dude is nicknamed "monster" for a reason. He has tremendous stamina as well for an enormous man, which would be ideal in Mile high.

He would be an excellent complement to the pass rushers too, because he collapses the interior quite well wehn playing read and react like he did last year as a NT at ALA. Look at the 2011 ALA tape to see what he could be, not last year when he was miscast IMHO.
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:23 AM   #128
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After this whole Dumervile debacle, a DE might be in order. I've read that this draft is deep at D-line, and unless they re-sign Dumervile or somebody remotely close to his ability, teams will just double-triple up Miller and QB's could have all day in the pocket.

That's a little extreme, I know, but I don't think Ayers is even a ghostly replacement for Dumervile.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:22 AM   #129
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How about Margus Hunt if the broncos go DE at #28. Looks to me like a guy who can play the run and provide a pass rush (though not an elite pass rush). Even though he hasn't played the game for as long as others, I think he may provide the least bust potential out of the DE expected to be there at #28.
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Judging by our needs and players we have interviewed I think our draft goes like this...

1st Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame
2nd John Simon, DE, OSU
3rd Le'veon Bell, RB Michigan State (might trade up for him)
4th I see a remainder of these players Phillip Thomas, DB, Fresno State, Shawn Williams, DB, Georgia, T.J. McDonald, DB, USC
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So far we only have two draft classes to analyze how Elway and Fox are working together. The top picks (Von Miller, Derek Wolfe) were very productive, decorated players and team captains with great work ethic and intangibles. CB Johnthan Banks is a player that fits this description. 2012 Jim Thorpe Award, 1st Team All-SEC. Four-year starter, team captain. 16 interceptions (school record). From what I've read, he has great character and impressed in interviews (excellent football intelligence). Comparable to Richard Sherman in terms of size and speed. Great arm length (33 7/8") to play press coverage. I remember a video with Jack Del Rio on the field watching Mississippi State's Pro Day closely. If he wants to borrow the press scheme from Seattle, Banks is an interesting option.
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So far we only have two draft classes to analyze how Elway and Fox are working together. The top picks (Von Miller, Derek Wolfe) were very productive, decorated players and team captains with great work ethic and intangibles. CB Johnthan Banks is a player that fits this description. 2012 Jim Thorpe Award, 1st Team All-SEC. Four-year starter, team captain. 16 interceptions (school record). From what I've read, he has great character and impressed in interviews (excellent football intelligence). Comparable to Richard Sherman in terms of size and speed. Great arm length (33 7/8") to play press coverage. I remember a video with Jack Del Rio on the field watching Mississippi State's Pro Day closely. If he wants to borrow the press scheme from Seattle, Banks is an interesting option.
I was really starting to warm up to Banks before the Dumervil debacle. He has great size, coverage-ability, and is extremely physical. I would love him as SS...then the Broncos could have selected a playmaker like Sio Moore in the 2nd.

Now, unfortunately, I believe the Broncos are forced to take a dynamic 4-3 DE in the 1st. Guess we have to get used to getting schooled by TE's.
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Judging by our needs and players we have interviewed I think our draft goes like this...

1st Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame
2nd John Simon, DE, OSU
3rd Le'veon Bell, RB Michigan State (might trade up for him)
4th I see a remainder of these players Phillip Thomas, DB, Fresno State, Shawn Williams, DB, Georgia, T.J. McDonald, DB, USC
outside of Bell in the 3rd, yuck.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:15 AM   #135
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For those wanting to take a CB at some point, I'm just curious how they fit on the active roster? We'll carry 5 CBs, we already carry an extra secondary guy in Bruton just for special teams.

1. Champ Bailey
2. DRC
3. Chris Harris
4. Tony Carter
5. Omar Boldin

Whom is getting cut for a draft pick? The only way we take a CB is if it's in the 7th round and we think we can get them through to our PS.
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DRC is a one year contract, Carter was an ERFA and Harris is going to be due money at the end of this year anyways. I've been a fan of Tony Carter since his FSU days, but that doesn't mean he can't be upgraded upon and although Omar Bolden seems hungry, he didn't do anything last year to cement his status as a guy who can't be replaced on the roster.

Denver has Mike Adams, David Bruton, Rahim Moore and Quinton Carter at safety. That is just four guys there, with Duke Inenacho and Blake Gideon as PS fodder at S and Mario Butler being our reserve DB.

What happens if someone goes down? We just bring a guy like Gideon, Inenacho or Butler into the fold?

If there is any year to be looking for a guy at CB/DB to add to the team, it is this year. I look for us to get a versatile DB who can play multiple spots on the back end this year.
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The Broncos obviously can't afford to spend a high draft pick on a CB this year, nor would I want them to (with the addition of DRC). They simply don't have enough draft picks to fill all their roster holes, and to be pre-emptive about replacing Champ Bailey.

However, it was reported that they were trying to woo Antoine Winfield (a few days ago). If they land Winfield, I would fully expect him to replace Tony Carter, who has proven unreliable.
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Right. The Broncos can't afford to spend a pick on a CB this year considering their best player is almost done, three of them are out of contracts after this season and Omar Bolden has proven nothing. Logic strike.
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A 1st round CB could be as high as 2nd on the depth chart, playing opposite Bailey. DRC is not a sure thing as a starter, he has the talent but also the inconsistency and the Broncos will grind him and test his work ethic during camp. Tony Carter might not be a long-term answer, especially if Del Rio wants bigger CBs. Apparently, Chris Harris is ideally a nickel corner for the Broncos. Omar Bolden is a special teamer and I don't think his roster spot should be safe. Bailey will be an overpaid, 36-year old CB next year. It's not that I "want" a CB, but I'm not against one if he is the BPA. I can see a top CB prospect getting a lot of playing time.

EDIT: And more specifically, I think Johnthan Banks fits what Elway and Fox want from top draft prospects. I can see the connection. It does not mean they will consider a CB early in the draft.

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I still don't see the need for a CB.

Bailey still has a couple years left. Front office has said they don't see him moving any time soon. One bad game doesn't diminish a great season.

Harris is an ideal nickelback. I think everyone can see that.

Carter is an ideal 4th CB because of his man coverage skills. And the front office has talked him up since last offseason when he beat out Florence, he then went on to have a strong season. He's also our slot CB backup if Harris were to get injured.

Boldin is our backup return specialist as well as a developing outside CB the team is high on. They felt they had a steal in the 4th round with him. A special teams ace is ideal as your 5th CB, especially one that can develop.

DRC, we just paid 5 million to rent for a season. We probably told him the same thing we told Tracy Porter which is if you play well, we'll re-sign you. Theoretically, and since we're paying him 5 million, DRC is our 2nd starting CB.


That's 5 CBs. We are not going to carry 6. Will not happen since we carry Bruton as an extra special teams DB already. That means we have to cut somebody off our CB roster, which would almost have to be Tony Carter, whom the coaching staff raves about, and then we'd need our new CB to be slot capable in the event of a Harris injury.


I think our more likely route here is that we'll continue to rent a #2 CB for 5 million per year until we find one that delivers, and then we'll sign him long term and he'll eventually replace Champ. And the process will repeat. There's ALWAYS a #2 CB available on the market for 5 million per year. If we ever do NOT sign one prior to the draft, that's the year I think we can expect an early pick on a CB. That year is not this year.
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Right. The Broncos can't afford to spend a pick on a CB this year considering their best player is almost done, three of them are out of contracts after this season and Omar Bolden has proven nothing. Logic strike.
I didn't say they won't pick a CB. I said "the Broncos can't afford to spend a high draft pick on a CB". By "high", I mean 1st or 2nd round. Reading strike.

You've already said you think they will spend a high-draft pick on an MLB. You also said you wanted Tank Carradine in the 1st IIRC.

So, where do you planning on using a high-draft pick on a CB? The Broncos only have two picks in the first 2 rounds. Logic strike on you.
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For those wanting to take a CB at some point, I'm just curious how they fit on the active roster? We'll carry 5 CBs, we already carry an extra secondary guy in Bruton just for special teams.

1. Champ Bailey
2. DRC
3. Chris Harris
4. Tony Carter
5. Omar Boldin

Whom is getting cut for a draft pick? The only way we take a CB is if it's in the 7th round and we think we can get them through to our PS.
Probably Tony Carter if the Broncos draft a blue chip CB. Either that or move Champ to safety.
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I didn't say they won't pick a CB. I said "the Broncos can't afford to spend a high draft pick on a CB". By "high", I mean 1st or 2nd round. Reading strike.

You've already said you think they will spend a high-draft pick on an MLB. You also said you wanted Tank Carradine in the 1st IIRC.

So, where do you planning on using a high-draft pick on a CB? The Broncos only have two picks in the first 2 rounds. Logic strike on you.
There are plenty of players I would take in the first or second round. I also think that getting a corner in rounds three or four (in this class) would be fine.
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For those wanting to take a CB at some point, I'm just curious how they fit on the active roster? We'll carry 5 CBs, we already carry an extra secondary guy in Bruton just for special teams.

1. Champ Bailey
2. DRC
3. Chris Harris
4. Tony Carter
5. Omar Boldin

Whom is getting cut for a draft pick? The only way we take a CB is if it's in the 7th round and we think we can get them through to our PS.
At this point Champ is the only "lock" to make the team. The rest (expect Boldin) have shown the ability to be solid #2/nickle CB in the NFL, but if there is a corner sitting that at @28 that they feel has the potential to be a #1 corner there is a strong chance they will select him.
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I still don't see the need for a CB.

Bailey still has a couple years left. Front office has said they don't see him moving any time soon. One bad game doesn't diminish a great season.

Harris is an ideal nickelback. I think everyone can see that.

Carter is an ideal 4th CB because of his man coverage skills. And the front office has talked him up since last offseason when he beat out Florence, he then went on to have a strong season. He's also our slot CB backup if Harris were to get injured.

Boldin is our backup return specialist as well as a developing outside CB the team is high on. They felt they had a steal in the 4th round with him. A special teams ace is ideal as your 5th CB, especially one that can develop.

DRC, we just paid 5 million to rent for a season. We probably told him the same thing we told Tracy Porter which is if you play well, we'll re-sign you. Theoretically, and since we're paying him 5 million, DRC is our 2nd starting CB.


That's 5 CBs. We are not going to carry 6. Will not happen since we carry Bruton as an extra special teams DB already. That means we have to cut somebody off our CB roster, which would almost have to be Tony Carter, whom the coaching staff raves about, and then we'd need our new CB to be slot capable in the event of a Harris injury.


I think our more likely route here is that we'll continue to rent a #2 CB for 5 million per year until we find one that delivers, and then we'll sign him long term and he'll eventually replace Champ. And the process will repeat. There's ALWAYS a #2 CB available on the market for 5 million per year. If we ever do NOT sign one prior to the draft, that's the year I think we can expect an early pick on a CB. That year is not this year.
You know I always appreciate your input, but I think my thoughts on this are pretty clear. I wouldn't be surprised for them to nab a DB in this draft somewhere with their first four picks given the contract statuses of Tony Carter, Chris Harris and DRC after this year. While there might always be a bountiful # of #2 DB's available in free agency, I think the Broncos, as Elway has stated, would like to home grow and groom their own prospects. I think there are a lot of tremendous values at CB in this draft and in particular, good scheme fits for the Broncos through the Top 125 picks in this draft. I expect them do nab some sort of defender in the secondary. After what happened last post-season, I can't see how we don't. I don't think getting DRC negates seeking long term initiative at CB for the team.
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You know I always appreciate your input, but I think my thoughts on this are pretty clear. I wouldn't be surprised for them to nab a DB in this draft somewhere with their first four picks given the contract statuses of Tony Carter, Chris Harris and DRC after this year. While there might always be a bountiful # of #2 DB's available in free agency, I think the Broncos, as Elway has stated, would like to home grow and groom their own prospects. I think there are a lot of tremendous values at CB in this draft and in particular, good scheme fits for the Broncos through the Top 125 picks in this draft. I expect them do nab some sort of defender in the secondary. After what happened last post-season, I can't see how we don't. I don't think getting DRC negates seeking long term initiative at CB for the team.

Thoughts are crystal clear. I'm just trying to understand who you cut. I'm guessing it's Tony Carter even though the coaching staff appears to really like him and fits in nicely as a man corner that also backs up the slot.

If we cut him, we need another man corner that backs up the slot. Tyrann Matthieu would be such a player, but is that really a big upgrade? Carter played quite well for us last year. Seems like a lateral move. And Carter is an FSU guy, WTH?!!

The only thing I can guarantee is that we won't carry 6 CBs because we'll carry 5 Safeties with Bruton. Last year we went into the season with Moore and Leonhard at Free Safety, and Adams, Carter, and Bruton at SS. We had our 5 CBs as: Champ, Porter, Harris, Carter, and Boldin. When Porter got hurt, we didn't use another CB, we just relied more on Leonhard.

We're likely going to carry the same roster again, sub'ing in a rookie Safety for Leonhard in all likelihood as we prepare for Adams' departure next season.
I think we're all in agreement that we're going to draft a well-rounded Safety early in this draft. Top three rounds for sure. Maybe Reid or Cyprien in Round 1. Maybe a Thomas, Williams, Rambo, Jefferson, Swearinger, or McDonald in Rounds 2 or 3.

But unless we're cutting one of our five quality CBs, there's no room on our roster for another one.

I just can't imagine, for the life of me, that we cut Tony Carter or Omar Boldin. And since DRC's contract is guaranteed for this season, we're not going to cut him. I'm just not sure how we fit another CB on our roster even though I understand why you want to.
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MUG, I enjoy reading your thoughts on the DB situation, and I think that the talent that we have among our second tier CBs is an interesting conundrum when constructing the final roster.

However, IMO, your analysis overvalues Boldin. While Carter and Harris have already produced (and produced very well) for the Broncos on the field, Boldin really hasn't done much. He's been an ST player that occasionally gets reps on Defense, but by my estimation, hasn't done anything of note in either situation.

So if it came down to Boldin vs Carter, my own inclination would be to pick Carter over him. But of course there is the matter of a 4th round "investment" in Boldin, but to me, that draft status isn't high enough to preclude keeping the more proven player (in this case Carter) or drafting a blue-chip player in this year's draft. Of course, JFox and Co. don't make it easy to read the tea leaves since they are notorious about underplaying rookies and then unleashing them later on!
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MUG, I enjoy reading your thoughts on the DB situation, and I think that the talent that we have among our second tier CBs is an interesting conundrum when constructing the final roster.

However, IMO, your analysis overvalues Boldin. While Carter and Harris have already produced (and produced very well) for the Broncos on the field, Boldin really hasn't done much. He's been an ST player that occasionally gets reps on Defense, but by my estimation, hasn't done anything of note in either situation.

So if it came down to Boldin vs Carter, my own inclination would be to pick Carter over him. But of course there is the matter of a 4th round "investment" in Boldin, but to me, that draft status isn't high enough to preclude keeping the more proven player (in this case Carter) or drafting a blue-chip player in this year's draft. Of course, JFox and Co. don't make it easy to read the tea leaves since they are notorious about underplaying rookies and then unleashing them later on!

Very good points. If I was forced to cut a player at CB, it would be Boldin as well. But, in my mind, he's exactly what you want as a 5th CB. Someone that excels on special teams and can provide CB snaps in a pinch, while still having developmental value.

If we take a CB high, somebody has to not play. It's not just the idea of cutting Boldin alone. It's that now, someone is benched like Boldin was last season, and we have to fill that special teams role. I assume, Carter would now be riding the pine, but he doesn't help so much on special teams.

Everyone else may well be right, but I'm going to (foolishly) believe Fox and Elway when they hyped up Tony Carter and Omar Boldin as players they are extremely high on. I don't think they want to cut or bench them based on what they've said. That's really the backbone of my stance.
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Arthur Brown is probably the safest pick for us at #28. It's not a flashy pick but I think it's a pick that fits what the team's been doing since Elway took over. He's a solid player who fits the mold of a John Fox MLB (rangy, instinctive, team leader, played for the U). Plus he fills a need and is decent in coverage. He reminds me a bit of Lavonte David and can come in and start from day 1.

He might be a bit of a reach in the first but I think he's going to be gone early in the second so we may not be able to move too far done to get him.
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So I was watching the Matt Barkley QB Camp and I thought he was really impressive. Not at all a Barkley fan, and I know that show is filmed and scripted to make the kids look good, but he seemed like a very poised and knowledgeable guy. I really think a QB hungry team (Bills or Jags) are going to try to sneak back into the bottom of the 1st round to snag him. Que us and our 28th. Trade back in a draft that's deep from 30-60. Every draft a team trades back into the 1st to get a QB (even a weak QB draft like this one.)
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