The Orange Mane -  a Denver Broncos Fan Community  

Go Back   The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community > Orange Mane Discussion > Orange Mane Central Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat Room Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-12-2013, 08:28 PM   #1
tesnyde
Paradigm Coordinator
 
tesnyde's Avatar
 
Keepit nuttier than a squirrel turd

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Colorado
Posts: 777
Default Trade Twilight?

So if Twilight really would be one of the top QBs in this draft if he would have stayed at ASU, is it too early to explore the market for him? I think we should explore it now that PFM proved he can still play, passed his physical and re-upped, especially in our win now mode, but what can we get for him? Thoughts? Go...

Last edited by tesnyde; 03-12-2013 at 08:45 PM..
tesnyde is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 03-12-2013, 08:29 PM   #2
Rabb
No Luca, No!
 
Rabb's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 7,374

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Dynamite Monkey
Default

Your post count is fitting based on this one, wow
Rabb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 08:44 PM   #3
tesnyde
Paradigm Coordinator
 
tesnyde's Avatar
 
Keepit nuttier than a squirrel turd

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Colorado
Posts: 777
Default

Not my post count but my asset, investment, ROI, and background in being an analysts who generates above-average returns. He is an asset that could provide a return worth more than his current value to our team.. That is a worthwhile business decision. Sunk cost should be ignored, but if the return is greater than the investment it should be explored.
tesnyde is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 08:46 PM   #4
DivineLegion
******ship Sta at the Top
 
DivineLegion's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: The Peak of Good Living
Posts: 4,784

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Nate Irving
Default

What he means is...

Lay off the Drugs pal!

Your certainly doing your rodent dropping duties.
DivineLegion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 08:50 PM   #5
Mogulseeker
Formerly mightysmurf
 
Mogulseeker's Avatar
 
https://twitter.com/mogulseeker

Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Boulder... Vail when it snoooows
Posts: 16,538

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Lamin Barrow
Default

lolwut

I don't think they drafted Brock to be a "plan b" in case Manning goes down.
Mogulseeker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 08:50 PM   #6
theAPAOps5
A new beginning!
 
theAPAOps5's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Seattle
Posts: 29,875

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Watermock - RIP
Default

What is with the lame thread titles today. It is worded like it is a rumor. Why not use something that makes sense like "Why not trade Twilight?"
theAPAOps5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 08:51 PM   #7
Mogulseeker
Formerly mightysmurf
 
Mogulseeker's Avatar
 
https://twitter.com/mogulseeker

Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Boulder... Vail when it snoooows
Posts: 16,538

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Lamin Barrow
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tesnyde View Post
Not my post count but my asset, investment, ROI, and background in being an analysts who generates above-average returns. He is an asset that could provide a return worth more than his current value to our team.. That is a worthwhile business decision. Sunk cost should be ignored, but if the return is greater than the investment it should be explored.
Have you ever thought that Elway might value him as a top ten pick? That is, his pet project might be worth the 10th overall pick, but if he had the 10th pick he would pursue Ozzy.

See what I'm saying...
Mogulseeker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 08:52 PM   #8
DivineLegion
******ship Sta at the Top
 
DivineLegion's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: The Peak of Good Living
Posts: 4,784

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Nate Irving
Default

Ok, so you want to get analytical, and really have this conversation. What you are basing your idea of return on is clearly the league trend of getting second round picks for back up Quarterbacks. What you fail to realize, or forgot to include in your analysis, is most of the backups who have been dealt in the past have seen significant playing time. Now you clearly stated that because Osweiler could have stayed in college, and could have been a concinsous top pick that, that is his actual value; your wrong. Osweiler did not stay in college, and his value has been assessed as a second round draft pick, but like a car whose driven off the lot, his value has deminished until he proves otherwise. That's where you are making the mistake.
DivineLegion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 08:56 PM   #9
bowtown
Ring of Famer
 
bowtown's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 10,097

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Aaron Brewer
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tesnyde View Post
Not my post count but my asset, investment, ROI, and background in being an analysts who generates above-average returns. He is an asset that could provide a return worth more than his current value to our team.. That is a worthwhile business decision. Sunk cost should be ignored, but if the return is greater than the investment it should be explored.
Yeah, do you often just take wild guesses at future returns based on no actual real information before trading an asset? Because, as of right now, that's what you have on Brock. My guess is that with most of your deals you actually have some substantial data to build a model off of. Or do you just shoot from the hip and hope it works out in the end?
bowtown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 08:58 PM   #10
tesnyde
Paradigm Coordinator
 
tesnyde's Avatar
 
Keepit nuttier than a squirrel turd

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Colorado
Posts: 777
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MariusPontmercy View Post
Have you ever thought that Elway might value him as a top ten pick? That is, his pet project might be worth the 10th overall pick, but if he had the 10th pick he would pursue Ozzy.

See what I'm saying...
I get it. I am just thinking that if we can parlay him into an immediate assets that helps today, it is worth asking the question. For example, the Bills are desperate. What would they offer? After that pirated phone call, they seem desperate for a franchise QB. Fortune favors the brave.
tesnyde is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 09:08 PM   #11
tesnyde
Paradigm Coordinator
 
tesnyde's Avatar
 
Keepit nuttier than a squirrel turd

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Colorado
Posts: 777
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtown View Post
Yeah, do you often just take wild guesses at future returns based on no actual real information before trading an asset? Because, as of right now, that's what you have on Brock. My guess is that with most of your deals you actually have some substantial data to build a model off of. Or do you just shoot from the hip and hope it works out in the end?
Your right. I use data and I am dedicated to the Baldrige Cirteria for Performance Excellence, which often starts with meeting with my cabinet, asking questions and aligning them with our goals. I'm just asking the question. Do we believe he is worth more in the future than now, or visa a versa? What are our goals? Does he aligne with them? In this case our goal is win now. Does he contribute to that? You tell me. I don't think he does. On the other hand, level five leadership states you must have long term success. My position probably puts that at risk, but $40m says win today.

Last edited by tesnyde; 03-12-2013 at 09:12 PM..
tesnyde is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 09:18 PM   #12
theAPAOps5
A new beginning!
 
theAPAOps5's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Seattle
Posts: 29,875

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Watermock - RIP
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tesnyde View Post
Your right. I use data and I am dedicated to the Baldrige Cirteria for Performance Excellence, which often starts with meeting with my cabinet, asking questions and aligning them with our goals. I'm just asking the question. Do we believe he is worth more in the future than now, or visa a versa? What are our goals? Does he aligne with them? In this case our goal is win now. Does he contribute to that? You tell me. I don't think he does. On the other hand, level five leadership states you must have long term success. My position probably puts that at risk, but $40m says win today.
So now you are just throwing around buzzwords you learned in a cool week long seminar? Careful, pretty soon we are going to call your DomCasual...... or worse yet..... Hotrod!
theAPAOps5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 09:19 PM   #13
broncosteven
Kranz Dictum
 
broncosteven's Avatar
 
Where is Amazon!

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Tranquility Base
Posts: 34,707

Adopt-a-Bronco:
CJ Anderson!
Default

Nope, I read Titan's thread about the QB club Meeting with Cecil Lammy who said Oss has developed while here but he is our current BU (We do need someone to mop up during the blowouts) and they are building a team for him to take over like Rodgers did when they finally ran Farver out of town. If we traded him away for some desperate franchise who had recently been caught on a taped phone conversations I don't no what we could use to draft instead. Then we would have to draft yet another BU QB. Someone who would be as good as Oss or better... Lets be happy to have Qss in the backup role learning and getting TC/PS reps. The sooner we win a SB the sooner PM should be gone. and it will all be about Oss hype.
broncosteven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 09:34 PM   #14
Lestat
Oreo Lucian Rockefeller
 
Lestat's Avatar
 
Say what again! I dare you!

Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 9,541
Default

he's the next QB up after Manning. he's not getting traded.
Lestat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2013, 09:52 PM   #15
Mogulseeker
Formerly mightysmurf
 
Mogulseeker's Avatar
 
https://twitter.com/mogulseeker

Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Boulder... Vail when it snoooows
Posts: 16,538

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Lamin Barrow
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by broncosteven View Post
Nope, I read Titan's thread about the QB club Meeting with Cecil Lammy who said Oss has developed while here but he is our current BU (We do need someone to mop up during the blowouts) and they are building a team for him to take over like Rodgers did when they finally ran Farver out of town. If we traded him away for some desperate franchise who had recently been caught on a taped phone conversations I don't no what we could use to draft instead. Then we would have to draft yet another BU QB. Someone who would be as good as Oss or better... Lets be happy to have Qss in the backup role learning and getting TC/PS reps. The sooner we win a SB the sooner PM should be gone. and it will all be about Oss hype.
I agree with this post.... I think. Can I ask if you're drunk, though? Your grammar is usually spot-on.
Mogulseeker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 03:50 AM   #16
Drek
Ring of Famer
 
Drek's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 12,368
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tesnyde View Post
So if Twilight really would be one of the top QBs in this draft if he would have stayed at ASU, is it too early to explore the market for him? I think we should explore it now that PFM proved he can still play, passed his physical and re-upped, especially in our win now mode, but what can we get for him? Thoughts? Go...
Manning is also closing in on 40, what kind of investment experience do you have that makes you think betting everything on one short term payout and having no insurance behind it's potential failure or value decline is the way to go?
Drek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 04:41 AM   #17
Broncoman13
Broncoholic
 
Broncoman13's Avatar
 
JT #80

Join Date: May 2001
Location: Colorado
Posts: 16,840

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Orange Julius
Default

Succession Planning. The reason they drafted a QB so early last year was so they could develop their succession plan. Ditching that plan now and starting with a new plan now puts them a year behind... Unless you think they should just throw a season in 2015 and hope that Johnny Football is the next RGIII?
Broncoman13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 08:38 AM   #18
cmhargrove
Is this thing on???
 
cmhargrove's Avatar
 
Travis Henry's love child...

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 6,717

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Peyton Hillis
Default

Our HOF QB/GM hand picked this kid, he's not going anywhere.
cmhargrove is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 09:18 AM   #19
Bacchus
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tesnyde View Post
I get it. I am just thinking that if we can parlay him into an immediate assets that helps today, it is worth asking the question. For example, the Bills are desperate. What would they offer? After that pirated phone call, they seem desperate for a franchise QB. Fortune favors the brave.
The basic theory that Oz would have been a 1st rounder IF he would have played ball last year is just that. A theory and he needed to play ball last year. Sitting one year behind Denver means that he is worth a late second most likely a 3rd.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 10:04 AM   #20
OBF1
Ring of Famer
 
No avatar is the new avatar

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Orlando, Florida
Posts: 15,602

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None are worthy
Default

Must have been a large earthquake in Colorado today... Knocked the stupid from the trees.
OBF1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 10:23 AM   #21
Houshyamama
I Make The Weather
 
Houshyamama's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 4,476

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Brock Osweiler
Default

You're going to have a very hard time defending this idea. None of your arguments so far sound reasonable.
Houshyamama is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 10:33 AM   #22
lolcopter
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Another idiotic OP

Yay offseason
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 10:37 AM   #23
maven
★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★
 
maven's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 9,486
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tesnyde View Post
So if Twilight really would be one of the top QBs in this draft if he would have stayed at ASU, is it too early to explore the market for him? I think we should explore it now that PFM proved he can still play, passed his physical and re-upped, especially in our win now mode, but what can we get for him? Thoughts? Go...
His value is low since he hasn't seen the field. I would say he's worth less today than where he was drafted.
maven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 10:38 AM   #24
Irish Stout
Ring of Famer
 
Irish Stout's Avatar
 
Run for it Marty!

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,910

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Wesley Woodyard
Default

Wesley Woodyard will play like a man hell bent on destruction this year.
Irish Stout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 10:40 AM   #25
Mountain Bronco
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Mountains
Posts: 1,650
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tesnyde View Post
Your right. I use data and I am dedicated to the Baldrige Cirteria for Performance Excellence, which often starts with meeting with my cabinet, asking questions and aligning them with our goals. I'm just asking the question. Do we believe he is worth more in the future than now, or visa a versa? What are our goals? Does he aligne with them? In this case our goal is win now. Does he contribute to that? You tell me. I don't think he does. On the other hand, level five leadership states you must have long term success. My position probably puts that at risk, but $40m says win today.
Short sighted. Win now is important, but so is the future.
Mountain Bronco is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:45 AM.


Denver Broncos