former CIA pilot and 9/11 researcher "suicided"

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by W*GS

I just searched "simulator" in the 9/11 Commission Report and nowhere did it say that the hijackers had "two hours of SIM time".

On what page does the 9/11 Commission Report make that statement?

Prove it, gaffe.

Crickets...

[mhgaffney]

The Joint Inquiry Report - 2002

Phillip Marshall goes deeper into the official reports than most other 9/11 researchers.

He found many gems in the first official 9/11 report -- the 2002 investigation by the Joint House/Senate Intelligence Committee. It was known as the Joint Inquiry.

Much of it was censored out in the released version - in particular - 28 pages in part 3 about the Saudi involvement.

Download it here:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/page...RPT-107hrpt792

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

[...]

I just searched "simulator" in the 9/11 Commission Report and nowhere did it say that the hijackers had "two hours of SIM time".

On what page does the 9/11 Commission Report make that statement?

Prove it, gaffe.

[mhgaffney]

The Prince who skimmed $2 billion from an arms deal. Not a bad day's work. Just so happens this is the same prince who provided cash to at least two of the alleged 9/11 hijackers.

As it turns out -- the bag man was Al Bayoumi -- a mid level Saudi who was also working for a Saudi aviation contractor.

MHG

Former FBI chief defends flow of money to Saudi ambassador

$2 billion from an British arms manufacturer to Saudi Arabia's then-U.S. ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, has come under scrutiny. Louis Freeh defends Bandar on 'Frontline.'

April 07, 2009|Tom Hamburger and Josh Meyer

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr...tion/na-freeh7

[mhgaffney]

The problem with Americans is that we don't think BIG enough. Americans detect the small lie -- but invariably swallow the big one. Here is more poop on Prince Bandar, who was so close to the Bushes he was viewed as family.

Senator Bob Graham has charged that the FBI covered up the cash payments to the hijackers. Graham chaired the first official 9/11 investigation.

MHG

Saudi Prince's Assets Blocked

February 10, 2008

A federal judge has temporarily blocked the former Saudi ambassador to the United States from removing real estate sales proceeds from the United States, pending resolution of a class-action lawsuit.

The suit was filed last September by a tiny Michigan city's retirement system. It accuses current and former directors of BAE Systems, a giant British defense company, of breaching their fiduciary duties in connection with $2 billion or more in alleged illegal bribes paid to Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

Bandar also is named a defendant in the suit, along with the former Riggs Bank of Washington and its successor, PNC Financial Group.

BAE and Bandar have strongly denied that illegal payments were made to Bandar.

Without ruling on the merits of the case, U.S. District Judge Rosemary M. Collyer said in a temporary restraining order, signed Tuesday, that the suit by the City of Harper Woods Employees' Retirement System raises serious questions of law that warrant a temporary order keeping Bandar from taking the proceeds of real estate sales out of U.S.-based accounts.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...l-estate-sales

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

The problem with Americans is that we don't think BIG enough. Americans detect the small lie -- but invariably swallow the big one. Here is more poop on Prince Bandar, who was so close to the Bushes he was viewed as family.

Senator Bob Graham has charged that the FBI covered up the cash payments to the hijackers. Graham chaired the first official 9/11 investigation.

MHG

Saudi Prince's Assets Blocked

February 10, 2008

A federal judge has temporarily blocked the former Saudi ambassador to the United States from removing real estate sales proceeds from the United States, pending resolution of a class-action lawsuit.

The suit was filed last September by a tiny Michigan city's retirement system. It accuses current and former directors of BAE Systems, a giant British defense company, of breaching their fiduciary duties in connection with $2 billion or more in alleged illegal bribes paid to Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

Bandar also is named a defendant in the suit, along with the former Riggs Bank of Washington and its successor, PNC Financial Group.

BAE and Bandar have strongly denied that illegal payments were made to Bandar.

Without ruling on the merits of the case, U.S. District Judge Rosemary M. Collyer said in a temporary restraining order, signed Tuesday, that the suit by the City of Harper Woods Employees' Retirement System raises serious questions of law that warrant a temporary order keeping Bandar from taking the proceeds of real estate sales out of U.S.-based accounts.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...l-estate-sales

Small lie: Venus is a comet

Big lie: The universe is run by lizard people

Am I doing it right?

[mhgaffney]

Here's a good capsule of the Bandar fiasco -- and how it ties to 9/11. When federal investigators began investigating Prince Bandar's bank accounts at Riggs Bank -- they found a lot more than they bargained for -- so much evidence of criminal activity that they shut down the bank in 2006.

So far -- neither Prince Bandar nor his American sponsors and backers (i.s. the Bush family) have been indicted.

The 9/11 Commission Report concluded that the financing of the 9/11 attacks "was of no practical significance.." That right there ought to tell you the report was nothing but a cover up.

note: According to Wikipedia, HSBC Holdings plc (commonly known as HSBC) is a British multinational banking and financial services company headquartered in London, United Kingdom.[5] As of 2012, it was the world's third-largest publicly held bank and sixth-largest public company, according to a composite measure by Forbes magazine.
MHG

HSBC, Prince Bandar, and 9/11: The Plot Thickens

July 21, 2012 • 8:17AM

The recently-released 330-page report of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (SPSI) on HSBC's role in money laundering for drug cartels, terrorist organizations, and Iran, has shed further light on the financing of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. As the report documents, HSBC maintained a correspondent banking relationship with Al Rahji Bank of Saudi Arabia, a conduit for funds to al-Qaeda and other Islamist terror cells. Al Rahji Bank was part of a network of Saudi-based banks and charities that funneled an estimated $30 million a year to finance al-Qaeda's operations alone. HSBC, through its New York City branch, HBUS, gave Al Rahji and other linked elements within what was called the "Golden Chain," access to the U.S. banking system.

What's more, following the shutdown and sell-off of Riggs National Bank, after revelations of money laundering and other criminal activities on behalf of a number of foreign governments, the bulk of the embassy banking accounts were taken over by HSBC. The transfer of the embassy accounts from Riggs to HSBC included the infamous Saudi embassy accounts of Ambassador Prince Bandar bin-Sultan and his wife. Those accounts were conduits for at least $2 billion in kickbacks from the Al Yamamah weapons-for-oil barter deal to Prince Bandar, who brokered the Anglo-Saudi special arrangement back in 1985 with then-British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

At least $50,000 of those funds were passed on to two Saudi intelligence officers, Osama Basnan and Omar Bayoumi, who financed at least two of the 9/11 hijackers with those funds. These transactions were the subject of a 28-page chapter in the Congressional 9/11 panel's final report, which was classified top secret by President George W. Bush, and which, to this day, has been kept from the public eye. In February 2009, when he met with representatives of the 9/11 families, President Obama pledged that he would make sure that chapter was made public—a promise he never intended to keep.

This week, as Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) was releasing the SPSI report on HSBC's money laundering activities, Prince Bandar was named as the new head of Saudi intelligence. According to one knowledgeable U.S. intelligence source, Bandar is running the Saudi promotion of violent neo-Salafi terrorists. After the U.S. Department of Justice investigated Prince Bandar's role in the Al Yamamah scandal under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, and after a U.S. court temporarily froze $160 million in Bandar's assets in the United States, the Saudi Prince has become virulently anti-American, according to the source.

http://larouchepac.com/node/23412

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

According to the 9/11 Commission Report the alleged highjacker pilots had two hours of SIM time. I did not say it. They said it.

I just searched "simulator" in the 9/11 Commission Report and nowhere did it say that the hijackers had "two hours of SIM time".

On what page does the 9/11 Commission Report make that statement?

Prove it, gaffe.

PS - QUIT YOUR ****ING LYING YOU CO******ING MOTHER****ER!

[The Lone Bolt]

Why do I picture the inside of Gaff's cabin looking like that scene from "A Beautiful Mind" with all the articles and pictures on the wall connected by strings?

[mhgaffney]

I covered the SIMS issue in my 2008 book

It's mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report on p 227.

But to get the whole story you also need to look at other docs.

Robert Mueller told the Joint Inquiry (closed hearing, June 18, 2002) that in Dec 2000 Mohammad Atta and Marwan Al-shihhi did a single session in a 767 simulator at the Simcenter flight school at the Opa-Locka Airport near Miami. Another FBI statement to this effect was released at the time of the trial of Zacharias Moussaoui in 2006. At the trial the FBI produced a document showing that the two had paid $2500 for the session.

The New York Times also reported that the two had spent a grand total of three hours in a Boeing 727 simulator. Needless to say, a 727 is very different than a 767 -- to say the least.
Here's the source:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/...yt091501b.html

[mhgaffney]

I've been telling you clowns for years that the Bin Laden videos were fakes -- check out this report based on agency officials who admitted it in 2010.
MHG

CIA unit's wacky idea: Depict Saddam as gay

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy...deas_to_d.html

May 25, 2010

By Jeff Stein

During planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA's Iraq Operations Group kicked around a number of ideas for discrediting Saddam Hussein in the eyes of his people.

One was to create a video purporting to show the Iraqi dictator having sex with a teenage boy, according to two former CIA officials familiar with the project.

“It would look like it was taken by a hidden camera,” said one of the former officials. “Very grainy, like it was a secret videotaping of a sex session.”

The idea was to then “flood Iraq with the videos,” the former official said.

Another idea was to interrupt Iraqi television programming with a fake special news bulletin. An actor playing Hussein would announce that he was stepping down in favor of his (much-reviled) son Uday.

“I’m sure you will throw your support behind His Excellency Uday,” the fake Hussein would intone.

The spy agency’s Office of Technical Services collaborated on the ideas, which also included inserting fake “crawls” -- messages at the bottom of the screen -- into Iraqi newscasts.

The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.

Eventually, “things ground to a halt,” the other former officer said, because no one could come to agreement on the projects.

They also faced strong opposition from James Pavitt, then head of the agency’s Operations Division, and his deputy, Hugh Turner, who “kept throwing darts at it.”

The ideas were patently ridiculous, said the other former agency officer.

“They came from people whose careers were spent in Latin America or East Asia” and didn’t understand the cultural nuances of the region.

“Saddam playing with boys would have no resonance in the Middle East -- nobody cares,” agreed a third former CIA official with extensive experience in the region. “Trying to mount such a campaign would show a total misunderstanding of the target. We always mistake our own taboos as universal when, in fact, they are just our taboos.”

A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, declined to confirm the accounts, or deny them.

"While I can't confirm these accounts, if these ideas were ever floated by anyone at any time, they clearly didn't go anywhere," the official said.

The reality, the former officials said, was that the agency really didn’t have enough money and expertise to carry out the projects.

“The military took them over,” said one. “They had assets in psy-war down at Ft. Bragg,” at the army’s special warfare center.

“The agency got rid of most of its non-paramilitary covert action in the 1980s, after Bill Casey died,” said the third former official. “He was a big fan of covert action, but neither Bob Gates, who succeeded him as acting [CIA] director, or any after him, wanted anything to do with it.”

“There was a flurry of activity during the first Gulf War,” the official added, “but [Gen. Norman] Schwarzkopf made it clear he had to approve everything, and he basically approved nothing, except, reluctantly at first, surrender leaflets. By the late '90s there were very few people left who knew anything about covert action or how to do it. “

The leaflets also had “unintended consequences,” the former official added.

“In the perverted logic of Iraq, the Iraqi soldiers decided they had to have a leaflet to surrender, so they fought us to get one."

According to histories of the 2003 invasion, the single most effective “information warfare” project, which originated in the Pentagon, was to send faxes and e-mails to Iraqi unit commanders as the fighting began, telling them their situation was hopeless, to round up their tanks, artillery and men, and go home.

Many did.

[DenverBrit]

That fake video has been common knowledge for years.

So you think because you've just discovered that fact, all Bin Laden videos are fake?? Once again, you're trying to parlay your ignorance into a conspiracy theory.

You live in a weird and disturbing fantasy world and should seriously consider getting some counseling.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

I covered the SIMS issue in my 2008 book

It's mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report on p 227.

Where does it say "2 hours"?

HE ATTACK LOOMS 227
severed; he completed the initial training by the end of March 2001. At that point, Hanjour and Hazmi vacated their apartment and started driving east, anticipating the arrival of the “muscle hijackers”—the operatives who would storm the cockpits and control the passengers. By as early as April 4, Hanjour and Hazmi had arrived in Falls Church,Virginia.64
The three pilots in Florida continued with their training.Atta and Shehhi finished up at Huffman and earned their instrument certificates from the FAA in November. In mid-December 2000, they passed their commercial pilot tests and received their licenses.They then began training to fly large jets on a flight simulator. At about the same time, Jarrah began simulator training, also in Florida but at a different center. By the end of 2000, less than six months after their arrival, the three pilots on the East Coast were simulating flights on large jets.65
Travels in Early 2001
Jarrah, Atta, and Shehhi, having progressed in their training, all took foreign trips during the holiday period of 2000–2001. Jarrah flew through Germany to get home to Beirut.A few weeks later,he returned to Florida via Germany, with Aysel Senguen. She stayed with him in Florida for ten days, even accompanying him to a flight training session.We do not know whether Atta or al Qaeda leaders knew about Jarrah’s trips and Senguen’s visit.The other operatives had broken off regular contact with their families.At the end of January 2001, Jarrah again flew to Beirut, to visit his sick father.After staying there for several weeks, Jarrah visited Senguen in Germany for a few days before returning to the United States at the end of February.66
While Jarrah took his personal trips,Atta traveled to Germany in early January 2001 for a progress meeting with Ramzi Binalshibh. Binalshibh says Atta told him to report to the al Qaeda leadership in Afghanistan that the three Hamburg pilots had completed their flight training and were awaiting orders. Atta also disclosed that a fourth pilot, Hanjour, had joined Hazmi. Upon returning to Florida,Atta wired Binalshibh travel money.Binalshibh proceeded to Afghanistan, made his report, and spent the next several months there and in Pakistan.67
When Atta returned to Florida, Shehhi left for Morocco, traveling to Casablanca in mid-January. Shehhi’s family, concerned about not having heard from him, reported him missing to the UAE government.The UAE embassy in turn contacted the Hamburg police and a UAE representative tried to find him in Germany, visiting mosques and Shehhi’s last address in Hamburg.After learning that his family was looking for him, Shehhi telephoned them on January 20 and said he was still living and studying in Hamburg.The UAE government then told the Hamburg police they could call off the search.68
Atta and Shehhi both encountered some difficulty reentering the United States, on January 10 and January 18, respectively. Because neither presented a

Well?

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

But to get the whole story you also need to look at other docs.

Robert Mueller told the Joint Inquiry (closed hearing, June 18, 2002) that in Dec 2000 Mohammad Atta and Marwan Al-shihhi did a single session in a 767 simulator at the Simcenter flight school at the Opa-Locka Airport near Miami. Another FBI statement to this effect was released at the time of the trial of Zacharias Moussaoui in 2006. At the trial the FBI produced a document showing that the two had paid $2500 for the session.

The New York Times also reported that the two had spent a grand total of three hours in a Boeing 727 simulator. Needless to say, a 727 is very different than a 767 -- to say the least.
Here's the source:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/...yt091501b.html

None of that is proof of your claim:

According to the 9/11 Commission Report the alleged highjacker pilots had two hours of SIM time. I did not say it. They said it.

Now you're saying the 9/11 Report didn't say it, these other documents did, but none of what you quote supports your "two hours" claim.

QUIT LYING YOU CO******ING MOTHER****ER.

[mhgaffney]

Why I come here...

From time to time my friends and colleagues come to the OM to see where I post. They always say to me, Mark why do you waste your time with those idiots?

It is clear that true American patriots are no longer welcome in their own land. The propensity to savage the bearer of uncomfortable truths -- some like W*gs seem to delight in it -- is a sure sign not only of denial but of a dumbed down populace -- and a defeated nation.

The official investigating bodies produced not a scintilla of actual evidence that Osama bin Laden was behind 9/11 -- only faked videos and a so called confession from Shiekh Khalid Mohammed extracted under torture.

The 9/11 commission was never granted access to KSM -- nor were they allowed to interview the interrogators. They had to base their lawful investigation on third hand CIA reports. Trust us, the CIA said.

The co-chairs Kean and Hamilton later wrote a book, WITHOUT PRECEDENT, in which they said they were "set up to fail."

The chair of the first 9/11 investigation the Joint Inquiry, Sen Bob Graham, also wrote a book INTELLIGENCE MATTERS in which he accused the FBI of covering up the flow of money from Prince Bandar to the hijackers. A large portion of Graham's final report had been blacked out -- by the Bush administration - to hide its collusion with the Saudi financiers.

A professional pilot, Phil Marshall, shows in his books that the alleged hijackers did not have the training or expertise to do what they supposedly did on 9/11. Marshall was murdered because he got too close to the truth. Another unwanted true patriot -- sealed the awful truth of 9/11 with his own blood.

So why do I come here? It's simple: I post for the drop ins -- who seldom or never themselves post. But they do read -- and they think.

There are still a few people of integrity in this land.

MHG

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Marshall was murdered because he got too close to the truth.

Got a couple questions for ya, gaffe.

So Marshall had the genuine inside scoop on how what we've been told about the al-Qaeda-hijacked planes used as guided missiles is all wrong.

But the Powers That Run It All don't take him out right away. They wait 12 years.

And they do it via killing him, his kids, and his dog - a very newsworthy and attention-getting means. Not a "heart attack", "traffic accident" or anything else that would be viewed as far more run-of-the-mill.

Why do you think the Powers That Run It All would go for such a showy death? Explain.

And another couple things...

Where does the 9/11 Commission Report (or its references) claim "highjacker [sic] pilots had two hours of SIM time"? Show us the direct and referenced quote.

How did Hale-Bopp accumulate the mass claimed without being destroyed by the accompanying energy?

WHY DO YOU FEEL IT NECESSARY TO BE SUCH A LIAR AND FRAUD?

[W*GS]

Oh, and one more thing.

YOU ARE NO PATRIOT. YOU'RE A NAZI, YOU HATE AMERICA, YOU HATE HUMANITY, AND YOU ENRICH YOURSELF BY EXPLOITING HORRIFIC TRAGEDY FOR YOUR OWN PROFIT. YOU'RE A SCUMBAG LEECH, YOU HAVE SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS, AND YOU GET OFF ON SICK DEATH FANTASIES.

[orangeatheist]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

I post for the drop ins -- who seldom or never themselves post. But they do read -- and they think.

I've always wondered why others here give you the time of day. Why do they engage you? Why do they acknowledge anything you say as if it was worthy of refutation? It would be best if everyone just turned their back on you and ignored you. Let you create your masturbatory threads but don't even enter them. I suggested once that others avoid you; ignore you; give you a wide berth and just let you self-pleasure yourself in private. But I was largely ignored myself instead. Now you give everyone a good reason to ignore you. You're not here for THEM; the people who respond to you. You're here for the imaginary fairies you think are looking for "Truth(TM)" about the fall of the American Empire, the real history of Venus, and the conspiracy of 9/11 on a sub-forum of an internet Denver Broncos football message board.

If that isn't reason enough to ban you (because you're not here for the Broncos but just to write love letters to your imaginary friends), then it should be reason enough for everyone to finally quit clicking on your asylum threads and giving you an audience you don't deserve.

And with that, I refuse to respond to you ever again. You just aren't worthy of my personal attention (or anyone else's for that matter; I hope they come to realize that).

[The Lone Bolt]

Originally Posted by orangeatheist

I've always wondered why others here give you the time of day. Why do they engage you? Why do they acknowledge anything you say as if it was worthy of refutation? It would be best if everyone just turned their back on you and ignored you. Let you create your masturbatory threads but don't even enter them. I suggested once that others avoid you; ignore you; give you a wide berth and just let you self-pleasure yourself in private. But I was largely ignored myself instead. Now you give everyone a good reason to ignore you. You're not here for THEM; the people who respond to you. You're here for the imaginary fairies you think are looking for "Truth(TM)" about the fall of the American Empire, the real history of Venus, and the conspiracy of 9/11 on a sub-forum of an internet Denver Broncos football message board.

If that isn't reason enough to ban you (because you're not here for the Broncos but just to write love letters to your imaginary friends), then it should be reason enough for everyone to finally quit clicking on your asylum threads and giving you an audience you don't deserve.

And with that, I refuse to respond to you ever again. You just aren't worthy of my personal attention (or anyone else's for that matter; I hope they come to realize that).

Gaff's worse nightmare -- I guarantee it -- is to be ignored.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by orangeatheist

I've always wondered why others here give you the time of day. Why do they engage you? Why do they acknowledge anything you say as if it was worthy of refutation? It would be best if everyone just turned their back on you and ignored you. Let you create your masturbatory threads but don't even enter them. I suggested once that others avoid you; ignore you; give you a wide berth and just let you self-pleasure yourself in private. But I was largely ignored myself instead. Now you give everyone a good reason to ignore you. You're not here for THEM; the people who respond to you. You're here for the imaginary fairies you think are looking for "Truth(TM)" about the fall of the American Empire, the real history of Venus, and the conspiracy of 9/11 on a sub-forum of an internet Denver Broncos football message board.

If that isn't reason enough to ban you (because you're not here for the Broncos but just to write love letters to your imaginary friends), then it should be reason enough for everyone to finally quit clicking on your asylum threads and giving you an audience you don't deserve.

And with that, I refuse to respond to you ever again. You just aren't worthy of my personal attention (or anyone else's for that matter; I hope they come to realize that).

Hallelujah! Praise the Lord.

One less idiot posting his nonsense on my threads is cause for celebration!

[mhgaffney]

In his book THE BIG BAMBOOZLE Phil Marshall recounted the story of BCCI, the world's sleaziest bank, according to Time magazine.

When a British magistrate shut the crime bank down in 1991 -- the NY city DA Robert Morgenthau - a legendary investigator -- charged that the US Justice (sic) Department had impeded his attempt to prosecute BCCI here in the US.

Morgenthau was correct. BCCI had been a conduit for CIA covert ops and money laundering. We know for a fact that the Justice Department "cooperated" with the CIA.

The Justice Department was put in the embarrassing position of defending itself from members of Congress - and Morgenthau. See below.

The worldwide "black network" of BCCI continued to exist AFTER the shutdown. Many of the players were carry overs from Iran Contra and would go on to play a role in setting up 9/11.

MHG

Thornburgh Denies U.s. Impeded Investigation Of Worldwide Bank


http://articles.philly.com/1991-07-2...sleaziest-bank
By Paul Anderson, Inquirer Washington Bureau
POSTED: July 26, 1991
WASHINGTON — Attorney General Dick Thornburgh yesterday angrily denied that the Justice Department had helped cover up illegal operations by the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), the worldwide conglomerate shut down earlier this month because of money laundering and other crimes.

"The only agency on the face of this Earth that has taken effective action against BCCI is the U.S. Department of Justice," Thornburgh told a House panel.

He cited the 1990 convictions of five BCCI officers in Tampa, Fla., on money-laundering charges, as well as imposition of a $15 million fine against the bank.

Customs investigators based in Florida began their investigation of BCCI in 1986, he said, and the evidence they found led to the eventual seizure of bank offices by regulators in eight countries.

Thornburgh grew angry after Rep. Frank J. Guarini (D., N.J.) read from the cover story in this week's issue of Time magazine, which called BCCI "the world's sleaziest bank."

The article cited accusations by state prosecutors and bank regulators in Florida, New York and other states that Justice Department officials had impeded their investigations into local BCCI operations. Time said the principal reason was that the bank worked with the CIA to finance covert operations. The CIA denies that.

"I hope for the sake of the department this type of allegation is dispelled by your subsequent actions," Guarini told Thornburgh.

[mhgaffney]

What does it take to shut down a bank?

A senator asks a simple question to a Treasury Dept attorney: What does it take -- how much money does a bank have to launder before you shut them down?

Listen to the waffling -- and understand that banks are above the law.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle34245.htm

Btw, HSBC is the bank that absorbed Riggs Bank after Riggs was shut down -- as a result of the 9/11-related investigation of Prince Bandar's Riggs bank account.


MHG

[mhgaffney]

Phillip Marshall's website is gone....

He mentions it in the book. He had posted documents and links. All gone now.

Don't believe me? Check it out:

www.thebigbamboozle.com