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Old 03-11-2013, 06:46 PM   #26
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no, pretty much all reports say they want to reduce his salary not restructure his deal. If it were a cap restructure it probably would have been done. I think what Doom wants is to play for the $$$$ he signed up for. If he can't do that, he would probably like to be released in time to make as close to that amount as possible. I'm finding it hard to blame Doom for his role in this.
And I'm sure the Broncos want him to produce what he was producing when they signed him to the $$$$ he signed up for. He's not come close to 17 sacks at all since either.....which is a huge reason he got his big payday. Maybe the Broncos expect him to get 17 sacks every season for that kind of money....who knows?


And I'm no capologist, but reducing his salary is impossible without restructuring his contract correct?

and if he decided not to that is his decision to make. I don't expect anyone to take a pay cut if they feel they're deserving of their salary....but by the same token the contract also allows the team to release said player if they feel he's not worth his contract anymore.....

Keep in mind when he signed the contract it was after his monster 17 sack season in '09....he promptly missed the next season and hasn't made it through a full season but twice since he signed that huge deal. The Broncos evidently feel he's not worth what they're paying him anymore....it happens.

As for blaming him....I am not blaming him. I'm just stating that he can remain a Bronco if he restructures. The Broncos cannot be expected to pay him a butt load of money anymore than he should be expected to take a pay cut.

hopefully he and the Broncos can come to an agreement...if not, thanks for the memories Doom and good luck wherever you land.

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Old 03-11-2013, 06:53 PM   #27
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Dumervil isn't bringing 12-15 sacks either.
I'll be surprised if he ever reaches 12-15 in a season the rest of his career. Hes not trying to be a team guy. Doesn't he have enough $$$? Let the guy go to lower tier team that has no shot at a SB. But hey, he'll get his money. Wishing you many loses and lots of $$$ Doom.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:54 PM   #28
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Sucks that we cant get nothing for him
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:55 PM   #29
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. Nice! Probably true, but if everything goes as planned and we are playing with a lead most games, guys will get a lot of opportunities to get to the QB. I know Ayers didn't get a lot of time on the field last season, but I am kinda high on him this year. Like other posters have mentioned. Rio liked him coming out of Ten. Lets see if Rio can get the most out of him.
Ayers has shown occasional flashes over the last few years, so there is a bit of hope there. Of course it would be just our luck for him to wait until the last year of his rookie contract to actually play like a first rounder and register double digit sacks.
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I'll be surprised if he ever reaches 12-15 in a season the rest of his career. Hes not trying to be a team guy. Doesn't he have enough $$$? Let the guy go to lower tier team that has no shot at a SB. But hey, he'll get his money. Wishing you many loses and lots of $$$ Doom.
This is BS. Doom should try and get his money. His value to others will be greater than his value to us.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:59 PM   #31
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I'll be surprised if he ever reaches 12-15 in a season the rest of his career. Hes not trying to be a team guy. Doesn't he have enough $$$? Let the guy go to lower tier team that has no shot at a SB. But hey, he'll get his money. Wishing you many loses and lots of $$$ Doom.
You're funny. Why would he go to a lower tier team when plenty of contenders will be interested in his services?

And if it makes you feel better to tell yourself a guy who just had an 11 sack season isn't ever going to get 12 or more sacks in a season again, good for you. We all have stories we tell ourselves to make life easier to deal with.
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for a guy making 12 mil a year a garbage sack and sacking quinn is the best we got
This^....

For all the love Doom gets on here (I like him, but realize this is a business) it amazes me there aren't more great plays making the list.


And what if that $$$$ saved by his release brings in a solid DT, or a very good S, or a MLB that can remind us of Al Wilson, or some other player who helps us win a title?
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:05 PM   #33
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We can get better players for the money we save by cutting Doom.

I'm not upset.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:06 PM   #34
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You're funny. Why would he go to a lower tier team when plenty of contenders will be interested in his services?

And if it makes you feel better to tell yourself a guy who just had an 11 sack season isn't ever going to get 12 or more sacks in a season again, good for you. We all have stories we tell ourselves to make life easier to deal with.
I'm sure he's capable of getting 11 sacks...but just as some say Von's totals will suffer without Doom, how many of Doom's 11 sacks were due to teams more concerned with Von?

The issue the Broncos probably have is that they signed him to a lot of $$$ to get 17 sacks a year (or close to it)...the total that netted him that huge contract and he has come nowhere near that total since.

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Old 03-11-2013, 07:07 PM   #35
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:10 PM   #36
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We can get better players for the money we save by cutting Doom.

I'm not upset.
That's really not true when you realize only ~8 million of his ~13 million cap space is going to be freed up by cutting him. But Bowlen will save around 5 million this year if it makes you feel better.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:11 PM   #37
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They just better have someone in the works that can take the double teams away from Von....or they just screwed the pooch to save money!
Agree with this; I'm withholding judgement until we see the full plan unfold. Hopefully we cut Doom specifically to sign player X, whomever that might be.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:12 PM   #38
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Jimmy the Greek.

In all seriousness a rookie at 28th isn't coming in with 12-15 sacks 6 FFs and multiple QB rushing into mistakes. Win now is supposed to mean putting the best possible players on the field for manning. The window isn't open for long.

Nothing that hunter and ayers have shown me to think otherwise.
You are not viewing his stats right. The production value of Doom is 1.09. There are three FAs out there with higher PV then that JA at 1.37, Cliff Avril at 1.21 and M. Bennett at 1.68. Osi is close at .812 he might be higher cause I doubt he started all 16 games. Israel Idonije is at .875 as well. That is what are goal should be replace.
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Then cheer up! Turns out we CAN get nothing for him!
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:16 PM   #40
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I'm sure he's capable of getting 11 sacks...but just as some say Von's totals will suffer without Doom, how many of Doom's 11 sacks were due to teams more concerned with Von?

The issue the Broncos probably have is that they signed him to a lot of $$$ to get 17 sacks a year (or close to it)...the total that netted him that huge contract and he has come nowhere near that total since.
I personally don't think Doom or Miller need each other all that much to be honest. Dumervil was getting sacks for us for years with no one on the other side, and Miller was racking them up back when Doom was injured. Both will be productive regardless. The problem for me is that I just don't see us getting better through all of this. 8 million dollars isn't all that much when you are trying to improve a team that no longer has its second best pass rusher.
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Agree with this; I'm withholding judgement until we see the full plan unfold. Hopefully we cut Doom specifically to sign player X, whomever that might be.
They will sign said player BEFORE they cut doom. His salary doesn't hit until Saturday. Broncos have the edge in this.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:22 PM   #42
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Then cheer up! Turns out we CAN get nothing for him!
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:23 PM   #43
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That's really not true when you realize only ~8 million of his ~13 million cap space is going to be freed up by cutting him. But Bowlen will save around 5 million this year if it makes you feel better.
Bowlen "saves" the salary he doesn't have to pay Doom, which is $12 million this coming season. That's the cash part. The cap savings is $13.62 million less $4.87 million in dead money for a net of $8.75 million.
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They will sign said player BEFORE they cut doom. His salary doesn't hit until Saturday. Broncos have the edge in this.
So the question then becomes what if they don't land the guy(s) they are targeting? Do they then pursue a restructure deal? And will he still be open to it?
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Bowlen "saves" the salary he doesn't have to pay Doom, which is $12 million this coming season. That's the cash part. The cap savings is $13.62 million less $4.87 million in dead money for a net of $8.75 million.
One way or the other Bowlen saves lots of money. Yay!!!
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:29 PM   #46
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I'm officially the jersey curse for this team: Atwater (the year before he went to the Jets), Sharpe (2 years before he went to Baltimore), Cutler (year before his daddy turned in his playbook), Royal (2 years before going to SD), and now Doom (I've had his for 3 years. Thought I might be safe. Nope!), From now on it's only Dennis Smith and Al Wilson jerseys for me... and I apologize to their families in advance if they suddenly drop dead out of the blue.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:31 PM   #47
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I'm officially the jersey curse for this team: Atwater (the year before he went to the Jets), Sharpe (2 years before he went to Baltimore), Cutler (year before his daddy turned in his playbook), Royal (2 years before going to SD), and now Doom (I've had his for 3 years. Thought I might be safe. Nope!), From now on it's only Dennis Smith and Al Wilson jerseys for me... and I apologize to their families in advance if they suddenly drop dead out of the blue.



Please get a joe mays jersey.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:34 PM   #49
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Strip sack that Carter returned for a TD

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