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Old 03-10-2013, 07:59 PM   #51
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Getting rid of a top 10 pass rusher helps us win a Superbowl how exactly
It doesn't, but people will defend it anyway.

Funny, everyone has a whipping boy for the playoff loss, and the one guy that wasn't mentioned, is the one about to walk.

Man, if they let Doom walk, we're no better than KC, as far as organizations go.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:01 PM   #52
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Getting rid of a top 10 pass rusher helps us win a Superbowl how exactly
Well if you can land a top 5 WR or a top 2 CB in his place and still add a top 10 pass rusher then it does. Abraham with Welker or Revis is better.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:01 PM   #53
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There is no way to get "onboard" with losing Dumervile.

It's a money move no matter how you cut it, with a team that isn't in a position where they need to make such a move.

This is a team on the verge on winning it all, and thus should be looking for pay a little extra to ensure it.

In the end it's all a busniess, and really we shouldn't be surprised that the team wants to save a little and put a championship in jeopardy because of it.

I'm sure Elway and the rest of the front office will be more than glad to explain how an elite pass rusher like Doom was expendable while we spend the next 10 years trying to replace him.

Par for the ****ing course.
In fairness i don't understand this sort of tight-fistedness either when we're trying to win a damn ring. This isnt a rebuild, the time for that was two years back.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:04 PM   #54
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Well if you can land a top 5 WR or a top 2 CB in his place and still add a top 10 pass rusher then it does. Abraham with Welker or Revis is better.
lol, Abraham + Revis would cost at least twenty million this year. you think we're going to do that?
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I'm still not entirely sure the Broncos would look somewhere else for a DE if we cut Doom. I think Fox and Elway really like Hunter and Ayers. I would totally skip on Freeney. Osi is still pretty good, it would depend on how much we have to pay him. I think Ayers has been playing better of late and he could be ready for his break through season. And let's not for about Jackson. The guy has the prototype NFL DE body at 6'5 280. I saw some good things out of him last preaseason so in his 2nd year let's hope he can really step up.

On a side note, I think if we signed Revis, you could potentially see more blitzes by the Broncos. With Champ and Revis locking down guys, you have more freedom to blitz a safety.
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lol, Abraham + Revis would cost at least twenty million this year. you think we're going to do that?
Not with Doom on the books so you are right there. Yes I think Denver is going to spend cash.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:11 PM   #58
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I love this site. The only person here with a legit source is a player's dad, but that doesn't stop everyone here from believing everything else they read and taking it as a gospel.
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We're also shipping DJ...that's a lot of money off the board
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We're also shipping DJ...that's a lot of money off the board
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There is no need to spend that kind of cash with Revis while losing Dumvervil.

There are other, more cost effective options, at CB.

It just doesn't make sense to trade Elvis, and less to cut him.

Honestly, after more than a decade (and really still ongoing) of trying to secure a solid pass rush and defensive line, how any fan can be ok with losing Dumervil. Blows the mind really. Players like are the most valuable on a defense and you don't just let them walk away.

In all honesty, I can only hope that this whole affair is just posturing on both sides. There is absoluetly no reason Dumervil should not be a member of the Broncos heading into next season.

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I think a forced fumble is worth more than a sack. Dumervil had 6 of them last season. That's pretty dam good. Sack totals go down when there's someone else on the team eating them up. The year he got 17, who else on the broncos had several sacks?

The fact teams account for him and QBs make mistakes because of him is hard to replace with a rookie or has been.

I'm confident a deal will get done.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:27 PM   #63
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If he's not willing to restructure his gigantic contract, I'm not really sure what the organization can do. His contract is too big for a situational 10 sack guy, who's best in a 3-4. I'd prefer they trade him, rather than cut him outright, but again, if he won't redo his contract, what can you do?
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If he's not willing to restructure his gigantic contract, I'm not really sure what the organization can do. His contract is too big for a situational 10 sack guy, who's best in a 3-4. I'd prefer they trade him, rather than cut him outright, but again, if he won't redo his contract, what can you do?
The organization can't do anything. Doom holds all the cards in this situation.

The team won't cut him outright.

Funny how we spent a season as a 3-4 where Doom excelled no doubt, and now all of a sudden on a team with a historical deficieny in finding pass rushers he's expendable because he only gets 10 sacks a year.

The problem I have is that the team doesn't need to renegotiate his deal at all. It goes down in value after next year and every year thereafter. This is nothing more than a penny pinching move on a player and in a position that is a premium in the NFL.

But hey, trade him for an player (and a blue chip prospect) coming off a serious injury and just call it a day. Never mind that that player will want a contract, salary, and cap hit that would FAR exceed what Dumervil is now. Yeah, don't pay attention to any of that.
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Sounds like he will be released in the next 48 to 72 hrs.

thats the early word out of Dove valley.
I sure hope your the same dude who was trying to "long dick" some broad at Dove Valley to get a look at the phone records because he was always wrong.

I think Doom is overpaid but I also think he makes things easier for Von to get to the QB. When Doom is not on the field in passing downs Von doesn't seem to get to the QB as often, I sure hope I am wrong about that.

I don't think signing an old Freeney to a 1 or 2 year deal would be as smart as keeping our best drafted LM in most of the Liberal Kiddes life times.

I got a feeling that money wise this isn't about this year but the next 2 years when the CAP and contracts get interesting.

Also if Manning really wants a SB why doesn't he do what John did and offer to take a couple mill less over the next couple years? He is making a killing on endorsements, he got his 100 mil contract, we showed him respect, now show us you want a ring!
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The organization can't do anything. Doom holds all the cards in this situation.

The team won't cut him outright.

Funny how we spent a season as a 3-4 where Doom excelled no doubt, and now all of a sudden on a team with a historical deficieny in finding pass rushers he's expendable because he only gets 10 sacks a year.

The problem I have is that the team doesn't need to renegotiate his deal at all. It goes down in value after next year and every year thereafter. This is nothing more than a penny pinching move on a player and in a position that is a premium in the NFL.

But hey, trade him for an player (and a blue chip prospect) coming off a serious injury and just call it a day. Never mind that that player will want a contract, salary, and cap hit that would FAR exceed what Dumervil is now. Yeah, don't pay attention to any of that.
Can't cut him? opps read that wrong.

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Don't you take IAOFM pretty seriously, bro?
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There is no need to spend that kind of cash with Revis while losing Dumvervil.

There are other, more cost effective options, at CB.

It just doesn't make sense to trade Elvis, and less to cut him.

Honestly, after more than a decade (and really still ongoing) of trying to secure a solid pass rush and defensive line, how any fan can be ok with losing Dumervil. Blows the mind really. Players like are the most valuable on a defense and you don't just let them walk away.

In all honesty, I can only hope that this whole affair is just posturing on both sides. There is absoluetly no reason Dumervil should not be a member of the Broncos heading into next season.

Well 1st off - what I don't think you understand, or at the least you are forgetting, is that sacking the QB happens different ways. Sometimes you just get there super fast and you get the sack. Other times the coverage is so good the QB has to take an extra second or 2 and look around the field and sacks occur that way also. The DL and the secondary go hand in hand in the sack game. You can't just say it's all the DL talent getting the job done. Ever ponder the thought that we had alot of sacks last year because Miller and Doom plus the secondary played well for much of the season.

And the league is changing - you don't see a ton of 5 and 7 step QB drops. You have 3 and 4 guys in routes all the time and alot of quick hitting stuff. I'll argue that an elite CB is every bit as important as an elite pass rusher. Espeically a guy like Revis who plays physical and can really disrupt the routes, but can also just play blanket coverage. He can really mix it up. If Doom got his sacks and was really good against the run, I could see more reason for argument. But he's not good against the run. He's undersized and gets wore down faster. He's a RUSHING SPECIALIST. He's literally almost a liability on run downs. You can't pay a guy 12 million for being a lagit force on passing downs only. And let's not just say sacks are the end all be all. A defensive player can impact a game several ways. Just look at how many balls Watt batted down. Those were huge plays but because they're not sacks, it's not a sexy stat. We can get somebody to give us what Doom gave us last year. I don't think there's another CB out there that can give you what Revis gives you. Not in FA and not in the draft. Not somebody who can give the type of production he could next 2 seasons or so.
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First off I want Doom to stay a Bronco.

I'm thinking he will be cut now which makes me disappointed. Regardless to expect this never to happen in todays NFL with your team dream on. Its part of the business fans need to accept the reality fav big name players will get cut like it or not.

I'll wait and see all our moves this offseason what I think of year 2 in Manning era.
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You're also wrong.

Doom and his agent also agree. He's willing to move money around, but he's not willing to take a paycut. And he wants a resolution by the start of free agency. Why? Because he knows that whatever money the Broncos don't give him someone else will. The agent is paid to make sure he gets his cash--they would take a paycut from the Broncos if the open market wouldn't give him at least what he's making now.
We will see.
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I got a feeling that money wise this isn't about this year but the next 2 years when the CAP and contracts get interesting.
Yeah, but Dooms cap hit diminishes every year starting from next season. So your reasoning doesn't make sense at all.

And if they want to get a guy like Revis, well, his cap hit in the future will be significantly more than Doom's would ever be. So it doesn't make sense.
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No, it's really not. Guy who get to the QB get paid.

In all honesty, I don't see what the problem is. Take Doom away, and Von's production will decline. They complimant each other. In the limited window we have with Manning, just pay Doom and work towards a Super Bowl.

Oh, that's right. My mistake, as I though the front office would have winning a championship more important than saving a few dollars on a critical player's salary. My bad.

The problem here is that fans want and expect a Super Bowl. Mangement just wants cheaper returns, and players just want to get paid. That's how we the fans don't fit into the equation. Our expectations are not the same.

Vonn Helps Doom- They don't Compliment each other.

If Doom was pushing the pocket then Vonn might be getting some help but that is not what he is doing he is speed rushing from the opposite side.
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FYI- If Dumervil is really worth the cash then we will be able to trade him and won't have to cut him.


I am not a big fan of this move.
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Yeah, but Dooms cap hit diminishes every year starting from next season. So your reasoning doesn't make sense at all.

And if they want to get a guy like Revis, well, his cap hit in the future will be significantly more than Doom's would ever be. So it doesn't make sense.
I didn't know that obviously. Is it a big reduction or just marginal? I am guessing they want to get him down to 8Mil or less. going to bed so I am not looking it up.
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