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Old 03-08-2013, 01:22 PM   #226
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You're confusing his playing abilities with money. I will say it again, I like Doom...want him to stay. But paying this sort of money for exactly what you said, a sack specialist, isn't smart business. The money that would be saved by releasing him (I will say again, I really hope this doesn't happen) would go a long way to making smarter financial moves with not much impact I would bet.

Maybe I am wrong, I am just saying...there are probably 3 guys on the team that aren't expendable. Maybe 4 tops. Outside of Manning and Miller it could be a good debate honestly.

The defensive cornerstone here, isn't Doom, despite what people seem to think. He's a complimentary player IMO.
The next obnoxious contract will be Von's and he will break the bank, cause like you said he's the cornerstone not Doom.
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:27 PM   #227
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Exactly, If Denver cuts Doom for his salary they better make some huge FA acquisitions that they could not have made. I'm talking Mike Wallace, Percy Harvin type top shelf players. Because Doom and NE makes just too much sense.
Well put. If we cut Doom for a little extra Bowlen Scotch Fund slush, things are gonna get real up in the OM.
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:40 PM   #228
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Well put. If we cut Doom for a little extra Bowlen Scotch Fund slush, things are gonna get real up in the OM.
I just don't understand the logic of releasing him and getting zero in return. When we get good players we don't want to pay them? id rather have great players getting their money than a roster full of rookies has beens and what ifs.


I'm starting to believe that when dumervil a contract was made they thought the TV deals would sky rocket the cap 30-50 million

Anyone know what Von or Wolfes production was when Dumervil wasn't on the field?

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Old 03-08-2013, 01:51 PM   #229
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Really it's shocking to see you agree with the writers of IAOFM.
What do you disagree with?
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:53 PM   #230
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If they are going straight for the pay cut this is over. Doom is out of here. And good ridance. Get the **** away as you can from a team that paid you pennies for 4 great years to start your career, only to sign you to a contract extension and then want to tear it up while you are still keeping your end of the bargain. I am in the build through the draft strategy. But unless we are keeping the talent we are developing it's for naught. If Doom is gone, and God for bid, Von gets injured, this defense will turn to ****.
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Old 03-08-2013, 02:08 PM   #232
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Based on some of the logic in this thread, just about every one of these guys should get cut.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/...defensive-end/
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Old 03-08-2013, 02:08 PM   #233
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Old 03-08-2013, 02:08 PM   #234
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What do you disagree with?
Well I don't think it is as cut and dry as they are making it out to be. Also that it is impossible for both sides to reach a deal and the idea that the ONLY reason it's in the media means that the talks are ugly is foolish.
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If they are going straight for the pay cut this is over. Doom is out of here. And good ridance. Get the **** away as you can from a team that paid you pennies for 4 great years to start your career, only to sign you to a contract extension and then want to tear it up while you are still keeping your end of the bargain. I am in the build through the draft strategy. But unless we are keeping the talent we are developing it's for naught. If Doom is gone, and God for bid, Von gets injured, this defense will turn to ****.
I have a good solution I think....if we think these next couple years are our best chance to win a title then just restructure with him right now...don't make him take a pay cut. Push the money back a couple years to give us cap room now and then after this season or next season when he has a high cap number re-evaluate where you are at as a team and either cut him or keep him and pay him then.
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I have a good solution I think....if we think these next couple years are our best chance to win a title then just restructure with him right now...don't make him take a pay cut. Push the money back a couple years to give us cap room now and then after this season or next season when he has a high cap number re-evaluate where you are at as a team and either cut him or keep him and pay him then.
You have to pony up on the guarantees though. They're not retarded. You don't trade away all your leverage now for a 'maybe' 3 years down the road.
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Right? And he doesn't say dumb ****, and isn't over the top on opinions in either direction.
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You have to pony up on the guarantees though. They're not retarded. You don't trade away all your leverage now for a 'maybe' 3 years down the road.
Right, maybe they get him to come a little more their way this year on the guarantees, then more his way the next couple years. At least we get this year out of him.
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Well I don't think it is as cut and dry as they are making it out to be. Also that it is impossible for both sides to reach a deal and the idea that the ONLY reason it's in the media means that the talks are ugly is foolish.
I don't know, call me a cynic but it doesn't look good. I have very little confidence that Doom ends up a Bronco next season. Hope I'm wrong.
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Old 03-08-2013, 02:41 PM   #241
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I just don't understand the logic of releasing him and getting zero in return. When we get good players we don't want to pay them? id rather have great players getting their money than a roster full of rookies has beens and what ifs.


I'm starting to believe that when dumervil a contract was made they thought the TV deals would sky rocket the cap 30-50 million

Anyone know what Von or Wolfes production was when Dumervil wasn't on the field?
I don't either but he has to be cut or traded by the 16th I believe. Maybe teams are just waiting for him to be cut.
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:04 PM   #246
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Not really, I really believe that if it came down to it we would release him and save some cheddar. Sure, I would love him to stay but he's expendable.
And then he signs with another team and more than likley, makes more than what he's currently slated. How is that a loss for anyone other than the Broncos?
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:06 PM   #247
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Elway said a week ago, "We're not trying to restructure anybody." In the literal sense, I guess that was true.
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:10 PM   #248
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I may have wanted Revis, but I would not advise outright cutting Doom..
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:20 PM   #249
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Are you dooms agent or something? Good Lord dude
You "don't see teams breaking the bank" for a top 10 pass rusher. I don't need to be Doom's agent to think you are an idiot.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:52 PM   #250
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Elway is starting to feel some heat, IMO. Others may disagree, but if you pay a guy $40 million in two years to QB your team, you better find a way to win a Lombardi. Going one and done the first year of $40 million puts some massive pressure on year two.
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